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MEGAyielder420

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Thats exactly the way I make my babies except I dont put a wet towel over them. Same dome, same type of plugs those seem to be the GH ones? I put a heating pad or heating mat under them I buy at a pet store helps them root quicker. Nice looking babies Mr.Sticky
 
TheGreenHornet

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Well guys, it seems like the Bubbleponics unit is doing better for sure.. I see green expansion outwards from the leaf veins, and the yellow is retreating in most of the lower-middle leaves (the yellowing had progressed to the middle section). I am by NO MEANS out of the woods yet with these, and they still look rather shitty, but I think everyone got it when yall guessed pH was locking up some nutrients.. causing imbalances which then locked up even more nutrients.. cluster-fuck situation of nutrient issues to be sure. - pics

Megan in the newly transplanted perlite hempy looks slightly better as well, since taking her out of that bullshit river-stone medium. She still looks like I've been torturing her, but I think that the feeding yesterday helped as well. About an hour ago I gave her the rest of the 550ppm juice, and let it sit for 30 minutes, then fed her some pH'd water and put her back under the t5's. -pics

My clones were looking a little better from the 250ppm juice I doused their cubes in yesterday, but very slight really. I put the clone's rockwool cubes into party-cup hempies, which is pretty cool I think. I have started germinating 5 Killing Fields Fem to, which I will do 12/12 with my shortly vegged clones.

My clones are two JackHammer- and two KF3. (I dont know if the JackHammers are male or female yet - the mom hasn't shown preflower yet) With my clones though, I will successfully have a plant in each 5 gal... I think I have decided to go hempy buckets with 100% perlite, but still have some internal debating going on. -pics

Jo-sizzle, Mega, Sticky, and Dangle, please do not think any less of me! I still haven't committed to the Hempy Bucket completely yet.. but I did buy a shit load of perlite.
 

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MEGAyielder420 said:
Thats exactly the way I make my babies except I dont put a wet towel over them. Same dome, same type of plugs those seem to be the GH ones? I put a heating pad or heating mat under them I buy at a pet store helps them root quicker. Nice looking babies Mr.Sticky
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thanks man. i use a heating pad to the towel is just to build up humidity a little quicker. that seems to be the easiest way huh? I dont like to make things complicated. oh yeah the plugs are rapid rooters are those made by GH?
 
MEGAyielder420

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MrStickyScissors said:
thanks man. i use a heating pad to the towel is just to build up humidity a little quicker. that seems to be the easiest way huh? I dont like to make things complicated. oh yeah the plugs are rapid rooters are those made by GH?
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I figured same shit.. This method is idiot proof. I dont understand why its soo hard for people to make babies?
 
MEGAyielder420

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SC wow thats oldschool. I remember before that when I used to fuck with the oldschool warcraft. I remember those days. You guys must be pretty young to have been messing with SC?
 
Jozikins

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Star Craft and Star Craft II, Warcraft and Diablo never tickled my fancy. But it's true, I am young a aristocratic gentleman.
 
TheGreenHornet

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But of course. I've never played SC2, but I ruled ass at the original and then also expansion pack, it didn't matter what gateway I was on. I also had some pretty sweet Sorceresses and Druids in Diablo II
 
TheGreenHornet

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Well, I thought that the three in the BP unit looked better, and I still see some green coming back, but it is taking awhile. I also am having reservoir temperatures at solid 80 F. I think this is because I have the T5's now which are definitely hotter than the T12's. I also have left my water pump on 24/7 to keep it highly oxygenated, which has probably heated it up. I will definitely have to upgrade to an Igloo cooler in the future. For now, I am going to wait a little longer to see if I can get these three looking healthy again, and then I am going to transplant them into perlite hempies as well. I will cease to use the BP unit, and instead will root them in party-cup mini-hempies, then tranny to my big 5 gal hempy.

Megan in the 2.5 gal hempy looks like she isn't getting sick as quickly as she was.. but most of the leaves that showed any yellowing at all in the beginning have now shriveled and died, and been cut off. Also, the leaves that were beginning to yellow right before I transplanted her from the river-stones to perlite have pretty much continued to die out, but she does look better. Her leaves are no longer SUPER droopy, just DROOPY. So I'm not sure. A very close friend thinks that she looks better than she looked at day 2 in the river-stone medium. I watered her 1L today of pH'd water, then thought to myself that maybe her roots are hitting the res already sine this bucket is pretty small as she has long ass roots.. so I am about to go dig around and see if her roots DO hit the res. Here are some pics of them. I also took another clone off her today, her biggest lower branch. My other clones look pretty shitty so far, but I have been spraying them a lot and keeping them wet.. which I have vowed to really back off on the watering. (their leaves are yellow and droopy too, lol) Its a yellow droopy party over here.
 

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Jozikins

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DWC girls don't look so bad, but hempy looks pretty shitty. Stay out of the root zone, check her drain hole for tap roots venturing out into the light, that is how you check for roots in something like this. Digging through her perlite is going to cause a lot of root damage. Just keep feeding her 600-650ppm at the proper pH. Consider chopping off those bottom 6 branches that are dead and shriveled, they won't ever become anything. You may want to consider LST with those DWC girls, maybe you should transplant them, veg for another 4 days, then begin LST. You just don't seem to be getting quite the penetration you need. Your lights should be about 4" away from the plants, btw.

Go ahead and try and raise the clone, but it is hard to clone a plant with poor health, a mother should be perfectly balanced, and you will have a much better success rate.
 
TheGreenHornet

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Right on. those as clones :mrgreen:

Right now I have the problem of too many many clones/seedlings, but I figure I'll have like 30% infant mortality rate, if not higher. Right now I have 5 seedlings killing field fem, and like 8 clones. I was thinking of doing two in some of these buckets, since they are 5 gal big'uns. I have seen it done with some pretty good results, and since these clones are going to have like zero veg, I think it'll be good. Both the Jack Hammer and Killing Fields are Sativa dominant and Sannie recommends them being grown from 12/12. His last grow of KF at opengrow.com was fuckin nuts. He got over a gram-per-watt with a 1,000w and Mammoth tent (he left his 1,000 fixed about 6 ft above, but I think this is why it took him 2 week longer than expected) while using 10L buckets/pots. So not very big at all, and his footprint was something like 4x4 or 5x5.

I am hoping that the fact that the seedlings don't have any leaves will make up for the fact that the clones don't have any roots, and they'll be somewhat on the same track in a week or two, and then I can FINALLY throw something into flower.

Thanks for giving me the heads up on my t5's. I think you are right and they are too high, they are like 1ft over my plants, but I am a little worried about res - I will lower them but don't want to fry my roots in the DWC, the temp has already gone from 72-77 deg (in the heat of the day) under t12's to a solid 80 with the t5's. Still no brown or algae going on that I can see, but they look a little slimy. As soon as I can get them back on track I will transplant them. I am thinking about sticking two of them by my window, and letting the other one chill with Megan in the clone-booth, if she doesn't die.
 
Jozikins

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Just clone everything, and as soon as your clones have roots and you know they will survive, flower out your moms. This could be a potential disaster if your clones die, but it's better than spending a lot of money constantly and not getting any buds back. Your clones will never catch up to seedlings under 12/12, because of the way clones work. Clones will flower immediately without any delay, seedlings wont flower until they reach maturity, which can be 12" tall. Your clones will probably grow to 8" tall after stretching in flower, while your seedlings could get 2-3ft tall in the stretch.

30% mortality rate isn't average, you got to fix yo stuff to make them happy. I usually have a 100% success rate, my last round was an exception because of PM. And I don't suggest sticking anything in the window unless it is a window that gets 8 hours of direct sunlight a day. And even still, you should keep it in your grow room unless you really just don't care about the plant.
 
TheGreenHornet

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Hello everyone. So I have officially figured out what is causing the pH fluctuations. The small reservoir size had to do with it, my plants being larger had to do with it, and the water softening process that this RO water is put through completely removes the buffering capacity.>> https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=23357 >> this is a bit of a read, but anyone having the same problems as me should look into this article, as well as Root Aphids, which cause the exact same symptoms my plants have, but are by far more difficult to deal with than water.
I mix 1gal tap water to 2 gal filtered, which allows my pH to stay within 5.3-6.5 for 8 hours. It would probably stay within range for 24-48 hrs if I had a larger DWC unit, but since I have using storage totes that are 5 gal, instead of coolers that are 50 gal, I will have more issues with this. Anyone looking into DWC should NOT USE STORAGE BINS, unless you live in fucking Alaska or something, and your residual air temp is around 70 F, even with all your HID lights on. I am veggin with T5's, and the water temp is still scary. USE COOLERS, and make them big. A great example of keeping water temps down, and having a phenomenal harvest using DWC is BluBerry's DWC SCROG Round 2 Extrema. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/402585-dwc-scrog-grow-extrema-el.html
^ There's the first grow, his round 2 is currently in progress, but bluBerry has it down.

For my grow.. things still looking grim..
The firs pic is one of my clones that is turning yellow, the next is of one of my clones that is showing yellowing.. Not cool. There's another pics in here somewhere.. pic 4, another yellow clones (this uploader uploads them all out of order) the rest are pics of the girls in the BP, and MEgan in the hempy.. still looking bad. It is only a matter of time before she dies.. she probably only has like 10 leaves and branches left total. Maybe less than that
 

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Okk... So I bought this tri-meter, calibrated it, ppm, ph, and temp all calibrated less than 24 hrs ago, and before that was calibrated like once every two weeks because I am paranoid about this kind of bulllllSHIT happening.. it has been working fine. Or so I thought.....

Just so we are all on the same page, I am talking about the nutradip trimeter.

I use 4.0 and 7.1 pH solution and 1000ppm NaCl solution for calibration.
So I mixed my nutes today to 300ppm. Mostly all filtered water. 3gal-1 ratio of tap and RO filtered. I get to my BP unit, (and this happened yesterday too) put the lid on with all my plants, turn on my meter again (I mix nutes in the bathroom, and grow in the closet) and the thing reads 1100 and 900 and all in between. WHAT THE FUUUUKKK! I checked the pH with drops to make sure AT LEAST that is correct, and it is. So no pH problems, no temp problems, just PPM all over the fucking place with my trimeter.

I tried turning off all other electricity in the room, as that can affect its reading. It still is all over the place. I put it in the NaCl, it reads a little over 1000, from the nutes that were still on the meter when I pulled it out of my BP unit - I'm sure, so it isn't the probe.

I touched the probe to the side of my plastic container.. it jumps up about 400 ppm and still sporadically jumping. I touch the little metal prongs on the meter with my finger, it goes up to like 4,000.. I put it back in the NaCl.. 1100.. WTF.

If I don't figure this out soon I will take outside and BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF IT. I will make sure to post pictures if I do.
 
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