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https://growerslights.com/collections/led-grow-lights/products/horticulture-lighting-group-260-watt-xw-quantum-board-led-kit?variant=2764371492892 Cheaper, more powerful, better light-spread, and more efficient. Edit: I stand corrected per @CobKits on their efficiency. Looks like they're on...

So we're trolls and bitches for questioning you like you question others? Maybe I had you wrong after all. Hope not.

No trolling here. Just an open discourse that you keep side-stepping. By the way, is Lukio supposed to be the blue one, or am I? Not a fan of pink, don't you know.

I don't think anyone's buying it. Throw that pic up in the plant problems sub-forum and see what kind of responses you get.

I certainly won't argue with that. But to be fair, you come across sort of fanboyish sometimes yourself. Especially when you start in about how HPS grows more potent weed (something that has not been proven to be true - there are lab results that support either side of that argument). Or when...

Yes, those leaves don't look as beat to shit as the ones up against the light. You really don't think all that clawing is indicative of some kind of stress? Edit: that's an honest question, by the way. Not just taking shots; I'd genuinely like to know your take on that clawing.

OP stated that the COBs are dimmed, but didn't clarify if that's dimmed from 700w or to 700w.

Dude, what the fuck? Why are you so hostile today? Chill the hell out, man. You apparently don't realize it, but it just looks like you're projecting your narrative on people. You freaked out on me, insisting that I said things I never said, and meant things that you assumed I meant, and now...

Holy shit, this thread really heated up. Bottom line is that both HID and LED grow great weed. Some of us think one is better than the other, but even though it would be very easy to stay calm about the whole thing, the fanboy bullshit kills almost every damn thread. A little testy behavior now...

My comprehension is working just fine, thanks. And your passive aggression has been on display in this thread for some time, so consider practicing what you preach.

Yeah? And where in my statement does it say that applies to you? It certainly applies to my plants.

I never said anything of the sort. I said that keeping temps above 80 (never said anything about high 80s) has shown to help for many growers. I never said one word about YOUR plants getting sick. I spoke of my personal experience, and it's something plenty of other growers have observed and...

I haven't seen anyone suggesting anything of the sort.

For someone who spends as much time on this forum as you do, you do seem to disregard the success stories and instead just grouse about how full of shit LED proponents are. I notice that you don't tend to comment on the posts that actually support (with data - including those pics you're asking...

I have one strain that shrugs off the low temps. The rest have a rough time. Again, no one person's experience is definitive, but this is a common observation from a number of growers, so it's worth noting.

And I've seen major problems and struggling plants under 80. Goes to show that what works for one should not be assumed to work for another; still, the majority here seem to concur on higher temps being needful. Regardless, it's certainly something that people new to LEDs should consider and...

Your results seem to be more the exception than the rule. May be down to genetics.

Slower growth, deficiencies, generally shittyness.

The thing is, your test will be no more definitive than that of anyone else who's gone as far as getting labs done. The scientific method requires far, far, FAR more than one grower, in one environment, with any given strain, or any given grow-method. It requires years of detailed research...

In my experience (and in many others'), problems happen.