common sense gun control, a solution looking for a problem

[Kite High]

2 percent?

doesn't sound like they are exactly "in common use", meaning that a ban on them would be consistent with the second as per the heller decision.

is there any reason why a civilian needs military style firepower?

You're an idiot

 

[nontheist]

no doubt that you speak from personal experience. that explains very nicely why you only dark triad fat and ugly chicks nowadays.

That's pretty fucking lame, you have a fetish with fat chicks and black dicks that all you talk about well besides pointing out you have a small penis. You are a strange little man.

 

[echelon1k1]

You're an idiot

I know that's all that needs to be said.

 

[twostrokenut]

don't believe i ever mentioned anything about citywide firearm bans.

congrats on wifing your lady though

Thanks I'm way happy.........I read everything you told me and my conclusion: GOOSECHASE. You said "in common use" "as per heller"........I think you meant to say as per miller 307US174. Heller decision mentions Miller. Heller supports my argument, Miller supports yours.

 

[UncleBuck]

That's pretty fucking lame, you have a fetish with fat chicks and black dicks that all you talk about well besides pointing out you have a small penis.

you almost got through a sentence without making a mistake. better luck next time.

 

[NoDrama]

2 percent?

doesn't sound like they are exactly "in common use", meaning that a ban on them would be consistent with the second as per the heller decision.

is there any reason why a civilian needs military style firepower?

ummm, there are more than 5 million of them, of JUST AR-15, that doesn't include all the other style of AR rifle. Combined in total you would be talking in numbers of 10-15 million.

Highest numbers of rifles sold by model

Marlin model 60 ........11 Million

Winchester Model 1894 ...........7.5 Million

Ruger 10/22 ...........6 Million


According to this, the AR-15 would be the 3rd or 4th most popular Rifle OF ALL TIME!!

In common use?

One of the common mistakes in statistical analysis is using inappropriate methods, such as dividing the 6 million of one type of rifle into the total existing number of guns , as if there were only 2 types of guns, the AR-15 rifle and everything else.

There are rifles, pistols, revolvers, muzzle loaders, shotguns

Of these types of firearms there are variants of each. like in rifles, there are semi auto, single shot, and bolt action.

You didn't even take the first necessary step in trying to make an accurate measurement.

 

[Doer]

Thanks I'm way happy.........I read everything you told me and my conclusion: GOOSECHASE. You said "in common use" "as per heller"........I think you meant to say as per miller 307US174. Heller decision mentions Miller. Heller supports my argument, Miller supports yours.

Heller supersedes Miller. So, Miller at one time "supported" that argument.

Heller mentions M-16 as an example of the battle rifle in common use. It specifically says. YES. We can have those.

(and btw, trying to ban guns at the city level, like in Tombstone, or Virginia City, or Washingon. DC....NO Denied.)

We have a tiny bit more gun freedom now than in those days, if you think about it.

 

[desert dude]

2 percent?

doesn't sound like they are exactly "in common use", meaning that a ban on them would be consistent with the second as per the heller decision.

is there any reason why a civilian needs military style firepower?

Military "style"... It's all about style over substance with you progtards. A barrel shroud is too stylish to own says Feinstein. She doesn't even know what a barrel shroud is, or what it does. Who are we to argue with our betters when they are such "experts"?

 

[Mr Neutron]

an AR15 is not as good a self defense weapon as a handgun or shotgun.

... or a 20 pound axe?

 

[Beefbisquit]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...rained-citizens-bad-idea&WT.mc_id=SA_Facebook


Great article by Michael Shermer.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 31,672 people died by guns in 2010 (the most recent year for which U.S. figures are available), a staggering number that is orders of magnitude higher than that of comparable Western democracies. What can we do about it? National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre believes he knows: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” If LaPierre means professionally trained police and military who routinely practice shooting at ranges, this observation would at least be partially true. If he means armed private citizens with little to no training, he could not be more wrong.

Consider a 1998 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery that found that “every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.” Pistol owners' fantasy of blowing away home-invading bad guys or street toughs holding up liquor stores is a myth debunked by the data showing that a gun is 22 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for self-defense. I harbored this belief for the 20 years I owned a Ruger .357 Magnum with hollow-point bullets designed to shred the body of anyone who dared to break into my home, but when I learned about these statistics, I got rid of the gun.

More insights can be found in a 2013 book from Johns Hopkins University Press entitled Reducing Gun Violence in America: Informing Policy with Evidence and Analysis, edited by Daniel W. Webster and Jon S. Vernick, both professors in health policy and management at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. In addition to the 31,672 people killed by guns in 2010, another 73,505 were treated in hospital emergency rooms for nonfatal bullet wounds, and 337,960 nonfatal violent crimes were committed with guns. Of those 31,672 dead, 61 percent were suicides, and the vast majority of the rest were homicides by people who knew one another.

For example, of the 1,082 women and 267 men killed in 2010 by their intimate partners, 54 percent were shot by guns. Over the past quarter of a century, guns were involved in greater number of intimate partner homicides than all other causes combined. When a woman is murdered, it is most likely by her intimate partner with a gun. Regardless of what really caused Olympic track star Oscar Pistorius to shoot his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp (whether he mistook her for an intruder or he snapped in a lover's quarrel), her death is only the latest such headline. Recall, too, the fate of Nancy Lanza, killed by her own gun in her own home in Connecticut by her son, Adam Lanza, before he went to Sandy Hook Elementary School to murder some two dozen children and adults. As an alternative to arming women against violent men, legislation can help: data show that in states that prohibit gun ownership by men who have received a domestic violence restraining order, gun-caused homicides of intimate female partners have been reduced by 25 percent.

Another myth to fall to the facts is that gun-control laws disarm good people and leave the crooks with weapons. Not so, say the Johns Hopkins authors: “Strong regulation and oversight of licensed gun dealers—defined as having a state law that required state or local licensing of retail firearm sellers, mandatory record keeping by those sellers, law enforcement access to records for inspection, regular inspections of gun dealers, and mandated reporting of theft of loss of firearms—was associated with 64 percent less diversion of guns to criminals by in-state gun dealers.”

Finally, before we concede civilization and arm everyone to the teeth pace the NRA, consider the primary cause of the centuries-long decline of violence as documented by Steven Pinker in his 2011 book The Better Angels of Our Nature: the rule of law by states that turned over settlement of disputes to judicial courts and curtailed private self-help justice through legitimate use of force by police and military trained in the proper use of weapons.

 

[Mr Neutron]

your slippery slope ridiculousness aside, the second is not "to protect the citizens from a tyrannical government", that would imply absolutism in the second, as in we can keep and bear nuclear bombs and panzer tanks.

Historical evidence from the time of the formation of the Bill of Rights says that is exactly what it is for.

the SCOTUS rejects that silly notion and with good reason as we are no longer fighting with cannon balls and muskets.

Is the SCOTUS incapable of error?

 

[Mr Neutron]

fences and alarms work wonders.

... and 20 pound axes.

 

[Mr Neutron]

why do you think jared loughner changed out mags that still had rounds in them between each classroom so that he had a full high capacity mag for each classroom? makes it easier and more efficient to slaughter kindergarteners, gives them less time to run away when changing mags, that simple.

Jared Loughner shooting up classrooms of kindergarteners? Really? When and where did this happen?

 

[Mr Neutron]

you almost got through a sentence without making a mistake. better luck next time.

why do you think jared loughner changed out mags that still had rounds in them between each classroom so that he had a full high capacity mag for each classroom? makes it easier and more efficient to slaughter kindergarteners, gives them less time to run away when changing mags, that simple.

trying to deflect away from your neverending 16 hour days installing greese traps?

that explains very nicely why you only dark triad fat and ugly chicks nowadays.

Better luck next time, indeed.

 

[Kite High]

Historical evidence from the time of the formation of the Bill of Rights says that is exactly what it is for.



Is the SCOTUS incapable of error?

Stop that! He has the right to worship as he wishes whether or not he cares about others rights. So as he has chosen to worship Scrotums, er I mean SCOTUS then respect his choice of gods.

 

[desert dude]

how many times do you find yourself in grave danger at 800 yards in civilian life?

you are only making the case for what i am saying now. there are weapons meant for military use, and weapons meant for civilian use.

why do you think jared loughner changed out mags that still had rounds in them between each classroom so that he had a full high capacity mag for each classroom? makes it easier and more efficient to slaughter kindergarteners, gives them less time to run away when changing mags, that simple.

thanks for making my case for me though.

Lay off the booze and whores, Buck. Jared Loughner did not shoot anybody in a class room.

 

[Kite High]

how many times do you find yourself in grave danger at 800 yards in civilian life?

you are only making the case for what i am saying now. there are weapons meant for military use, and weapons meant for civilian use.

why do you think jared loughner changed out mags that still had rounds in them between each classroom so that he had a full high capacity mag for each classroom? makes it easier and more efficient to slaughter kindergarteners, gives them less time to run away when changing mags, that simple.

thanks for making my case for me though.

Jared Lee Loughner (pron.: /ˈlɒfnər/; born September 10, 198[SUP][1][/SUP] is an American who pleaded guilty to 19 charges of murder and attempted murder in connection with the shooting in Tucson, Arizona, on January 8, 2011, in which he shot and severely injured U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, his target, and killed six people, including Chief U.S. District Court Judge John Roll, as well as a 9-year-old girl, Christina-Taylor Green.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] Loughner shot and injured 12 other people, and one man was injured while subduing him.[SUP][7]
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On January 8, 2011, U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords and eighteen others were shot during a constituent meeting held in a supermarket parking lot in Casas Adobes, Arizona, in the Tucson metropolitan area.

AGAIN YOU'RE AN IDIOT

 

[Lurkdewitt]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to he security of a free state. The rights of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Face it, nobody can legally own a nuclear weapon in the US and its going to stay that way. Nobody in their right mind would go out and buy a nuke; but what do you see wrong with law abiding citizens owning AR-15's? I just don't get your side of the argument because people that buy them legally and are able to handle them safely never hurt anyone unless confronted in a life or death situation. I agree with expanding back round checks and looking into people's mental condition, but not completely banning any reasonable weapon.

your slippery slope ridiculousness aside, the second is not "to protect the citizens from a tyrannical government", that would imply absolutism in the second, as in we can keep and bear nuclear bombs and panzer tanks.


the SCOTUS rejects that silly notion and with good reason as we are no longer fighting with cannon balls and muskets.

 

[Kite High]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to he security of a free state. The rights of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Face it, nobody can legally own a nuclear weapon in the US and its going to stay that way. Nobody in their right mind would go out and buy a nuke; but what do you see wrong with law abiding citizens owning AR-15's? I just don't get your side of the argument because people that buy them legally and are able to handle them safely never hurt anyone unless confronted in a life or death situation. I agree with expanding back round checks and looking into people's mental condition, but not completely banning any reasonable weapon.

I say leave it alone...too much bs we have to go through already....should look at fixing the society that creates these fools that use illegal arms to do horrible things...but no that would work

Face it its not about protecting the "children"...its an attack on individual freedom

 

[Harrekin]

Common sense gun control is finger off trigger and safety on.

Just IMO.