Heard an Interesting POV...

Gastanker

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canndo said:
Really?

Check out Monsanto and their gmo products, products that are intended not for consumers but for producers, there is all sorts of pressure yet we don't even have labels for gmo foods. It is true that government should be doing this for us, but you don't believe in federal government regulations and so you have little recourse at all.
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All gmo products are labeled in my market. If you want to get away from gmos it's not to hard... There is more pressure for gmos than against which is why they are still around.

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BTW, love the "chances are" part, libertarians think chance is a very important part of protecting consumers. "if you eat poisoned meat and die, chances are, the company will go out of business and lives will eventually be saved"
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THere is good evidence to support - here is the evidence. There, I reworded it for you. Why do socialists like you believe everything should come in exact terms? Why do they attack wording and semantics over the issue itself? Why the diversion?
 
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I had a discussion with someone once about an unfettered free market economy, I said the best place to look at such an uncommon thing was the underground drug market. Now I think you will agree with me that it is as good a laboratory for such things as anything else we can examine but the guy said I was crazy because illegal drugs were regulated by virtue of the fact that they were illegal. Now on the one hand the guy was correct but on the other, he was certainly off the mark. MJ is not regulated in the sense that it is not graded, tested for purity, kept from sale to minors, limited to certain areas or users. It is not regulated in the sense that alcohol or tobacco is and that is the sense of "regulation" that I am using.
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I dunno about you, but I regulate with Moral authority. I do not sell anyone shitty, moldy, fluffy bud. I do not sell to people under the age of 21. I do not sell to people I do not know.
The marijuana we have is well regulated, it just didn't take any Federal intervention to make it that way.

Look at ethanol regulations, they have enriched corn growing states immensely but have hurt the cattle feed industry and the human food markets terribly.
 
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Gastanker said:
This is a prime example of where Federal regulation is necessary - but how often do large manufacturers place their factories directly on the boarder so they can illegally dump? You are sounding a bit nutty. Most states would intervene just so that the feds wouldn't need to.
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The element water doesnt Recognize Borders
and neither does the pollution it can carry
 
Gastanker

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Then read the thread not just your posts
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I believe everyone agrees that interstate pollution is a federal matter. Oxygen doesn't care if there is pollution along side of it. Nitrogen doesn't care either, has no opinion whatsoever. The CO2 that is emitted from burning fossil fuels; No opinion - who would have guessed!
 
doc111

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Gastanker said:
Before hating corporations I think people need to look at who corporations are. Oh wait, its them, and the person next to them, and their best friend and all his coworkers, the checkout clerk at the grocery store, and the bank, and the gas station, the person that made their car, phone, food. Do you hate the environment? Are you super rich? What about your coworks? Your friends? Hmmm...
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canndo said:
That is as accurate as my saying that we are our government.
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canndo said:
Not too swift? you are the one with the Huh??? post, not I. Saying that eveyone around you is a part of a "corporation" is the same as saying that everyone around you is a part of government (in the USA anyway). Now what part of that logic escapes you?
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I don't want to speak for anyone else but that's not what I took from Gastanker's post. Go back and read it. I think he was saying that corporations aren't some faceless, evil entity bent on the destruction of the species, the environment, economy, Hell! The world? lol! We are all dependent on things which are made by those same "evil corporations". Your friends and neighbors (provided they are employed) might be working at some of those same "evil corporations". Sure, we have a handful of examples of corporate shenanigans and malfeasance. So we should demonize ALL CORPORATIONS? That's like someone saying we should exterminate the human race because a relative few are murderers! lmfao!!!!!!:-P
 
Gastanker

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Well said Doc.

If one bad person at a corporation decides to dump lead into a river instead of recycling it, should the other several hundred to thousands of workers be punished because he's a fuck up? Are they all terrible nature haters? Chances not.

If he was managing his own small business would be still dump lead? Probably...
 
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Gastanker said:
Well said Doc.

If one bad person at a corporation decides to dump lead into a river instead of recycling it, should the other several hundred to thousands of workers be punished because he's a fuck up? Are they all terrible nature haters? Chances not.

If he was managing his own small business would be still dump lead? Probably...
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Yes and that person should be the CEO its his ship He gets rewarded when the company makes a Profit
It should also be his head that Rolls when he runs it aground
 
doc111

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Gastanker said:
Well said Doc.

If one bad person at a corporation decides to dump lead into a river instead of recycling it, should the other several hundred to thousands of workers be punished because he's a fuck up? Are they all terrible nature haters? Chances not.

If he was managing his own small business would be still dump lead? Probably...
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lol! I think lead is getting about $.15/lb. at the scrapyard. Anybody dumping lead these days is a fool! But you're probably right. :eyesmoke:
 
doc111

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Now back to the Corporation cutting down all the Trees
It still happens right here in the USA
http://www.voiceforthewild.org/clearcutting/action_clearcutting.html

Now I asked a Poster earlier who insisted that Loggers were required to replant
I am asking again. What federal regulations say they need to replant Trees on Private land?
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Back alley abortions probably still happen in the U.S.! What's your point? Why do you give a fuck what someone does on PRIVATE LAND???? lol! They SHOULD be able to clear cut the trees if they so choose. Developers do it all the time, right?:-P
 
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doc111 said:
Back alley abortions probably still happen in the U.S.! What's your point? Why do you give a fuck what someone does on PRIVATE LAND???? lol! They SHOULD be able to clear cut the trees if they so choose. Developers do it all the time, right?:-P
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Because not everything you do is done in the Vaccum that is Your head
You Cut down all the Trees. The soil washes away into the streams Kills the Fish and the Sediments end up in the downstream Lakes
Thats just one example
 
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doc111 said:
Back alley abortions probably still happen in the U.S.! What's your point? Why do you give a fuck what someone does on PRIVATE LAND???? lol! They SHOULD be able to clear cut the trees if they so choose. Developers do it all the time, right?:-P
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It is probably best to not incite the Dukeanthony puppet troll, instead ignore and pretend he doesn't exist, it won't be long before he gets banned again anyway.
 
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Want another Example?
Keystone Pipeline
Transcanada wants to route a underground 36 inch Pipe to carry tar sand Oil right over the Oglalla Aquifer. Which is one of the largest freshwater sources in the world. And supplys the water demands of 3 states

Pipelines never leak ...right?
How much would destroying that be worth?
 
doc111

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Because not everything you do is done in the Vaccum that is Your head
You Cut down all the Trees. The soil washes away into the streams Kills the Fish and the Sediments end up in the downstream Lakes
Thats just one example
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Oh Nooooooooooos!!!!!!!:o If a few idiots decide to clear cut their land why do you think everyone will do the same? I'm WELL AWARE of what happens as a result of clear cutting. Nice insult BTW. :clap:
 
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Oh Nooooooooooos!!!!!!!:o If a few idiots decide to clear cut their land why do you think everyone will do the same? I'm WELL AWARE of what happens as a result of clear cutting. Nice insult BTW. :clap:
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Thanks
I am sure I will never rise to the level of yours
Hey do that Smiley flipping the finger again
 
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