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Am I Norml
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i truly hate to sound like a newb but im seriously considering chopping early because we are having a drought around here right now and no one has anything or can get anything ... fuckin DTF has warrants out everywhere and has everyone terrified but me i think... shit if they all just learned how to keep their mouths shut they wouldnt have to worry lol
EdGreyfox
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Hi Guys,
I went ahead and repotted 3 of my 6 today. Well, not repotted exactly. I just pulled them out and added enough soil to the bottoms/sides of the pot to fill it back to the full 5 gallons once my girls were back in. All of them had roots coming out the bottom and running into the sides of the pot, so my guess that the roots had started to run out of space to grow in seems to be confirmed. I also took advantage of the situation to reorient the plants so that they were coming up out of the soil a bit straighter, though that was mostly for esthetic reasons. I'm going to watch them for the next few days and if the react well I will probably go ahead and replant the other 3, then plan to do the same with my new plants before they move into the flowering room.
Riddle,
If you want any DJ short blueberry clones let me know. My second grow is coming along like gangbusters and I'm going to be taking some clones off the plants next week before moving them into flowering, and I'd be happy to cut and root a couple if you're ready to start a new grow/strain.
I went ahead and repotted 3 of my 6 today. Well, not repotted exactly. I just pulled them out and added enough soil to the bottoms/sides of the pot to fill it back to the full 5 gallons once my girls were back in. All of them had roots coming out the bottom and running into the sides of the pot, so my guess that the roots had started to run out of space to grow in seems to be confirmed. I also took advantage of the situation to reorient the plants so that they were coming up out of the soil a bit straighter, though that was mostly for esthetic reasons. I'm going to watch them for the next few days and if the react well I will probably go ahead and replant the other 3, then plan to do the same with my new plants before they move into the flowering room.
Riddle,
If you want any DJ short blueberry clones let me know. My second grow is coming along like gangbusters and I'm going to be taking some clones off the plants next week before moving them into flowering, and I'd be happy to cut and root a couple if you're ready to start a new grow/strain.
EdGreyfox
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Just some food for thought here. Apparently the owner of the dispensary I've started going to is a horticulturist and has his degree in botany or something similar, and he and i got talking about the size of the pots you should use. Unlike most of the folks on this site he believes that a 5 gallon pot is too small to grow MMJ in unless you are keeping the plants under 3 ft. His logic is that the plant will only reach it's true potential if it has plenty of room for root growth, and that 1 gallon per foot of height is a bad measuring stick. His suggestion was to upgrade to either 8 or 10 gallon pots that are at least 18" wide and 18" at the top so that they roots have 9" to spread in every direction to grow plants up to 5-6ft in height. The pot he used as an example was around 20' wide by about 20" tall, so I took that to mean that you also need to have about the same amount of depth for root growth as well.
Anyway, what are your thoughts? I know putting a plant into a pot thats too big for it early on is a bad idea, but it makes logical sense that a 4-6 foot plant is going to need more space then a 5 gallon pot provides to ensure healthy roots and solid growth. The major drawback I see is that larger pots means a larger footprint, and fewer plants under each light. There's also the issue of needing to transplant more often, since It seems to me you would move from a clone to a 3-5 gallon pot, then transplant up to the 8-10 gallon pot around 2 ft of growth (right before flowering).
Anyway, what are your thoughts? I know putting a plant into a pot thats too big for it early on is a bad idea, but it makes logical sense that a 4-6 foot plant is going to need more space then a 5 gallon pot provides to ensure healthy roots and solid growth. The major drawback I see is that larger pots means a larger footprint, and fewer plants under each light. There's also the issue of needing to transplant more often, since It seems to me you would move from a clone to a 3-5 gallon pot, then transplant up to the 8-10 gallon pot around 2 ft of growth (right before flowering).
riddleme
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Well I have seen some really big trees in 5 gallon pots
My take is that most growers do not allow MJ to get as big as it could if vegged "properly" ie; growing from clones and vegging for 3 to 5 weeks before flipping
It seems to me (from my experience) that MJ will thrive where ever it can ie; the shotglass grows, the party cup grows. It can and will get root bound sure but it takes awhile like Matilda going for 7 weeks into flower in that 6" coir pot before becoming rootbound, granted she was only 21" tall but my point is pot size is all about how we grow and how we train em
what your guy said would be true if you were going for solid trees, but if your going for controlled/trained plants then it would seem redundant to me to have huge pots
My take is that most growers do not allow MJ to get as big as it could if vegged "properly" ie; growing from clones and vegging for 3 to 5 weeks before flipping
It seems to me (from my experience) that MJ will thrive where ever it can ie; the shotglass grows, the party cup grows. It can and will get root bound sure but it takes awhile like Matilda going for 7 weeks into flower in that 6" coir pot before becoming rootbound, granted she was only 21" tall but my point is pot size is all about how we grow and how we train em
what your guy said would be true if you were going for solid trees, but if your going for controlled/trained plants then it would seem redundant to me to have huge pots
EdGreyfox
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Riddle,
Good points. I'm not sure how much of the slowed growth in my current grow was due to the problems I had a few weeks back with the mites and how much was because the pots only had about 2.5 gallons of soil in them, so a 5 gallon may be fine for most grows that aren't going too big. I think I'm going to want to add at least a couple of large pots though, because now that I'm going to be doing my own clones I just may start growing some real trees. As long as I'm starting another 2 into the perpetual grow cycle every two weeks there's no reason why I shouldn't start a third, put it on a really long grow schedule (say 5-6 months), then fim/top it a few times to see just what I can accomplish.
Good points. I'm not sure how much of the slowed growth in my current grow was due to the problems I had a few weeks back with the mites and how much was because the pots only had about 2.5 gallons of soil in them, so a 5 gallon may be fine for most grows that aren't going too big. I think I'm going to want to add at least a couple of large pots though, because now that I'm going to be doing my own clones I just may start growing some real trees. As long as I'm starting another 2 into the perpetual grow cycle every two weeks there's no reason why I shouldn't start a third, put it on a really long grow schedule (say 5-6 months), then fim/top it a few times to see just what I can accomplish.
Civil.Dis0bedience
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damn ok well im going to include pics of how my plants looked just two days ago when they were healthy. My closet got pretty hot the other day in low 90's. Thats my first educated guess on whats wrong. One of my tallest plants leaves started drooping this morning. Then after checking it again about 6 hours later theyre drooping WAY more! Now even some of the other plants are drooping! On other plants the big lower leaves are almost completely yellow and just yesterday where green!! I'm very disapointed as i thought i had everything going pretty good up till now. 4 black jacks and 5 mystery strains and theyre all showing unhappiness today. Like i said these pics are from about 4 days ago just hoping maybe you'll see something bad starting to develop?..or maybe just have an idea of the problem from the info i gave. either way i'll post pics of the situation tonight when my buddy gets over with the camera. I hope these plants are not dying and can be saved! 
Civil.Dis0bedience
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sorry forgot the pics..
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jumboSWISHER
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civil honestly from wut you said it sounds to me that ur plants are just plain thirsty..
when wus the last time you watered??
the strain im working with at the moment will completely go from perky to droopy ina bout 2-3 hours when thirsty
when wus the last time you watered??
the strain im working with at the moment will completely go from perky to droopy ina bout 2-3 hours when thirsty
EdGreyfox
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Civil,
I don't see anything major wrong with them. You're going to have some of the older leaves yellow up and die as the plant ages because it's normal for the plant to "kill" old leaves that are no longer producing food for it. As long as it's only one or two and they are all older growth I wouldn't stress much. However, some of the pictures seemed to show some small yellowish pin prick spots on some of your leaves- if that's really what the pictures are showing then I would suggest you pull out the magnifying glass and check for spider mites or other pests (look on the underside of the leaves), since the marks they leave when munching on your plants look very similar.
Other then that I agree with swisher- they probably just need a drink.
I don't see anything major wrong with them. You're going to have some of the older leaves yellow up and die as the plant ages because it's normal for the plant to "kill" old leaves that are no longer producing food for it. As long as it's only one or two and they are all older growth I wouldn't stress much. However, some of the pictures seemed to show some small yellowish pin prick spots on some of your leaves- if that's really what the pictures are showing then I would suggest you pull out the magnifying glass and check for spider mites or other pests (look on the underside of the leaves), since the marks they leave when munching on your plants look very similar.
Other then that I agree with swisher- they probably just need a drink.
Civil.Dis0bedience
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Ok thanks guys. I feel like such a noob that they whole drooping problem was just them being thirsty. I guess i under estimated how quick the high temps could dry out my 1 gallon pots. Also under estimated how quickly these plants respond to certain things! I litteraly watched them almost die (are atleast appear that way) to being perky and happy again in just hours. Now im trying to adress the yellow leaves. I read alot about how to diagnose a plants problems and i think my main problem is i might have more than one problem. I got some plants that have the fairly uniform yellowing on the lower leaves. Then another plant is showing small brown spots. Then another is showing a different kind of discoloring on one of its leafs veins.
..oh man..while trying to post this i got an error about a security token?..i'll try to get the pics up as soon as i figure this out.
..oh man..while trying to post this i got an error about a security token?..i'll try to get the pics up as soon as i figure this out.
Civil.Dis0bedience
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Ha! yea riddle i admit i felt a lil foolish after finding out that was the problem. but you're right im glad i got to see my plants that way. I'm allready excited about my next grow and seeing how much i can improve over this one. Thanks for all the help as usual. You guys and Rollitup are awesome!Hey Civil
Yeah they were looking thirsty, glad ya got it figured out, keep us up to date on how they are doing, they are lookin good
nice exercise for ya learning to read em
Civil.Dis0bedience
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http://img245.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=cimg1894c.jpg
There are the pics. I was looking at that site riddle posted with the homemade ferts. And through my reading learned that most of the problems that cause yellowing leafs were adressed using the coffee grounds. think is will help these babies colors??
riddleme
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Just feed em a slight dose of veg nutes, I have never tried the coffee thing so can't say, but would guess that it will take a bit of time to see any thing positive from it.
Am I Norml
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OK guys time to teach a old dog a new trick...
here is the situation ...
built my new grow box and moved Girlz-Gone-Wild into her new home...
somewhere i stressed her too much and the damn skunk hermied BIG TIME so in order not to loose the weed i killed her way early
...5 weeks left to flower early.
.. she is drying all her popcorn buds now as we speak(man was it a bitch to manicure) but test buds smoked and got me hella high so guess it was destined to be pretty dank...nothing but popcorn tho but tons of it and 12 cola's about as big as a Bic lighter...
now i cloned her and the two clones i took off of her have been literally flowering their whole life but im trying to revert them back to vegg(they was taken durring vegg of original soon as she showed pre-flowers-female
but the clones sat in the flower box (mostly due to lack of space anywhere for them) the whole time during rooting and pre growing and now they are about 8 to 10 inches high and flowering a little
...
Ive re-vegged a plant a ton of times but never reverted one ever....someone toss me a clue here will ya guys im needing it bad ..
here is the situation ...
built my new grow box and moved Girlz-Gone-Wild into her new home...
somewhere i stressed her too much and the damn skunk hermied BIG TIME so in order not to loose the weed i killed her way early
...5 weeks left to flower early... she is drying all her popcorn buds now as we speak(man was it a bitch to manicure) but test buds smoked and got me hella high so guess it was destined to be pretty dank...nothing but popcorn tho but tons of it and 12 cola's about as big as a Bic lighter...now i cloned her and the two clones i took off of her have been literally flowering their whole life but im trying to revert them back to vegg(they was taken durring vegg of original soon as she showed pre-flowers-female
but the clones sat in the flower box (mostly due to lack of space anywhere for them) the whole time during rooting and pre growing and now they are about 8 to 10 inches high and flowering a little
...Ive re-vegged a plant a ton of times but never reverted one ever....someone toss me a clue here will ya guys im needing it bad ..
riddleme
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No different then re-vegging one, flip the lights to 18/6 or better and wait, could take up to 3 to 4 weeks to revert 100% back, nothing I know of to speed it up???OK guys time to teach a old dog a new trick...
here is the situation ...
built my new grow box and moved Girlz-Gone-Wild into her new home...
somewhere i stressed her too much and the damn skunk hermied BIG TIME so in order not to loose the weed i killed her way early
now i cloned her and the two clones i took off of her have been literally flowering their whole life but im trying to revert them back to vegg(they was taken durring vegg of original soon as she showed pre-flowers-female
but the clones sat in the flower box (mostly due to lack of space anywhere for them) the whole time during rooting and pre growing and now they are about 8 to 10 inches high and flowering a little
Ive re-vegged a plant a ton of times but never reverted one ever....someone toss me a clue here will ya guys im needing it bad ..
Am I Norml
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thanks man i know you would have the answer too bad i couldn't speed it up a little but those little plants all covered in buds is cool looking so ill have to be happy with that for a bit till they can get going again lol ... till then ill just be burping the jars my other plant made
riddleme
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we forgot the spiritual aspect of this plant. they are individuals, and as any galvanic meter will tell you, they have feelings
You say we??? But I know very well they have feelings and connecting to them on that level is in fact spiritual, so I would have to agree with you
I'm pretty sure smokin em does not piss em off, it is thier gift to us
EdGreyfox
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Now don't go getting all mystical on me, dammit. You've spent the whole thread warning against believing hype or any other claims that can't be verified, so don't start going off into metaphyics now bud. The "spiritual quality" may or may not exist, but until it can be documented and proven to increase plant growth any discussion of it belongs over in the philosophy forum. Don't get me wrong, I find a certain Zen quality in growing myself, but I have yet to see any proof that there is anything spiritual in nature that will effect my plants growth.