The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

bobbypyn

bobbypyn

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I defer to the great danish physicist Neils Bohr's words; "As I understand it, it works whether you believe in it or not." referring to superstition.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Carthoris said:
Half of the increase of tuition every year is simple inflation caused by our government. It's hard to believe people would be nice and just drop the price of their houses 150k too like has been happening due to a lack of demand in the last couple years. Lack of demand usually results in lower prices to increase demand by the suppliers.
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So you think if government stopped supplimenting college tuition the price would go down because demand to go to school would go down?

If that were true, which it's not, how the hell is having less Americans go to college a good thing? I guess the free market economic fans need more people to work in the sweatshops.

But that's not true. The demand for college education hasn't been going down since prices have been going up. Also half of college tuition increases aren't do to inflation. I know it's convenient for you to blame everything on the FED but that's a simpletons answer. It's also bullshit. College tuition has been going up 4x faster than inflation.
 
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Carthoris

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UncleBuck said:
it scares me that their votes count as much as ours. we may disagree, but at least we are based somewhere in the realm of reality.
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Yea, I always understand where you are coming from even when I strongly disagree. The two people in the video might as well of been scientologists. I really can't place myself in their shoes unless maybe I was brain washed or drugged.
 
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Carthoris

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Dan Kone said:
So you think if government stopped supplimenting college tuition the price would go down because demand to go to school would go down?

If that were true, which it's not, how the hell is having less Americans go to college a good thing? I guess the free market economic fans need more people to work in the sweatshops.

But that's not true. The demand for college education hasn't been going down since prices have been going up. Also half of college tuition increases aren't do to inflation. I know it's convenient for you to blame everything on the FED but that's a simpletons answer. It's also bullshit. College tuition has been going up 4x faster than inflation.
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I think if the government had not been supplementing college tuition that the prices would of never gotten to the level they are currently at to begin with. Are there any colleges which can not find students? Colleges have lots of demand for their services at current prices and are turning people down for admission. Much of this is because it is easy for students to borrow thousand and thousands of dollars from the government. If colleges couldn't fill their schools this year because they finally raised the price too high, do you know what would happen? Prices would go down.

The reason demand hasn't changed since the government keeps giving grants and loans to cover the increased cost of schooling the demand doesn't change.

Tuition is rising currently around 2x's the speed of inflation. That means half of the increase in cost every year is inflation and completely the feds fault. The other half is supply and demand. The Government is keeping demand high, if demand was less then supply then prices would drop. You didn't take business in school I take it?

Lowering demand and lowering the number of people going to college are not the same thing. In the business sense 'demand' doesn't mean how many people want something. It is more the number of people who want something at a certain price point. In this sense, if the government stopped throwing money like Bender from Futurama at the robot strip club after he purse snatched then people wouldn't be willing to dump as much money for the college. The colleges wouldn't leave classes empty, they would drop prices. The number of consumers wanting the product never changes, just the price they are willing to pay for it.

Keep in mind that the average prices that students pay for college has not actually kept up with the Consumer Price Index for the last 5 years. This means that most if not all of the increases are being paid by the government and the price for students on average isn't really changing. Almost as if the Government is purposely subsidizing colleges in the dark.
 
UncleBuck

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Carthoris said:
Yea, I always understand where you are coming from even when I strongly disagree. The two people in the video might as well of been scientologists. I really can't place myself in their shoes unless maybe I was brain washed or drugged.
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exactly. i can see why you argue what you argue for, even if i find it extreme.

leave it to a ron paul thread to bring out these guys with their freemasons and their lucifer and whatnot.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Carthoris said:
I think if the government had not been supplementing college tuition that the prices would of never gotten to the level they are currently at to begin with. Are there any colleges which can not find students? Colleges have lots of demand for their services at current prices and are turning people down for admission. Much of this is because it is easy for students to borrow thousand and thousands of dollars from the government. If colleges couldn't fill their schools this year because they finally raised the price too high, do you know what would happen? Prices would go down.

The reason demand hasn't changed since the government keeps giving grants and loans to cover the increased cost of schooling the demand doesn't change.

Tuition is rising currently around 2x's the speed of inflation. That means half of the increase in cost every year is inflation and completely the feds fault. The other half is supply and demand. The Government is keeping demand high, if demand was less then supply then prices would drop. You didn't take business in school I take it?

Lowering demand and lowering the number of people going to college are not the same thing. In the business sense 'demand' doesn't mean how many people want something. It is more the number of people who want something at a certain price point. In this sense, if the government stopped throwing money like Bender from Futurama at the robot strip club after he purse snatched then people wouldn't be willing to dump as much money for the college. The colleges wouldn't leave classes empty, they would drop prices. The number of consumers wanting the product never changes, just the price they are willing to pay for it.

Keep in mind that the average prices that students pay for college has not actually kept up with the Consumer Price Index for the last 5 years. This means that most if not all of the increases are being paid by the government and the price for students on average isn't really changing. Almost as if the Government is purposely subsidizing colleges in the dark.
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If the government stopped subsidizing colleges, the price wouldn't go down, the cost burden would just be shifted onto the students. The idea that they wouldn't be able to fill up enrollment if they lowered their prices while they are currently denying admissions is just lol.

All it would do is exclude people who can't afford college. I'm not sure how that is a good thing. I don't think you can fairly punish an 18 year old for not being able to afford college.
 
bobbypyn

bobbypyn

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I always thought weed made you have heightened perceptions till I got to know some people around here. if it weren't so sad it would be fucking hilarious...

it's going to be truly awesome when all you "too smart to fall for the ol belief in God trick" guys get smacked in the fucking face with 10" of limp reality; then it's gonna be "Oh save me Jebus, save me!" Eternity is a long ass time; choose your fate wisely.
 
bobbypyn

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sucks that I'm going to be one of only like 12 people in heaven that know how to grow killer herb. too bad this sense of camaraderie won't be coming with... weak.
 
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NoDrama

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Dan Kone said:
If the government stopped subsidizing colleges, the price wouldn't go down, the cost burden would just be shifted onto the students. The idea that they wouldn't be able to fill up enrollment if they lowered their prices while they are currently denying admissions is just lol.

All it would do is exclude people who can't afford college. I'm not sure how that is a good thing. I don't think you can fairly punish an 18 year old for not being able to afford college.
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LOL you ABSOLUTELY did not take a business class, EVER!! Not even a lowly High school basic econ class. IF government stopped subsidzing College by giving loans out to whomever asked for them I can GUARANTEE with 100% assurance that prices would drop. You obviously never heard of the 90/10 rule, or the law of supply and demand, you should read up on them, when you come back you will be in complete agreement with me and Cath.

Are you being punished because you cannot afford a Rolls Royce? Are you being punished because that $12 million mansion costs more than you can afford? Are you being punished because Harvard costs $30K a year?

EVERY SINGLE PERSON who gets a government loan to go to school, CANNOT AFFORD COLLEGE!!!!!!!! Why do you think they are taking out the loan?
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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NoDrama said:
LOL you ABSOLUTELY did not take a business class, EVER!! Not even a lowly High school basic econ class. IF government stopped subsidzing College by giving loans out to whomever asked for them I can GUARANTEE with 100% assurance that prices would drop. You obviously never heard of the 90/10 rule, or the law of supply and demand, you should read up on them, when you come back you will be in complete agreement with me and Cath.

Are you being punished because you cannot afford a Rolls Royce? Are you being punished because that $12 million mansion costs more than you can afford? Are you being punished because Harvard costs $30K a year?

EVERY SINGLE PERSON who gets a government loan to go to school, CANNOT AFFORD COLLEGE!!!!!!!! Why do you think they are taking out the loan?
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Really? You think I can't comprehend the idea that if the price goes up on something the demand lowers? GTFO

The real problem here is your simpleton logic. You can't seem to grasp that college prices aren't necessarily based on demand. Their is a huge excess of people who would like to attend college.

By making more expensive all you're doing is making it less likely for smart kids without a lot of money to go and more likely that less qualified kids go to college because they are well off and can afford it.

Or as you say, they can take loans. Bigger loans. Putting college grads deeper into debt is a good idea in your opinion? I thought you guys were supposed to be against debt?
 
londonfog

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Jesus got stopped in Arizona on a traffic stop and was deported once they checked his immigration status...WWJD ...well he should have applied for citizenship...
 
deprave

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PetFlora said:
I have supported RP every step of the way. I was shocked to see the words come out of his mouth "Israel is our friend" I am not talking your everyday blue collar jews, I am talking the Zionist jews who govern them and control politics around the world, including our own
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Israel is our friend according to history this is fact, maybe you disagree with some thing they have done as you should(they have committed horrible atrocities) but why should we intervene at all in their affairs? Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. I guess you think we should intervene?
 
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