Geronimo420
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Chic-fil-A prefer Chic-fil-her over chuck-fil-a
Chic-fil-a is kicking some butt!
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Dr Kynes
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if a potential employee declines the invitation to sign a w-4 wage and tax agreement, you have not received an invalid form. they have DECLINED to have their pay garnished to pay taxes in advance. look at the form, it cites no law requiring it's signing, nor any law requiring it's issuance. if you as an employer choose not to even offer them the IRS will get all up in your shit, but they really have no standing in law to force anyone to sign any agreement. in fact pressuring your employee to sign could be called coercion if they decide to sue
using an "old " form, or marking up one of your own is fraud. the agreement is only valid when it is agreed to. if he deliberately says he does not agree then you cant legally do shit except not hire him.
remember that this is an AGREEMENT to allow you to withhold THEIR pay for the GOVERNMENT'S convenience.
note the little "Exempt" checkbox at the bottom. this is not a declining of the agreement, it's agreeing to the government's withholding in principle, but setting the withholding at $0, you cant use that to avoid the problem either. they will simply withhold whatever they wish if they dont believe he falls into the category of "Persons who agree in prinicple, but dont believe they will owe any taxes" once he signs the agreement he is legally bound to it, and if he does not qualify as exempt, he will be longdonged.
Sorry Dr K, I've went through this and know first hand, I'll stand by my previous statement.
An unsigned W4 is an invalid W4 any way you look at it and the IRS makes it clear to the employer that we must take default deductions.
Think about it, let's say for arguments sake your contention has merit. With all the readily information on the internet, don't you think thousands if not millions of employees would already be taking advantage it?
BTW, I just pulled a blank W4 out and it clearly states below "Employee's Signature" (This form is not valid until you sign it)
UncleBuck
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well, i know that when you think i've failed, you're really just talking about yourself. so i'll go ahead and claim victory here, no rebuttal to your douchery is necessary.
and i'm certain it was the ducks laughing at you. they can't even read english but they just sense your idiocy.
Major FAIL!
This is straight from the irs.gov website. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf
When you get an invalid Form W-4, do not use it to figure federal income tax withholding. Tell the employee that it is invalid and ask for another one. If the employee does not give you a valid one, withhold taxes as if the employee was single and claiming no withholding allowances. However, if you have an earlier Form W-4 for this worker that is valid, withhold as you did before.
UncleBuck
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show me one case of someone being forced to sign a W4.
your argument is "if they don't, i have to treat it like so and so", but you've yet to show me a case of anyone being forced to start a business.
starting that business and signing a W4 are both completely voluntary actions that you choose to do. you consent. no one forced you to do shit.
now shut the fuck up, please.
Moses Mobetta
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No one forces us to shit but we all do it.
budlover13
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This post made me remember that i had this pic:
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Damn Bucky, is it that hard for you to admit when you are wrong?
The proof is right in front of your face and you continue to try and move the goalposts.
Here's your quote saying that if you don't sign a W4, you don't have to pay taxes.
You even disagree with the fucking IRS's own instructions I linked stating you still have to pay taxes whether you sign or not.
Grow a set dude and admit when you're wrong!
UncleBuck
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the point you are trying to make is that if someone else doesn't sign a W4, you still have to pay the taxes involved for that other person.
but no one is ever forced to sign a W4. the point remains.
and to address your retarded point, no one is ever forced to start a business and offer other people W4s to sign. that is your voluntary choice.
you are attempting to expand on my original point, and are failing wildly in the process.
Canna Sylvan
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No one is forcing anyone to be gay. So I think it's fine to have people voluntarily sign a paper promising they don't get it on with their own sex. You have two choices: don't stick your dick in a man's ass, or not work.
ChesusRice
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Of course you would
newatit2010
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I think if workers that work for chic-fil-a should masterbate on the sandwiches and the fags would love them.
Dr Kynes
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if i draw up a contract or agreement that clearly states all signatories must bring their teenage daughters to my house washed, styled and dressed up as an alsatian sheep for the express purpose of feeding my hellspawned heathen lusts, and I scribbble down at the bottom "*this form is not valid until signed" does this make my "contract" any more binding on those who decline to sign?
the "w-4 wage and tax withholding agreement" form is not required by law. it is required by IRS policy. theres a difference. phil garrido had a policy that underage girls were his personal sex toys, and he could keep them chained up in his back yard like pets. he maintained this policy without refutation through 4 presidential administrations. did this make creepy phil's policy lawful, correct or right?
the IRS uses business owners and employers as their henchmen to extract the tax withholding before the employee sees it in order to "incentivize" the "tax payers" to file their income tax return in hopes of getting their "refund"
if i told you that i was going to come to your house, steal 20% of your shit, then if you filed a form allowing me the right to keep robbing you i would return 1/4 of what i took, would you feel good or bad about my plan?
this is a new agreement:
you are required to send me half of your pay every month and i will at the end of the year, if you send me a sufficiently sweetly worded love letter adressed to my left nut, i shall return 75% of it, and throw in a happy face sticker to sweeten the deal. this agree,ment is binding and non-negotiable. reading this contract makes you party to it's stipulations. print this posting out, sign it and mail it back. this is required by C.H.O.A.M. Corporation policy.
* agreement not valid until signed
there. now start sending those checks. the doc needs your cheddar.
Dr Kynes
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you are both very wrong. the w-4 is not a tax. it is an agreement to allow the employer to garnish your wages on behalf of the IRS . the IRS says it is "Mandatory or many bad scary things will happen to the employer", so the employer says the employee must sign it or not get hired.
the truth is far different. employers are not required to act as tax collector, the IRS just wants you to think you are required to do so. the employee is not required to sign any contract wioth the IRS as a stipulation of employment. both are being used by the IRS without either party wondering why, they just shrug and assume there must be a law somewhere. there is not. only an IRS policy.
policies are NOT law. thats why the w-4 is clearly worded as an "agreement" not a required form under law. like the I-9 pre-employment immigration status declaration. law requires that one be filled out by the employer and filed with the INS before anyone can be hired, yet illegal aliens still get work at an alarming rate. funny how the i-9 has so much wiggle room, but the w-4 is sacred writ.
Dr Kynes
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addendum 1a:
but the hot chicks can still lez out if the doc gets to run the camcorder.
addendum 1b:
and they let him get in between them at least 2 times a week.
addendum 1c:
plus 3 blowjobs a month from each
addendum 1d:
or two if they work together on said blowjobs.
addendum 1e:
i may add more shit later. depending how horny i get.
addendum 1f:
dibs on the redheads.
addendum 1g:
no fatties
addendum 1h:
chubby chicks welcome. just no wildebeasts
UncleBuck
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now we know how you earn the trust of your victims.
fucking sick.
pedophiles like you disgust me.
UncleBuck
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WOOPS!
looks like beenthere is a weed thief.
that should earn you major points on this forum.
new sig found.
i'll go back to kynes sigs once you scurry out of here like the little pedo thief that you are.