oh, my. that less than an inch sized scrape on his ugly noggin was so life threatening!
Agreed, but it is complete speculation. If Zimmerman grabbed Martin, as you describe, I would be agreeable to Martin decking him. I would not be agreeable to Martin climbing aboard to do an MMA-style ground and pound post-decking though, and guess what, Florida's SYG law would make it perfectly acceptable for Z to use lethal force in exactly the situation you describe.
The recorded screams for help went on for about 45 seconds IIRC. Pretty close to "nearly a minute". Did Serino testify to anything else besides "wrist control"? LOL
self defense with your fists? unacceptable.
Well, since you bring it up... Zimmerman underwent a lie detector test the morning after the shooting and passed it.
i live in magic land, where a fight in which i am decked MMA style 25-30 times and have my head slammed on the concrete for nearly a minute while i am being suffocated results in a teensy weensy little tiny scrape on my dome.
Not fucking soon enough. Next June, I think, unless the whole pile of shit is dismissed before then.
"Kidpunches"? Don't you mean love taps, or caresses, maybe? Yeah, Bear, you are just an innocent, disinterested bystander in these discussions. Not taking sides at all. No sir, not that bear, he is just a paragon of middle of the roadness.
On the suffocation question... Have any of you readers been completely out of breath after running a mile, or being in an extremely stressful situation where you are getting your ass beaten and your head pounded into the pavement, say, and then tried to hold your breath for even one breath? Can you imagine what it would feel like if somebody clamped their hand over your mouth and nose for two or three seconds when your body is in an oxygen deprived state like that? The word, "suffocation" comes to mind.
If you don't like the description, "marginally life threatening", then take it up with the lead investigator, Serino.
I've seen the pics of Zimmerman's injuries, thanks to yesterday's discussion. They are consistent with Trayvon not having hit very hard. I don't see you complaining when people exaggerate Trayvon's assault into an MMA beatdown, which it doesn't seem to have been.
Because that is what the physical evidence clearly points to. Z was battered. Z screamed for helped for 45 seconds.
attachment to reality.
no physical evidence whatsoever points to martin starting the fight.
in what reality does the aggressor run the fuck away and the guy using self defense pursue and stalk?
In yours, Bucky. You are the one who invented the scenario you created. Is that redundant enough for you?in what reality does the aggressor run the fuck away and the guy using self defense pursue and stalk?
you need some more attachment to reality.
You accuse me of assuming an agenda, and you post this classic bit of "my mind is closed!"? Oh my. cn
"MMA style" are the words of an eye witness, not mine, and not "people". Lead investigator Serino described Zimmerman's injuries as "marginally life threatening". I am no expert, but "marginally life threatening" sounds like it might have ended Zimmerman's life, or put him in a coma, or caused great bodily harm, which sounds like the sort of situation that warrants using lethal force in defense of one's life. That is the whole "attachment to reality" thing.