Superthrive debate...

[Newb85]

Hi all,

Right .... I've done a little research on this now.... Superthrive is amazing stuff, plants love the stuff and the do grow much quicker when used correct - I use soil and I put 1 drop a litre.

My question is.... Who's used it in flower - ive seen soo many ppl say not tto use in flower but I'm coming across more people that insist of using it in flower, one experienced grower I met at my local hydro shop said she now doubles her yields .

I plan on using it throughout my whole grow on 2 of my plants but won't on the other just to see
Just thought I'd spark a good debate..

 

[chuck estevez]

anyone who thinks it does anything is fooling themselves, read up

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin%20B1.pdf

just reading the label should make you feel ripped off.

 

[Newb85]

That's fine - ive done numerous grows but when I stated using - ST I noticed the plants grew faster - without question.
Thats your opinion, this is mine - anyone else used it?

 

[209 Cali closet grower]

I just started to use it? Can't say it really works yet? But my plants are taking off, from what I see. But probably really don't need it, but got it free, and said why not??

 

[chuck estevez]

That's fine - ive done numerous grows but when I stated using - ST I noticed the plants grew faster - without question.
Thats your opinion, this is mine - anyone else used it?

it's not opinion, it's a PH.D saying that it does ABSOLUTELY nothing. But noobs like you won't read it, you just keep dumping unnecessary stuff on your plants.

If St did everything it says on the label, you wouldn't need anything else. Someday you will see the light.

 

[Newb85]

Yea - same sort of thing with me - picked up a bottle cheap as the hydro shop guys swear by it - uses it and watched them grow at rapid speed - id love to find someone who's gone against the theory and uses it in flower - if it helps yeild then I'm all for it

 

[chuck estevez]

Yea - same sort of thing with me - picked up a bottle cheap as the hydro shop guys swear by it - uses it and watched them grow at rapid speed - id love to find someone who's gone against the theory and uses it in flower - if it helps yeild then I'm all for it

this should have been your first clue.

 

[GandalfdaGreen]

anyone who thinks it does anything is fooling themselves, read up

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin%20B1.pdf

just reading the label should make you feel ripped off.

Not choosing sides here. It seems that article is disputing the idea that it helps with root growth. I use it very sparingly, a drop a gallon, if and when the plants need a slight boost. I dont just indiscriminately slosh it around. It comes down to personal choice. Thats why there are so many different nute companies. Look at AN B52. People swear by it. Superthrive is very acidic. Very.

 

[chuck estevez]

Why does the mystique of vitamin B-1 transplant tonics still persist after decades of scientific debunking?
The Bottom Line
• Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on
plants outside the laboratory
• A nitrogen fertilizer is adequate for transplanting landscape plants; avoid use of “transplant
fertilizers” that contain phosphate
• Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply
• Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well
• Difficult-to-transplant species may be aided by application of auxin-containing products in
addition to nitrogen, but read the label and don’t add unnecessary and potentially harmful
chemicals (this includes organics!)
• Adequate soil moisture is crucial for new root growth; be sure to irrigate new transplants
frequently and use mulch to reduce evaporation

 

[brotherjericho]

There is another thread on here, look up "superthrive cannabis" on google.

Anyways...I've not seen anyone do a study with clones. Take some clones, use superthrive on one set and not on the other. Report results. I would do it but my space is limited and I don't care to experiment when my plants all seem to do fine without it .

 

[chuck estevez]

SERIOUSLY??? anyone who reads this and believes it is just plain dumb.

 

[chuck estevez]

Just google the word BIOUSABLE,LMFAO!!

 

[brotherjericho]

The man (recently passed) became a millionaire off of dumb people...

 

[ricky1lung]

If you don't want to use the product that's fine.
But if you're going to quote the data at least quote all
the info.

Vitamin B-1 (thiamine) is an important component of tissue culture media, in which isolated plant tissues
can be propagated. Its use for stimulating root growth in whole plants is not supported in the literature
and one study reported that root growth was greater in the control treatment (water) than with thiamine.
Plants in the field manufacture their own source of thiamine and it is therefore unnecessary to add any
additional levels. Many fungi and bacteria associated with plant roots also produce thiamine, so it’s
likely that healthy soils will contain adequate levels of this vitamin without amendment.
Why does the mystique of vitamin B-1 transplant tonics still persist after decades of scientific debunking?

The Bottom Line
• Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on
plants outside the laboratory
• A nitrogen fertilizer is adequate for transplanting landscape plants; avoid use of “transplant
fertilizers” that contain phosphate
• Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply
• Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well
• Difficult-to-transplant species may be aided by application of auxin-containing products in
addition to nitrogen, but read the label and don’t add unnecessary and potentially harmful
chemicals (this includes organics!)
• Adequate soil moisture is crucial for new root growth; be sure to irrigate new transplants
frequently and use mulch to reduce evaporation

Healthy conditions are paramount to the argument, thiamine is important. I see nothing wrong
with helping out an unhealthy plant or soil.

 

[SnotBoogie]

LOL this thread hurts my brain with the stupid

 

[Newb85]

It works for me - use all the scientific info u want - I have seen improvement using the same variable and I've been growing a while now - hate all you want, each to their own

 

[chuck estevez]

If you don't want to use the product that's fine.
But if you're going to quote the data at least quote all
the info.




Healthy conditions are paramount to the argument, thiamine is important. I see nothing wrong
with helping out an unhealthy plant or soil.

Dumping some over priced junk on a unhealthy soil is not my solution. Knowing what a plant uses and what makes soil work so that I NEVER have a unhealthy condition is most important. But you keep wasting your money on that crap. I will leave this thread to the ignorant as This so called debate is over.

 

[ricky1lung]

LOL this thread hurts my brain with the stupid

The stupid thing is that the "scientific data" does show that it does in fact contain
nutrients that may be beneficial to the plants but people choose not to see that.

No one is suggesting it is a cure all wonder supplement but rejecting it as though
it does absolutely nothing and calling people dumb for using it is pretty ignorant.

The science in the data proves it.

 

[ricky1lung]

Dumping some over priced junk on a unhealthy soil is not my solution. Knowing what a plant uses and what makes soil work so that I NEVER have a unhealthy condition is most important. But you keep wasting your money on that crap. I will leave this thread to the ignorant as This so called debate is over.

So you must grow completely organic then? You wouldn't want to be dumping any overpriced nutes in your soil now would you?

 

[chuck estevez]

So you must grow completely organic then? You wouldn't want to be dumping any overpriced nutes in your soil now would you?

Actually, i use worm castings in veg and jacks 20-20-20 (A tub is $5) from start to finish in flower and nothing else. I grow indoors and don't have the time or space to do a proper organic soil. If I had a outdoor grow, you bet your ass it would be a no till garden.