Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

[fdd2blk]

you may want to take the time to check your legal rights. it is more helpful than good spelling.

i'm not in any trouble. i'm well aware of my rights. have you seen my garden?

and i check my spelling.

 

[Dan Kone]

laughing, not hating.

You're just hating because you got burnt by Richard Lee. Now you're willing to support prohibition to make sure his ballot measure doesn't pass.

If you really hate Richard Lee so much you should support prop 19. The DEA is going to arrest him when prop 19 passes.

 

[UncleBuck]

um, i know all the details. i just chose not to share them all. you're making shit up now because of it.


you're so easy it's fun. and i am having fun.

i wager if the details all came out we'd find out he was illegally selling, or something to that effect. that is, if your story is actually REAL.

i once knew this one dude, i can't share all the details but he banged the police chief's wife and then bludgeoned the police chief with a branch from his 25 foot tall plant. he got away with it. i choose not to share all the details.

ain't the interwebz fun?

 

[Dan Kone]

it wont be a reason, but they still will search you... i dont care what anybody says... maybe in 2-4 years after this law has taken effect they may not search you but make no mistake that if this law changes that the cops are just gonna go with out resistance....

Evidence gathered based on the probable cause of cops claiming to smell marijuana will get thrown out in court. They'll have to stop.

 

[fdd2blk]

You're just hating because you got burnt by Richard Lee. Now you're willing to support prohibition to make sure his ballot measure doesn't pass.

If you really hate Richard Lee so much you should support prop 19. The DEA is going to arrest him when prop 19 passes.

richard lee is only one of many reasons, though you refuse to accept it. you have to keep going back to this because it's your simplest attempt at mocking me. pathetic dude. as pathetic as fucking someone over for a book. i see why you side with him.

 

[Dan Kone]

richard lee is only one of many reasons, though you refuse to accept it. you have to keep going back to this because it's your simplest attempt at mocking me. pathetic dude. as pathetic as fucking someone over for a book. i see why you side with him.

So much for your crusade against insults eh?

 

[fdd2blk]

i wager if the details all came out we'd find out he was illegally selling, or something to that effect. that is, if your story is actually REAL.

i once knew this one dude, i can't share all the details but he banged the police chief's wife and then bludgeoned the police chief with a branch from his 25 foot tall plant. he got away with it. i choose not to share all the details.

ain't the interwebz fun?

he was fully legal. growing in a warehouse under 2 scripts with the landlords permission. had less then 99 plants. running 4000 watts. the late night security dude saw him carry a tray of clones in and called the sheriff. the sheriff came with the dog and the dog sat down. the sheriff sat there until the warrant was served.


it must suck to have to address anything other that what you agree with. even though you feel otherwise you can't even address the reality of what happened. it happens all the time. enough that i really feel stupid even trying to convince you. where exactly do you live that you don't know of all this?


your maturity level in your story telling speaks volumes.

 

[fdd2blk]

So much for your crusade against insults eh?

what, did i hurt your feelings?


you all sure have a hard time paying attention. i thought this thread was about prop 19. seems all you all care about is me and my opinions.

 

[UncleBuck]

i'm done here for tonight.

does anyone care to faux-wager with me on margin of passage, the very thing that brought me to this thread?

i wager it passes by 5-6% points.

i bet 10 interwebz on it.

 

[Dan Kone]

i'm done here for tonight.

does anyone care to faux-wager with me on margin of passage, the very thing that brought me to this thread?

i wager it passes by 5-6% points.

i bet 10 interwebz on it.

I see your 10 interwebz and raise you an imaginary medical warehouse grow.

 

[UncleBuck]

he was fully legal. growing in a warehouse under 2 scripts with the landlords permission. had less then 99 plants. running 4000 watts. the late night security dude saw him carry a tray of clones in and called the sheriff. the sheriff came with the dog and the dog sat down. the sheriff sat there until the warrant was served.


it must suck to have to address anything other that what you agree with. even though you feel otherwise you can't even address the reality of what happened. it happens all the time. enough that i really feel stupid even trying to convince you. where exactly do you live that you don't know of all this?

so he was in compliance with 215 yet suffered due to poor and illegal law enforcement and you don't think he has full legal rights to seek recourse for his pain and suffering?

where exactly do you live where you don't understand the first amendment and rights enumerated therein?

NOW i'm done.

 

[fdd2blk]

i'm done here for tonight.

does anyone care to faux-wager with me on margin of passage, the very thing that brought me to this thread?

i wager it passes by 5-6% points.

i bet 10 interwebz on it.

i bet 10 dollars you can't pass a high school spelling test.

 

[fdd2blk]

so he was in compliance with 215 yet suffered due to poor and illegal law enforcement and you don't think he has full legal rights to seek recourse for his pain and suffering?

where exactly do you live where you don't understand the first amendment and rights enumerated therein?

NOW i'm done.

where did i ever say he couldn't seek recourse?

veering, ..................

seriously dude, wtf?

 

[fdd2blk]

see we were talking about searches.

i said "all it took for them to search my buddies was a dog".

now suddenly you are attacking me about my undisclosed opinion of recourse.


i'm here yanking chains. i think you are being serious.

i'd be embarassed about now.

 

[fdd2blk]

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[Dan Kone]

I know this one guy who opposes prop 19 because it'll interfere with his personal profits but he doesn't want to say that so he makes stuff up about prop 19 sending people to jail and taking away freedoms. It's pretty funny stuff.

 

[fdd2blk]

i pray prop 19 passes so i can sell all this weed to my sissy friends who hide it from their kids. now they can all drop their guilt, come out of the closet, and buy an ounce of my herb. instead of dime bags.

i'm still voting no.

if prop 19 passes more people will buy my glass. i would prefer to sell glass over pot any day.

i really miss welding. i already have a job lined up for the coming spring. i'm excited but worry about my bad back. it was pots fault i quit 3 years ago. my garden was DEMANDING too much of my attention. i would love to be able to ONLY have to to grow what i needed. the money really takes a lot out of it. adds drama that isn't needed. pot should be free to grow and free to give away. not to be taxed and controlled.

keep calling me simple though. it's the easiest way to defend your side.

 

[beardo]

dude, if this law passes everyone can do whatever they want.

cops won't be able to do a thing. and if they do you can sue them.

When you vote NO on PROP19, your voting NO to FULL legalization. I've noticed people(s) main problems with Prop 19 is it is a "fake" legalization & it's not "full" legalization. It is partial legalization so that mega-corps can profit & us independent growers will go under because we have certain restrictions. People feel as if these restrictions are pointless & only there to restrict us from making money & allow business' to make money.

WRONG. Restrictions are there for the benefit of the vote. In other words, imagine if Prop 19 stated this,
"Prop 19 legalizes marijuana in any amount of possession & any size of grow area, wherever the resident feels to grow on his/her own property is ok as long as it's on they're property. With Prop 19 you will be allowed to possess ANY amount of marijuana you feel is needed."

That sounds good for us right?

But what about conservatives & non-smokers. Do you think they will vote yes when they know that they're neighbor can now grow a field of marijuana in they're backyard & make the neighborhood a good "hit spot" for criminals. It creates danger for neighborhoods & residents. The first thing criminals (Real criminals) the ones that steal kids bikes at night, break into cars, etc. will scope out houses & find fields in backyards & break into the backyards to steal the crops. That brings danger to neighborhoods. At least with a restriction, there wont be fields for criminals to find as easily & they will see it as a waste of time to hit a house with a few plants, but would it be a waste of time if the house had an entire backyard of plants?

Sure, you may be saying, "Well, without restrictions, they can grow to, so they won't need to terrorize neighborhoods..."

WRONG. Criminals are criminals, they do what they do because they are addicted to crime. WHy grow when I can steal? That's the mentality most of them have. Not to mention, most of them are homeless or can't afford to grow. People can grow, just like people can buy cars, so why are cars getting stolen? Because stealing is easier & when you have a field of marijuana in your backyard or on your 10 acres, they will steal it. That's money & time saved for them.

Now imagine conservatives or non-smokers that want to vote yes because they want California to recover in this financial downfall. They aren't going to want to vote yes without restrictions because neighborhoods get more dangerous AND because what neighbor wants to see weed plants growing over his fence? Some neighbors have kids who play in the backyard, & kids (Like I was) look through fence holes, & will see marijuana being grown, conservatives don't want they're children exposed to marijuana at young ages. Not to mention the SKUNK smell the neighbors will have to put up with because John has 56 plants in his backyard of some straight grapes. Or what about BBQ's with the family... family comes over & sees the neighbor with weed plants growing all over, is that somewhere you want to spend the evening & bring your children? Is that something you want to smell? No. Not everyone is going to grow indoors, without restrictions people will grow INDOORS & OUTDOORS because it's more yield & profit.

These restrictions were put on to help conservative people & non-smokers to vote yes. Other wise they will see Prop 19 as complete anarchy & everyone will be "doped" out in they're minds.

The restrictions are to sway voters to go YES on 19. It was a tactical move not a flaw in Prop 19. Just like Arnold's bill was to sway voters away from Prop 19, a tactical move. How many people are really going to vote YES to legalize what they see as a "Drug" to the full extent? We need to take baby steps towards this thing. Sure Prop 19 isn't FULLY legalizing marijuana, but was medical marijuana fully legalizing it? No. But we all passed that. Medical was used to create a resume, it was used to create a background, it was used to gain credentials. It was used so when they decided to finally introduce a prop to legalize (Prop 19) it would make more sense to the public because the public would see, "Hey medical marijuana didn't really cause any harm... so let's go yes on 19..." without medical marijuana Prop 19 wouldn't stand a chance, it wouldn't exist right now.

This is why we need Prop 19 to go through because without it, what chance do we have to fully legalize in the future? We need 19 to show people we can be responsible with marijuana, that way in another few years we can introduce a new prop FULLY legalizing marijuana & people will be more prone to go yes because medical was a success, prop 19 was a success, so why not go yes on this new prop fully legalizing?

Without 19, how are we suppose to introduce a new prop in the future to go fully legal with no restrictions? We can't, because we don't have those statistics we can gather from 19, we don't have the "figures" showing how much it pulled California out of debt, we don't have anything other then "We want to smoke pot all day everyday" the way the public will see it. Medical marijuana was a baby step to partial legalization, Prop 19 is a baby step to finalizing legalization, & the next prop will be the final step to fully legalizing marijuana.

Right?

Who here can honestly say without medical marijuana passing in 1996, that we would be here today with Prop 19? Ask yourself the same question for the future, what chance do we stand if 19 fails?

If 19 fails, then next time we try to go legal, all those conservatives & non-smokers who voted YES last time, will certainly vote NO this time because they will remember Prop 19 & say to themselves, "It didn't even pass when they wanted it partially legal, why would we pass it to be fully legal?" Wake up people.

Yeah if we vote yes and it passes we can allways just say you voted yes and then if it sucks you can just explain that you didn't understand....then you click your heels 3 times and everything's cool again

 

[beardo]

Ever considered a career in law enforcement? .

If 19 passes maybe they'll be hiring more cops to inspect grows and more building code inspectors and fire code inspectors and tax collectors. We will need to build new prisons to house 18-21 year old marijuana offenders who become felons if 19 passes and marijuana is recriminalized

 

[Wheres my Chippy?]

Wowsers! This thread is still going, and I see its veered WAAAAY off course! haha

Damn, I just can't wait for it to fail miserably so this bickering can end!

Then we can finally all agree to an actual good bill that will pass without a hitch!