Superthrive debate...
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growingforfun
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Ok so results are in: on paper it doesn't work, in actuality it helps plants grow. Sounds like not everything ha been written down.
GandalfdaGreen
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Chuck....you are not a scientist and I guarantee that you were never taught to read actual scientific reports. Time to go fishing Chuck or take some more photos of bikes or atvs or tits. See ya Chuck. Dr. Chuck PHD. LMFAO. Tool.
SeeRockCity
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Check out their compliance on content registration too.....
http://apps4.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/default.aspx
Firm Name-----------Product name---------------Product Type--------------Registration Status
http://apps4.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/default.aspx
Firm Name-----------Product name---------------Product Type--------------Registration Status
| VITAMIN INSTITUTE | SUPERTHRIVE | Auxiliary Soil and Plant Substance | Data/Revisions Required |
ricky1lung
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Do the same for maxibloom.
Same results
chuck estevez
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O.k Nerd. people get so mad when they find out they are dumb and have been falsely lead into buying something clearly on the hype of the label. Maybe someday you will quit being a donkey and READ what a scientist wrote, i thought that is what nerds do???
GandalfdaGreen
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By the looks of you I'm surprised you can read. Bye Chucky. Im done wasting my time with you. I'm off to nail that chick on the boat. Even though she's a bit big for my likes.
mycomaster
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Even if you are scientificaly correct about a subject, it does not give you the right to name call and be an arsehole man. Chill out and smoke some herb brother, no reason to be a dick. You can't change his mind by yelling your opinions at them, just doesn't work. It actually turns someone off to your insight, so try a friendlier approach bro! Good luck, Good grow, Be safe, 
out.
out.
Tokindaily37
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"shes says shes doubling her yields" yeah ever figure their not talking about weed the guy at mine said you can produce some pounders with this stuff" think he talking about weed..probably not.
Chuck has the upper hand on this he does have science where as the the other is opinion kind of like here the %99 proof of evolution and yet people still believing in imaginary friends called "Gods".
Science is science you cant go writing false articles it doesn't work that way nobody needs to be trained or taught in anyway how to read a scientific article other then a basic reading skill.
Chuck has the upper hand on this he does have science where as the the other is opinion kind of like here the %99 proof of evolution and yet people still believing in imaginary friends called "Gods".
Science is science you cant go writing false articles it doesn't work that way nobody needs to be trained or taught in anyway how to read a scientific article other then a basic reading skill.
Tokindaily37
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Relax guys its understandable he was posting non aggressive comments with good information until doofus said fuck off
TreeOfLiberty
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I think SuperThrive is over rated..... but I still have a small 4 oz. bottle on the shelf. 
Ballsonrawls
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Not true, there are a bunch of scientifically proven instances where its all bullshit. think about the food you eat. scientifically its horrible for you yet it takes more than a basic reading skill to know that.
dolamic
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What about the rest of the properties in the bottle?
I have heard about Vitamin B1 only, 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid is in the bottle too.
They account for less than 1%. Has anyone got any hard data on the other 99%? Water maybe?
NAA is a synthetic plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products;
it is a rooting agent and used for the vegetative propagation of plants from stem and leaf cutting. It is also used for plant tissue culture.
The hormone NAA does not occur naturally. In the United States, under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA),
products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides.
(Which is why ST is illegal in those certain states most likely.)
NAA is widely used in agriculture for various purposes. It is considered to be only slightly toxic but when at higher concentrations it can be toxic to animals.
This was shown when tested on rats via oral ingestion at 1000-5900 mg/kg. NAA has been shown to greatly increase cellulose
fiber formation in plants when paired with another phytohormone called gibberellic acid. (HEY! I've heard of that!) Because it is in
the auxin family it has also been understood to prevent premature dropping and thinning of fruits from stems. It is applied after blossom fertilization.
Increased amounts of it can actually have negative effects however, and cause growth inhibition to the development of plant crops.
It has been used on many different crops like apples, olives, oranges, potatoes, and various other hanging fruits. In order for it to
obtain its desired effects it must be applied in concentrations ranging from 20-100 ug/mL. In micro propagation of various plants,
NAA is typically added to a media containing nutrients essential to the plants survival. It is added to help induce root formation in various plant types.
It can also be applied by spraying it on to plants and which is typical in agricultural use. It is prohibited in many areas to use it in high concentrations due to the health concerns towards humans and other animals.
So how about another piece of data? Anyone? The more you know.....
As for being ripped off, they sell the stuff everywhere for 10 bucks.
Not really breaking the bank. Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. Not just some dope at the hydro store.
The Brain hit it dead on, it doesn't help healthy plants. Chuck said he never has unhealthy plants.
Congrats dude, wish I knew your secret (K.I.S.S.). The rest of us do have unhealthy plants from time to time.
I like to think of any kind of gardening to be trial and error. If you find something that works for you,
continue to do it. If it's a hassle and you're not getting results you change it up. This really is not rocket science here.
Plants can be like your kids, you feed them right, talk to them and take care of them and they will reward you.
There are going to be scuffed knees and maybe some broken bones along the way, but ultimately the reward
outweighs the risk involved. Ever try and feed your kids brussel sprouts or rice cakes? Kids don't like that shit!
They will tell you vocally, your plants act the same way they're screaming at you but you can't hear them.
Anyway this is going on far too long.
Chuck, stop screaming your opinions at everyone as if they were from God himself.
Attract more flies with honey than vinegar....
In closing,
!
-dolamic
I have heard about Vitamin B1 only, 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid is in the bottle too.
They account for less than 1%. Has anyone got any hard data on the other 99%? Water maybe?
NAA is a synthetic plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products;
it is a rooting agent and used for the vegetative propagation of plants from stem and leaf cutting. It is also used for plant tissue culture.
The hormone NAA does not occur naturally. In the United States, under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA),
products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides.
(Which is why ST is illegal in those certain states most likely.)
NAA is widely used in agriculture for various purposes. It is considered to be only slightly toxic but when at higher concentrations it can be toxic to animals.
This was shown when tested on rats via oral ingestion at 1000-5900 mg/kg. NAA has been shown to greatly increase cellulose
fiber formation in plants when paired with another phytohormone called gibberellic acid. (HEY! I've heard of that!) Because it is in
the auxin family it has also been understood to prevent premature dropping and thinning of fruits from stems. It is applied after blossom fertilization.
Increased amounts of it can actually have negative effects however, and cause growth inhibition to the development of plant crops.
It has been used on many different crops like apples, olives, oranges, potatoes, and various other hanging fruits. In order for it to
obtain its desired effects it must be applied in concentrations ranging from 20-100 ug/mL. In micro propagation of various plants,
NAA is typically added to a media containing nutrients essential to the plants survival. It is added to help induce root formation in various plant types.
It can also be applied by spraying it on to plants and which is typical in agricultural use. It is prohibited in many areas to use it in high concentrations due to the health concerns towards humans and other animals.
So how about another piece of data? Anyone? The more you know.....
As for being ripped off, they sell the stuff everywhere for 10 bucks.
Not really breaking the bank. Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. Not just some dope at the hydro store.
The Brain hit it dead on, it doesn't help healthy plants. Chuck said he never has unhealthy plants.
Congrats dude, wish I knew your secret (K.I.S.S.). The rest of us do have unhealthy plants from time to time.
I like to think of any kind of gardening to be trial and error. If you find something that works for you,
continue to do it. If it's a hassle and you're not getting results you change it up. This really is not rocket science here.
Plants can be like your kids, you feed them right, talk to them and take care of them and they will reward you.
There are going to be scuffed knees and maybe some broken bones along the way, but ultimately the reward
outweighs the risk involved. Ever try and feed your kids brussel sprouts or rice cakes? Kids don't like that shit!
They will tell you vocally, your plants act the same way they're screaming at you but you can't hear them.
Anyway this is going on far too long.
Chuck, stop screaming your opinions at everyone as if they were from God himself.
Attract more flies with honey than vinegar....
In closing,
!-dolamic
SeeRockCity
Active Member
Yes Chuck can be an asshole... don't think that's in dispute at all...
doesnt make him wrong....
I would say.... maybe use Superthrive if you are an experienced grower or if you feel the benefits may outweigh the risks.
I know I didnt believe it was crap till I spent the $12 and saw my plants die in front of me (i used one drop..in one gallon of spring water, once during veg)
I commend the people that use it successfully...good for you!
but... most of us are looking for organic grows...
Superthrive negates that..... so there is that...
unless you want some Monsantoijuana.....
doesnt make him wrong....
I would say.... maybe use Superthrive if you are an experienced grower or if you feel the benefits may outweigh the risks.
I know I didnt believe it was crap till I spent the $12 and saw my plants die in front of me (i used one drop..in one gallon of spring water, once during veg)
I commend the people that use it successfully...good for you!
but... most of us are looking for organic grows...
Superthrive negates that..... so there is that...
unless you want some Monsantoijuana.....
chuck estevez
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If asking for a debate and giving one, then being told to fuck off is being an asshole, then YES, I am an asshole. I only defended my position, with evidence, not name calling and going thru people's photobucket accounts and talking shit because they have no leg to stand on.
DANKSWAG
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Hi Chuck,
The product in question here SuperThrive, itself has NAA which is scientifically proven to help with root (lateral) growth. The link to the PDF is about B-1 added to any product and it's role in plant health. Which I agree is disputed, not the auxin NAA which is scientifically proven.
Naphthylacetic acid (NAA) is also a commonly used auxin and often the active ingredient in commercial
preparations. NAA tends to be toxic to seedling root development, as it inhibits primary root growth and
enhances lateral root growth. This latter activity may account for NAAs success in regenerating roots of
transplanted and root-pruned trees. Like IBA, NAA apparently suppresses crown growth, which also may
redirect resources to the roots.
I think perhaps marketing is involved, people know the health benefits of B1 in their diet natural assumption good for plant too, easy sell. Who's going by an auxin NAA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superthrive
So I think there is some confusion because the researcher is not saying Superthrive with NAA in it is not beneficial but that B1 is? Superthrive is not the only product claiming to have B1 to support plant health.