billybob420
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And since you're obviously having a hard time grasping this, I figured Wikipedia would be a good place to start.
so you mean capatalist governments don't descend into police states or cast systems, you must be stoned lol! look at america, what was segregation to you?a contradiction in terms, like being a pacifist murderer.
socialism must by it's very nature eliminate the freedoms that allow a libertarian to exercise the liberty he claims as his birthright.
socialist governments inevitably descend into police states or caste systems. even now scandanavia is slipping further into the oppressive caste system of the middle ages where wealth and poverty are ones lot in life at birth, and upward mobility is nearly impossible due to government restrictions on innovation and industry.they have not indulged in oppression of the populace yet, which is good, but they are becoming a seriously stratified economy with the perpetual underclass surviving solely on the good graces of their overlords.
Well I'm all ears, lets hear what you have experienced in your life!I'm ready, go on tell me how wrong I am and that you know how the world really works. I want to hear your thoughts on life being hard and how ya gotta pay your dues. Freedom isn't free? Is anyone ready to share that little ditty with me 'cause I've never heard that one before.
marx did not "invent" socialism. its been around much much longer, without the name we give it now, and that is thanks to the marxist revolution.yep, taking the marx out of marxism and redefining it to suit the newspeak sure does make for easy rightness.
too bad marx and engles defined communism socilaism and marxism quite sufficiently, and attempting to redefine the brand just makes the foundations look weak.
the gritty reboot to marxism with communism as the villain and socialism as the fucking batman is laughable in its stupidity. marx invented communism and socialism, not the other way around.
And that's where the libertarian argument falls apart. Government isn't the only way to restrict innovation and decrease class mobility. There are plenty of free market ways to eliminate your competition too. In fact, I believe there was more class mobility after the New Deal.so you mean capatalist governments don't descend into police states or cast systems, you must be stoned lol! look at america, what was segregation to you?
socialist states by their very nature sieze the rights liberties and freedoms of their people and bend those people to the state's whim. libertarians believe one owns oneself, and thus may own things, socialists believe the person belongs to the state, as does all property.so you mean capatalist governments don't descend into police states or cast systems, you must be stoned lol! look at america, what was segregation to you?
so youre using the marxist term socialism to represent the happy fun times, good vibes, puppies and kittens, feelgood positive things of the universe while other ideas such as capitalism and communism represent what? all things dark and menacing?You really believe Marx and Engles were the first to use the term "socialism"?
And I agree there is no agreeing to disagree, but we're gonna disagree whether we agree to it or not. I'm talking about Socialism as everyone else talks about it, you're talking about Socialism as Marxists use it, which is strange cause, you're not a Marxist. Marx was not the first to use the term socialism. If anything, he redefined it, as being a stage in "Marxism".
yes, marx created socialism, and communism as fully fleshed political theories.marx did not "invent" socialism. its been around much much longer, without the name we give it now, and that is thanks to the marxist revolution.
Oh the irony, how true that analogy is.Here is a little story told to me by one of my business associates in China many years ago.
The president of China and the President USA were driving down a road.
As they approached the fork in the road. One sign said "Capitalism" turn right and the other sign said Socialism turn left.
The American President asks the Chinese President which way should they go.
The Chinese President said with a smirk and a wink. Put your blinker on to turn left. But, we will really turn right.
End of story.
This is how things are in China today
president Ted Kennedy? ohh i see what you did there...then the American president put the hazards on and flipped the car into the ditch.
My argument begins and ends with "Marx is a form of Socialism". That's it.so youre using the marxist term socialism to represent the happy fun times, good vibes, puppies and kittens, feelgood positive things of the universe while other ideas such as capitalism and communism represent what? all things dark and menacing?
feel free to spin the language in whatever way you choose, ill not argue with anyone who feels words mean only what he wishes them to mean and redefines them to suit his current narrative.
capitalism is not evil, nor is communism.
cronyism is evil in exactly the same way that socialism is, subjugating the needs of the people for the pleasure of those at the top of the ziggurat.
enjoy your fantasy world, ill not be dragged into it.
You most assuredly didn't benefit from public educationI wouldn't call that benefiting.