The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

[sync0s]

Ron Paul is for gay equality, he is for equality for everyone. First, he would make it so everyone payed the same tax. Gay married, straight married, single, old and young. He would work to make sure every person is treated the same by the federal government. That is what equality is about. Why should the government have any say in marriage? They shouldn't. Marriage is a religious thing. This is Ron Pauls view on it.

[video=youtube;N9yMxIldwCc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9yMxIldwCc[/video]

Unfortunately, what most people don't catch is that if you give the federal government the right to regulate marriage whether it be for or against gay people is that in the future the peoples ideas will change again and maybe they will decide marriage is bad altogether and ban it, or so on. Some people might mock me for saying that could ever happen, but it could. Look at what the Soviet Union did to religion in their reign. Sure, I think people who go to church two or three times a week, knock on my door on Saturday morning, and tell me that the world is only a couple thousand years old are slow at best, but rounding up thousands of priests and bishops and murdering them and taking over all church property and bulldozing major churches is a bit of a stretch.

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are great examples of authoritarian governments. The more laws we add, and the more things we outlaw, the closer to that we get. How many laws does the federal government make a year? How many do they get rid of? It is easy to see which direction we are headed. Does anyone really see our government getting rid of laws and not making any more about things they shouldn't be involved in? Between the fed and the state governments you don't have the right to buy unprocessed milk or change your door without a permit and inspection. Yet, they keep 'raising standards' and making more laws. When will the day come when the people have absolutely no power over their own lives? No one really knows. We could change this, and stop what is happening. Ron Paul is the captain who could steer this ship around the storm we are headed towards.

Sometimes I realize I support things I would never allow in my own life and that I find disgusting. I can't imagine ever wanting a guy to ram my ass full of cock, and I can't imagine wanting my wife to have my child scraped out of her inside. That is my personal belief. However, I know my beliefs should not be forced on others and I would never want those rights taken from other people. Ron Paul has a war waging inside of him about abortion, because of his personal beliefs. However, if you look at his voting record he votes against bills he might morally agree with because they are against the constitution. While you might not agree with his beliefs, his actions speak more clearly. Ron Paul is uncompromised and votes against his beliefs if it is the right thing to do for liberty. He has a 30 year record of voting for liberty, who else can say that?

Passing a law that merely forces the government and the government only to recognize gay and straight marriage does not force any ideals on anybody. It, in my eyes, protects the rights of a minority of people. I agree, government shouldn't have any hand in personal or the business life of citizens, but a constitutional amendment allowing gay marriage as well would actually be constitutional because it would be a law that is merely set forth to restrict the government and actually frees the citizens much more. I understand his stance on privatizing, but not everything being privatized is constitutional. It's like saying we should haven't have added the 13th amendment and just allow slavery to determined by the private sector. Our government has one job, to defend the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of it's citizens, including the minority ones.

 

[budlover13]

@syncos: RP's position is that the government HAS no authority to "recognize" or make exceptions for married couples. Why is a married person entitled to more than a single person? i believe that is what he means. There's no need to recognize marriage, gay or straight.

 

[Carthoris]

Passing a law that merely forces the government and the government only to recognize gay and straight marriage does not force any ideals on anybody. It, in my eyes, protects the rights of a minority of people. I agree, government shouldn't have any hand in personal or the business life of citizens, but a constitutional amendment allowing gay marriage as well would actually be constitutional because it would be a law that is merely set forth to restrict the government and actually frees the citizens much more. I understand his stance on privatizing, but not everything being privatized is constitutional. It's like saying we should haven't have added the 13th amendment and just allow slavery to determined by the private sector. Our government has one job, to defend the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of it's citizens, including the minority ones.

The Constitution forbids the federal government from making any laws regarding marriage to begin with since marriage is by and by a religious institution. Any law which forbids or oks any sort of marriage is wrong. Once you get the idea that the government can grant you a right, it is expected they can remove that right. In this case the federal government has no right to give or take since the constitution does not specifically grant it to them to control.

I think my issue is that married couples enjoy any rights over single people or gay couples at all. Why should being married or having kids entitle you to special rights? If we move to remove the special privileges for marriage, it would make everyone a little more equal. I don't see how people will fight for gay marriage rights but ignore the fact that marriages are nothing more than two people agreeing to be together and that there should be nothing to be gained from that except being together in the first place. Gays are being treated as inferior by the federal government. Gay people are getting treated like single people. Does that mean single people are being oppressed also? Yep, it sure fucking does.

 

[Carthoris]

Dan I love the way you make it sound like I am jealous, LOL how American. Let's face it pal....you are just pissed cause I said what many are thinking, Americans are idiots for the most part, not all of them but boy your nation is colluded.

Although this is not just the Americans, it's the British too, they are all a bunch of idiots at times.

I am from South Africa but I live in the UK because my line of work demands that I am in London for various reasons. Growing up in SA I always looked at you guys and thought how cool life would be being in your shoes, I envied you... education was supposedly high, living standards high etc. the world was your oyster compared to suppressive SA, but then when I grew up and moved to a first world country (UK) and did plenty travelling across the US, Canada, most of Europe I began to realise that the "first world" part was a myth, a lie. Most people I spoke to had not even heard of my country, the ones who did wondered if we had planes yet or did I take an elephant taxi to the steam ship which brought me here, what sort off clothes did I wear in the wild.....this sort of absolute ignorance....it has not stopped and it has never stopped amazing me how beligerant most Americans and British people are. Now I am not saying ALL people are like this but I have witnessed with my own two eyes that there are many many like this which frankly is astounding by any account and may I make it clear that this was not experienced in small one horse towns but in cities!!

How can an adult not know where a country is on a map or a capital city etc.....these little things imply a lot, a lot more than at first glance....it underpins the reality that most westerners from the moment they are born are fed a daily diet of disinformation, propaganda and more importantly are systematically dumbed down for the purposes of mass control by the corporate/government collusion. Any way you slice it this is the only reality.

And before you say what about South Africa...well they are not exempt, trust me!! The only difference was that when I was growing up the western way was not as mainstream as it is now.

Look into "race specific biological weapons development" and you will see the true nature of a racist SA.

To talk bad about someone who doesn't know where South Africa is makes you sort of stupid. S Africa has a much lower literacy rate than first world countries that you are bashing. Obviously S Africa is in the south of Africa, if people didn't know that, then you were obviously talking to retards. On a map, I am willing to bet very few people in S Africa would do any better than your average American in pointing out small pointless countries on the world map. Does your average farm hand in S Africa know all the countries in alphabetical order and their locations on the globe?

Have you considered that maybe your experience in the 'first world' is jaded by your attitude towards those that live there? Perhaps the educated among us refused to even bother talking to you since your prejudice is so obvious.

The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.

 

[newworldicon]

To talk bad about someone who doesn't know where South Africa is makes you sort of stupid. S Africa has a much lower literacy rate than first world countries that you are bashing. Obviously S Africa is in the south of Africa, if people didn't know that, then you were obviously talking to retards. On a map, I am willing to bet very few people in S Africa would do any better than your average American in pointing out small pointless countries on the world map. Does your average farm hand in S Africa know all the countries in alphabetical order and their locations on the globe?

Have you considered that maybe your experience in the 'first world' is jaded by your attitude towards those that live there? Perhaps the educated among us refused to even bother talking to you since your prejudice is so obvious.

The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.

Nothing you say makes sense. Yes SA has a much lower literacy rate than first world countries but what does that prove in the context of what I am saying?? By saying I was talking to retards is absolutely correct and yet again I repeat, these were people from all walks of life including work colleagues in the interior architectural design field.

As for South Africans knowing the world around them...all I can say is when I was in high school we had many a kid from the UK and US who had come to our school who was shown very quickly to be behind in terms of all subjects of study and their progression.

Comparing the average farm hand in SA to an average person in the US *which is what you are doing in your statement* is ridiculous frankly...one thing is for sure though the rural African knows all too well what the cost of capitalism is!!

If you read my post thoroughly you would see that as a young person travelling the world including the States I had more than amicable feelings about the first world, so allow me to correct your assumption that I WAS or IS jaded by the first world.

I do not hate Americans or America, you are still the beacon that everyone looks to but there is no doubt that your people have unfortunately lost your way through no fault of your own. That still does not elude to the fact that the majority of the populous of the first world including Americans are NOT at the levels they are categorised at.

Europe is supposed to be the most affluent part of the world still, yet most families in countries like France and Italy to name two have to live together *3-4 generations* not because they choose to but because they have to, there is not enough wealth for them to have their own homes. And living in London where a lot of these young people flock to and having many friends from many different European countries who come here for a better life express these thoughts to me that they have lived and experienced first hand. I have seen this first hand myself.

In summary you sound like another American in denial about the truth of your situation as a whole.

Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the author of the letter my friend!!!

 

[budlover13]

i have been trying to get my whole family to get together and pool our resources. Their response? "I like my freedom." LOL! Vote for Ron Paul then!

 

[Carthoris]

This is a south park style cartoon about the federal reserve. It is a great lesson, and real funny too if you aren't so pissed off that you want to go murder every banker you can find that is.

[video=youtube;j69Ap4lndl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j69Ap4lndl0&feature=player_embedded#at=1719[/video]

 

[Carthoris]

Nothing you say makes sense. Yes SA has a much lower literacy rate than first world countries but what does that prove in the context of what I am saying?? By saying I was talking to retards is absolutely correct and yet again I repeat, these were people from all walks of life including work colleagues in the interior architectural design field.

As for South Africans knowing the world around them...all I can say is when I was in high school we had many a kid from the UK and US who had come to our school who was shown very quickly to be behind in terms of all subjects of study and their progression.

Comparing the average farm hand in SA to an average person in the US *which is what you are doing in your statement* is ridiculous frankly...one thing is for sure though the rural African knows all too well what the cost of capitalism is!!

If you read my post thoroughly you would see that as a young person travelling the world including the States I had more than amicable feelings about the first world, so allow me to correct your assumption that I WAS or IS jaded by the first world.

I do not hate Americans or America, you are still the beacon that everyone looks to but there is no doubt that your people have unfortunately lost your way through no fault of your own. That still does not elude to the fact that the majority of the populous of the first world including Americans are NOT at the levels they are categorised at.

Europe is supposed to be the most affluent part of the world still, yet most families in countries like France and Italy to name two have to live together *3-4 generations* not because they choose to but because they have to, there is not enough wealth for them to have their own homes. And living in London where a lot of these young people flock to and having many friends from many different European countries who come here for a better life express these thoughts to me that they have lived and experienced first hand. I have seen this first hand myself.

In summary you sound like another American in denial about the truth of your situation as a whole.

Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the author of the letter my friend!!!

You say people in the first world countries are ignorant, but then admit that your own countries people are not as educated. So why are you talking shit about everyone else because of their failings when your peoples failings are even worse? Do you not see the hypocrisy of that? Exactly who DON'T you dislike? Who is your shining example of a good country?

My country, America, has its failings. We have our good and bad points. The path we are going down is due to the deceit of those in power, and not the American people. A lot of my fellow Americans may be ignorant, but London, Uncle, and Dan are still my countrymen. I would give my life for them if need be, even though they don't believe in the same ideals as I do. You came to this discussion and bashed everyone. Do you think that you are better somehow? A lot of us KNOW what the problem is, and we are trying our best to solve the problem. Ron Paul understands the problem and wants to restore the Republic to what it once was. You seem to be saying America was once a great country - we are saying the same. There is a huge gap between the People and the Government in America. I did not particularly get that feeling in Europe. To be honest,most Americans don't give a fuck about any of you and just want to be left alone lest your diseased mental state contaminate us further.

 

[budlover13]

You say people in the first world countries are ignorant, but then admit that your own countries people are not as educated. So why are you talking shit about everyone else because of their failings when your peoples failings are even worse? Do you not see the hypocrisy of that? Exactly who DON'T you dislike? Who is your shining example of a good country?

My country, America, has its failings. We have our good and bad points. The path we are going down is due to the deceit of those in power, and not the American people. A lot of my fellow Americans may be ignorant, but London, Uncle, and Dan are still my countrymen. I would give my life for them if need be, even though they don't believe in the same ideals as I do. You came to this discussion and bashed everyone. Do you think that you are better somehow? A lot of us KNOW what the problem is, and we are trying our best to solve the problem. Ron Paul understands the problem and wants to restore the Republic to what it once was. You seem to be saying America was once a great country - we are saying the same. There is a huge gap between the People and the Government in America. I did not particularly get that feeling in Europe. To be honest,most Americans don't give a fuck about any of you and just want to be left alone lest your diseased mental state contaminate us further.

Cathoris. i believe they are simply pointing out the log in MOST Americans eyes. Not ALL, but they prevailing attitude that has led us to this point.

 

[Carthoris]

Anyone have a calendar of Ron Paul events or cities he will be speaking in? I am having a hard time finding one.

 

[deprave]

Well, About time for a break...for once there is not any major Ron Paul News to cover today as of 7:30PM thank god I need my sleep....all we have beside the video of pencil dick earlier talking smack is this 1.5 minute adam vs the man segment

[youtube][video=youtube;h0EqbtKwQbo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EqbtKwQbo[/video]


and then we have something that's a few days old which I missed, Yahoo Finance, Dr Paul talking bout the gold standard: http://finance.yahoo.com/video/companynews-18928726/ron-paul-s-1-fix-for-the-u-s-fiscal-crisis-25695490

also I missed this from the Today show, crappy interview: [video=youtube;Z2PjZ1akezg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2PjZ1akezg[/video]

 

[deprave]

oh yeah and on hannity, Dick morris, RP got second in his poll - his polls are always slanted so take it with a grain of salt...

[video=youtube;zWfg-OcHTe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWfg-OcHTe4[/video]


this guy thinks santorum is a tea party candidate lmao ... and that Ron Paul isn't .... is he from outer space or something? What planet is he living on currently?

 

[deprave]

spoke to soon, more RP Videos

RLC 2011 behind the scenes:

[video=youtube;sAb-XBlsH7Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAb-XBlsH7Y[/video]

 

[deprave]

Herman cain talks about how the FED SHOULDN'T BE AUDITED!!! ALL OF CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DISAGREE MR CAIN!

[video=youtube;pfyDpWZFfNE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfyDpWZFfNE[/video]

 

[deprave]

This video compilation shows Ron Paul stance on abortion and other issues, it shows that he backs the people consistently, In this video you will see Ron Paul going against both Pro-Life and Pro-Choice extremist, you will witness Ron Paul backing the people and most importantly REALITY consistently. You will witness Ron Paul voting in Favor of the working people, You will witness Ron Paul voting both for and against abortion measures.

[video=youtube;Lg22y0mS7t4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg22y0mS7t4[/video]

 

[budlover13]

Herman cain talks about how the FED SHOULDN'T BE AUDITED!!! ALL OF CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DISAGREE MR CAIN!

[video=youtube;pfyDpWZFfNE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfyDpWZFfNE[/video]

DAMN! You're FAST!

 

[deprave]

Nothing Major but that Covers today, herman cain, hannity, and dick morris are idiots who are not in touch with reality and Ron Paul consistently backing the people with more truth and honesty and promoting freedom while two media pundits attack and "praise" him simultaneously ...the usual...nothing major today...Hard to beat yesterday

 

[beardo]

I can't stand the Ron Paul hating Republicans and media. He is Electable and up in the polls and they continue to ignore and down play his candidacy and nay say him. He is the only one running right now that has a grasp of our problems and promotes policy that allows us the potential of solving them.

 

[budlover13]

I can't stand the Ron Paul hating Republicans and media. He is Electable and up in the polls and they continue to ignore and down play his candidacy and nay say him. He is the only one running right now that has a grasp of our problems and promotes policy that gives us the potential of solving them.

Shout it as loud and as far as you can Beardo. Gotta wake a few people up!

 

[Dan Kone]

Dan I love the way you make it sound like I am jealous, LOL how American. Let's face it pal....you are just pissed cause I said what many are thinking, Americans are idiots for the most part, not all of them but boy your nation is colluded.

Although this is not just the Americans, it's the British too, they are all a bunch of idiots at times.

I am from South Africa but I live in the UK because my line of work demands that I am in London for various reasons. Growing up in SA I always looked at you guys and thought how cool life would be being in your shoes, I envied you... education was supposedly high, living standards high etc. the world was your oyster compared to suppressive SA, but then when I grew up and moved to a first world country (UK) and did plenty travelling across the US, Canada, most of Europe I began to realise that the "first world" part was a myth, a lie. Most people I spoke to had not even heard of my country, the ones who did wondered if we had planes yet or did I take an elephant taxi to the steam ship which brought me here, what sort off clothes did I wear in the wild.....this sort of absolute ignorance....it has not stopped and it has never stopped amazing me how beligerant most Americans and British people are. Now I am not saying ALL people are like this but I have witnessed with my own two eyes that there are many many like this which frankly is astounding by any account and may I make it clear that this was not experienced in small one horse towns but in cities!!

How can an adult not know where a country is on a map or a capital city etc.....these little things imply a lot, a lot more than at first glance....it underpins the reality that most westerners from the moment they are born are fed a daily diet of disinformation, propaganda and more importantly are systematically dumbed down for the purposes of mass control by the corporate/government collusion. Any way you slice it this is the only reality.

And before you say what about South Africa...well they are not exempt, trust me!! The only difference was that when I was growing up the western way was not as mainstream as it is now.

Look into "race specific biological weapons development" and you will see the true nature of a racist SA.

I hate to be the one to have break this to you but the location you happen to be born in have very little to do with how smart/stupid you are. Every country around the world without exception have idiots. With all the stereotyping and generalizing you do it's not at all surprising that idiots gravitated towards you.

I doubt I know anyone who couldn't pick out South Africa on a map and most are aware it's a fairly developed country. However if you're running your month stereotyping everyone all the time like you seem to be in the habit of doing, only idiots are going to want to talk to you.

So yes, you can find stupid people in America or anywhere else in the world. America is a wildly diverse nation with all kinds of people.

Also keep in mind this isn't Europe, Africa, or Asia. We are somewhat isolated over here. The location of Botswana or Luxembourg is in no way relevant to our lives. In all likelihood that will never be useful information to me. Why the fuck should we care where they are?

You still sound jealous and bitter to me. You're just a typical douche who hates America because we are on top. You're no better than the people you complain about.

TL;DR - Haters gonna hate