Let me simplify it for you. Anarchy would create a vacuum, something would take its place, socialism fails but takes forever to do it until the populace is decimated.I used to think you knew what you were talking about Dr.
Sad day today.
Let me simplify it for you. Anarchy would create a vacuum, something would take its place, socialism fails but takes forever to do it until the populace is decimated.I used to think you knew what you were talking about Dr.
Sad day today.
the saddest part is, its all true. i do know what im talking about, and denying the facts of history, and the true record of marxism, and its sub-categories of socialism and communism will only serve to enslave you. read marx and engles more, then reaqd trotsky and lenin (the true believers who died for their faith in marxism). then just peruse the actions of the second string marxists who came off the bench when lenin and trotsky were cast out. stalin, pol pot, mao, hitler, mussolini, franco, castro, kim il sun, and so many others, each one more of a bastard than the last, but each one mouthing the marxist party line and each one endorsed by the worker's world party, and the comintern. but then, maybe we just havent had the RIGHT marxist leaders yet. surely a few dozen more tries isnt too much to ask, after all look at how good hugo chavez is doing, why he is beloved of all the peoples, and gets re-elected with a 99% margin, of course a few journalists have to disappear, and nobody is allowed to oppose him in an election, but still, he is a magnificent marxist!I used to think you knew what you were talking about Dr.
Sad day today.
no, you have it wrong. socialism is a subset of marxism, a middle ground before the grand utopia of the workers paradise. socialism springs from marx and engles, with the goal of initiating the world communist revolution they desired.yes yes... and marxism is not a form of socialism and anarcho-syndicalism started in the 70s. I got it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialismno, you have it wrong. socialism is a subset of marxism, a middle ground before the grand utopia of the workers paradise. socialism springs from marx and engles, with the goal of initiating the world communist revolution they desired.
lenin was a tireless ally for the workers of the world, and despite his able and charismatic leadership stalin was able to redirect the russian revolution away from communism and the marxist dream and towards the eternal static despotism of socialism. lenin was a true believer, stalin was an opportunist.To imply Lenin died for Marxism is a sick joke.
Whether Lenin was an ally of the working class I suppose is up to who you ask. I would say no. He sold out the real revolutionaries in order to consilidate power and essentially stopped the revolution in it's tracks (all in the name of revolution, ironically, enough).lenin was a tireless ally for the workers of the world, and despite his able and charismatic leadership stalin was able to redirect the russian revolution away from communism and the marxist dream and towards the eternal static despotism of socialism. lenin was a true believer, stalin was an opportunist.
you imply that lenin's many wounds at the hands of assassins (for the czarists, and the stalinist bloc) did not eventually kill him, i suppose youll claim he died from syphilis? nice revisionist history. two years before his death a western surgeon removed the bullet from his neck that he had carried for nearly 5 years, and this doctor didnt see syphilis. he saw a tired and battered man on the ragged edge who never stopped working for his dream of the marxist utopia.
i dont agree with marxism, nor communism, but it is harmless and rather charming in it's naivete. it only becomes poisonous in it's half measures, like socialism. there has never been a communal society larger than a small tribal group because it cannot work outside the strict confines of a narrowly defined social structure based on mutual support, ie: a large family or small clan, where everybody is directly related to everybody. even hippie communes in northern california are constantly adding and losing members to the outside world, and the voluntary nature of communism makes it completely harmless.
socialism is all the least efficient parts of communism enforced by the threat of violence and surrounded by barbed wire fences to keep the prisoners inside. anyone can come into a socialist dictatorship, you just cant leave afterwards.
anyone who wants to claim they are a socialist but doesn't understand that socialism was a necessary evil on the road to marxist communism is either being duped, or trying to dupe somebody else. the shit is not as secret, you can get the communist manifesto for free at any communist bookstore, any communist party office or on the interwebs. real communists dont hide their agenda or their ideals, because they believe in it.
only the bastards use word games and secrecy to conceal their intentions, and bastards only care about one thing, themselves.
so wikipedia trumps the communist manifesto, and all the writings of marx, engles, trotsky, lenin, mussolini, mao and all the rest who created marxist philosophy? nice try. get yourself some free copies of the communist manifesto and all the other works by real marxists and see if you cant get your read on.
that was socialism, the ugly and unpleasant middle ground BEFORE communism takes over and we all have puppies and ponies and rainbows every day.Oh, and tell the victims of the numerous pogroms that communism is harmless.
What was it like... 20 million or so? Yeah... real fuckin harmless.
there is no "agree to disagree" with the simple facts of marxism and it's subsets. you cant say "well thats just your opinion" and declare victory. you are WRONG you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the marxism you claim to support, and you have no knowledge of the theories or the implementation of said theories.Whether Lenin was an ally of the working class I suppose is up to who you ask. I would say no. He sold out the real revolutionaries in order to consilidate power and essentially stopped the revolution in it's tracks (all in the name of revolution, ironically, enough).
And yes, I think he died of syphilis. It's no surprised the communist dictatorship would want to hide that fact.
I guess we'll never agree about what socialism is. I believe it is an umbrella term which encompasses many ideologies, some of those ideologies being "socialist" in name or implication only, practice is another thing.
thats why marxism is so appealing, it paints a picture of a new world with smiling people and picnics on the grass, and noodle salad, but unfortunately before you get to the picnic, the bus is hijacked by socialists and driven to cuba, or cambodia or soviet russia, or north korea.I would like to be a communist with ponies and rainbows.
I have my helmet on so all of you angry people can yell out your opinions now. I'm ready, go on tell me how wrong I am and that you know how the world really works. I want to hear your thoughts on life being hard and how ya gotta pay your dues. Freedom isn't free? Is anyone ready to share that little ditty with me 'cause I've never heard that one before. Come on, I'm listening. Wait I gotta go take a shit so my sphincter will be empty and ready for some dissenting soul to give it to me good and still stay clean for the wife. Ahhh....OK I'm really ready now........GO
yep, taking the marx out of marxism and redefining it to suit the newspeak sure does make for easy rightness.Good talking to you Dr.
You're still wrong though. It's cool, we're all wrong sometimes.
That was the shit. I always wanted to take the time to explain this, but assumed it would be a waste of time. It's not easy to deprogram the brainwashed.yep, taking the marx out of marxism and redefining it to suit the newspeak sure does make for easy rightness.
too bad marx and engles defined communism socilaism and marxism quite sufficiently, and attempting to redefine the brand just makes the foundations look weak.
the gritty reboot to marxism with communism as the villain and socialism as the fucking batman is laughable in its stupidity. marx invented communism and socialism, not the other way around.
You really believe Marx and Engles were the first to use the term "socialism"?yep, taking the marx out of marxism and redefining it to suit the newspeak sure does make for easy rightness.
too bad marx and engles defined communism socilaism and marxism quite sufficiently, and attempting to redefine the brand just makes the foundations look weak.
the gritty reboot to marxism with communism as the villain and socialism as the fucking batman is laughable in its stupidity. marx invented communism and socialism, not the other way around.