20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

DrFever

New Member
SEATTLE — Canada's so-called Prince of Pot has pleaded guilty to a drug charge in exchange for a five-year prison term.
Marc Emery appeared in U.S. District Court in Seattle on Monday after being extradited last week from Vancouver, British Columbia. He sold millions of marijuana seeds to U.S. customers before his arrest in 2005.
He pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to manufacture marijuana in exchange for an agreed sentence of five years in prison. He is to be sentenced in August, and prosecutors or Emeray may withdraw from the plea deal if the judge issues a different sentence.
 
Hey, thanks for all the super positive comments. Shit.

One time Kitty posted that she wished she could explain what it's like to be a grower in BC. I'm starting to feel similar stirrings. The secrecy of this lifestyle tends to bottle up emotions that would otherwise be released on a regular basis. Guys go to the pub and bitch about work all the time. Career victories are celebrated. Job stresses are talked about and worked through with friends, family, and other people at work. Most people talk about their careers all the time...and with a broad range of people. Not so much in this line.

I started growing with my cousin as a partner in 1990. As we were discussing how not to get caught, he told me "if you need to talk to somebody, call me...only me". He already knew the pressures of an underground lifestyle. In fact, he had just gotten released from prison when we started doing this. He knew all to well that the vast majority of busted guys were the result of rats. I had dabbled in brokering some large pot buys, but nothing full time. I had a real job, made good $$$, had a great house, had a cool chick...life was good. What I didn't know was that entering into this secret world would come with a cost. It seems simple...just don't tell anybody. It is simple. But it's not easy. I've never been the same. Before grow op my life was totally transparent. I never had any secrets or anything to be ashamed of. Ever since then an ever increasing portion of my life has been a secret...known only to the Chosen Few.

This thread has been a great place for me to vent a little. And, of course, laws have changed and the need for absolute secrecy has given way to having lawyers and plants counts. But secrecy is still very important...if not for the cops, for the thieves. Most of you have probably noticed that there are several things I never mention on this thread. Even here I have to "sensor" what I say. A smart person could go through the thread and piece together my approx yield is Lbs/month, but I never say it. And I would never talk about how much money I make. That's rude in any line. Location, of course doesn't come up. Then there's the secrets of other people. I have alot of friends with big ass grow ops. They have placed their very lives and freedom in my hands. But, when you see some of these ops you just HAVE to share it with someone. Before this thread I wouldn't say a word. It's been nice to be able to share some of their stories here without violating their trust in me.

When Kitty said she wanted people to know what it was like, she was frustrated because she knew that no matter how much or how good she wrote, very few people would actually be able to feel what she has felt. The growing experience is a complex and emotional issue. It's one thing to have a 4k bedroom grow op. It's another to have made a living on growing for the vast majority of your adult life. It becomes a big part of who you are. It can become who you are. I've lived in several states, lived with several women, had several houses, and have had several "real" jobs. The one constant has been growing. Everytime I would break up with a girlfriend I would start a massive grow op. Out with the girl, in with the plants.

I could write for a dozen pages explaining just one grow op, and all the feelings that went with it. It's been a lifetime of wonderful experiences. Growing can be so fufilling, and yet draining all at the same time. It evokes many more emotions than other careers. There's so much at stake all the time. I'm going to try and convey some of those feelings here once in a while. I know that I love hearing Kitty's experiences as a BC grower. I hope that someone may get a kick out of some of my experiences as a California commercial grower.
I've read this a few time already. There is so much truth in this post. Even in the beginning stages of my growing experience, I can tell you that it's been a safe haven working on this project taking me away from the rituals of everyday life. I've developed such a passion for this but it does tend to bottle up those emotions that you were talking about.

Thanks for you authenticity, Collective.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
i'm still failing to understand what the 6-year-old politically-motivated arrest of a particularly squeaky wheel has to do with this particular journal..... OR how you can find it "funny" that the frontline activists of our "movement" are being silenced by The Man.

tell me, are you insinuating, then, that cg (and everybody with a doctor's rec in the u.s.) should just stop growing? what is the point of your particular outburst this morning?
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
i'm still failing to understand what the 6-year-old politically-motivated arrest of a particularly squeaky wheel has to do with this particular journal..... OR how you can find it "funny" that the frontline activists of our "movement" are being silenced by The Man.

tell me, are you insinuating, then, that cg (and everybody with a doctor's rec in the u.s.) should just stop growing? what is the point of your particular outburst this morning?
I've been chewing on that one for a while now too...
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
hey Gardener i like way your doc says you can grow up to 99 plants what would DEA or FBI do i they caught you ????? i read every day on these medical MJ grow ops getting raided Why ???? because its illiegal Period

Federal agents reportedly raided several medical marijuana operations in the San Fernando Valley on Wednesday. Agents from multiple federal agencies including the Drug Enforcement Administration, assisted by the Los Angeles Police Department, uncovered pot growing warehouses, according to spokesperson Laura Eimiller.


"Multiple search warrants were executed," Eimiller said. "It involved multiple agencies including the FBI, DEA, LAPD and the ATF and ICE."

i jus tfind it funny when you think a doctors note gives any person a right to grow in any scale have you called your local DEA and mention to them your doin a grow :))
I think the whole 99 plant thing is based on the 5 year minimum for any more than 100 plants. No matter what you do pr pay for, if you have over 100 plants , there's a 5 yr min. that you can't plea or get out of with good behavior.

SEATTLE — Canada's so-called Prince of Pot has pleaded guilty to a drug charge in exchange for a five-year prison term.
Marc Emery appeared in U.S. District Court in Seattle on Monday after being extradited last week from Vancouver, British Columbia. He sold millions of marijuana seeds to U.S. customers before his arrest in 2005.
He pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to manufacture marijuana in exchange for an agreed sentence of five years in prison. He is to be sentenced in August, and prosecutors or Emeray may withdraw from the plea deal if the judge issues a different sentence.
Piece of trash is where he belongs.
 

Joedank

Well-Known Member
CG I don't want to play on you thread but a negative comment about Marc is just unjustified he sent me 100s of seeds alot for free.... Makes me miss overgrow.com ...
i'm still failing to understand what the 6-year-old politically-motivated arrest of a particularly squeaky wheel has to do with this particular journal..... OR how you can find it "funny" that the frontline activists of our "movement" are being silenced by The Man.

tell me, are you insinuating, then, that cg (and everybody with a doctor's rec in the u.s.) should just stop growing? what is the point of your particular outburst this morning?
Edit just so you'll know I reported dr fevers post here as provoking and completely insulting to anyone fighting for the freedom of quality grow medical cannabis ... Thought y'all should know..
 

DrFever

New Member
  1. Police power enacted for the health, peace and MORALS of the people.
  2. It is against the law to cultivate, manufacture, distribute or sell MEDICAL marijuana unless you are 1) a patient, growing six plants as per ARTICLE XVIII; 2) a caregiver, limited by this law’s new, statutory definition, to 5 patients, or 3) a “locally approved” business (a “person” with a local sales tax license) with a state license to cultivate, and sell medical marijuana or edibles.
  3. Established (MJ) businesses (already locally-approved with local sales tax license) must complete application and pay fee by August 1. Newly-approved locally MJ business have 30 days to pay up and apply even though the app may be denied. If you don’t apply it is deemed evidence of “unsatisfactory character, record and reputation” for future application for the state license.
  4. Local governments must, if asked, provide a list of all local “centers” or operations they granted a sales tax license so they can be identified by the state (for enforcement).
  5. Only a patient or a caregiver is entitled to the “affirmative defense.”
  6. Before September 1, 2010 a tax-paying business or an “operation” must certify they grow 70% of medical MJ or edibles.
DEFINITIONS:
“GOOD CAUSE” (TO BE DENIED A STATE LICENSE) IS TO CULTIVATE, MANUFACTURE, OR SELL OR HAVE AN OPERATION THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS 1THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR WELFARE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
“LICENSED PREMISES” MEANS WHERE MED MJ IS CULTIVATED, MANUFACTURED, DISTRIBUTED OR SOLD BY A LICENSEE.
“LICENSEE” A PERSON (NOT PLACE)
“LOCAL LICENSING AUTHORITY” IS DESIGNATED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT probably a regular or special sales tax license, M.L.).
“MEDICAL MJ” IS GROWN AND SOLD AS PER THIS LAW AND ARTICLE XVIII.
“MEDICAL MJ CENTER” IS A PERSON WITH A LICENSE BUT NOT A “PRIMARY CAREGIVER” AS DEFINED IN PART 10
“MED MJ-INFUSED” IS EDIBLES, OINTMENTS AND TINCTURES SOLD OR MANUFACTURED BY A “CENTER.”
“MEDICAL MJ-INFUSED PRODUCTS MANUFACTURER” MEANS A PERSON LICENSED BY THIS LAW.
“OPTIONAL PREMISES” ALLOWED
“OPTIONAL PREMISES CULTIVATION OPERATION” IS A PERSON LICENSED BY THIS LAW.
“PERSON” IS PERSON, PARTNERSHIP, ASSOCIATION, COMPANY, CORP, LLC, ORGANIZATION, MANAGER, AGENT, OWNER, DIRECTOR, SERVANT, OFFICER, OR EMPLOYEE.
“PREMISES” IS A DISTINCT CONTIGUOUS AREA.
“SCHOOL” IS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS WITH CHILDREN.
“STATE LICENSING AUTHORITY” NEW IN THIS STATE.


LIMITED ACCESS AREAS
THE BUILDING OR ROOM WHERE MED MJ IS CULTIVATED, STORED, WEIGHED, DISPLAYED, PACKAGED, SOLD OR POSSESSED FOR SALE AND WHERE ONLY THE LICENSEE IS ALLOWED WEARING A STATE-ISSUED BADGE. THE ENTRY AND EXIT MUST BE POSTED WITH SIGNAGE FROM THE STATE AUTHORITY.
LOCAL OPTION
THE LAW GOES INTO EFFECT STATEWIDE UNLESS A MUNICIPALITY, COUNTY, CITY OR CITY/COUNTY VOTE BY A MAJORITY TO PROHIBIT A MEDICAL MJ CENTER, AN OPTIONAL PREMISES CULTIVATION OPERATION AND/OR A MEDICAL MJ-INFUSED PRODUCTS MANUFACTURER.


PART 2 STATE LICENSING AUTHORITY
Established in the Department of Revenue with its executive director as the head. One employee can be hired per ten centers applying. They get 500k for back ground checks. Funded by a $1 million dollar loan from the Medical MJ Registry, and no money can come from the general fund and this part will be repealed 4/1/2011.
The State Authority grants, refuses and promulgates the rules as well allows moratoriums until the State Authority adopts rules (by Aug 1 deadline for applications & fees, M.L.). By September 1, the State Authority and the Department of Health and Environment must hold a public hearing with all the stakeholders to review all their new rules. (Here is a chance for the public to be heard, M.L.)
The State authority is granted the authority to hold hearings and subpoena records but must maintain the confidentiality of licensee records and books; they must develop the forms etc; they must transmit a report every year to the executive branch; they must request MJ be removed from the Schedule I to the Schedule !! List of dangerous drugs.
The State Authority must make rules applying; to complying, enforcing, or violation; for officers & employees; instructions to local authority, law enforcement; requirements for inspections, investigations and seizures; create a range of penalties for their use; prohibit unfair practices and misrepresentations; control information and product displays: issue I.D.s to “persons” and take their fingerprints; and identify state licensees, their owners, officers, mangers and employees.
The State Authority must make rules applying; to minimum security including lighting, physical security, video and alma requirements; the regulation of storage, warehouses and transportation of medical MJ; sanitary requirements for “Centers” and edible manufacturers; to the specific I.D. From patients using a “Center;” to labels; to records and their availability; to procedures for renewals, reinstatements, licensing, and paying fees; access for the Department of Revenue to their records; rules to authorize the Department of Revenue to issue citations for (to be written, M.L.) violations and penalties; AND NOTHING KEEPS THEM FROM MAKING ANY RULES THEY WANT OR FIXING THE PRICES (Part 2(XX)(B).


PART 3 STATE & LOCAL LICENSING
-The local authority may issue a license for a Medical MJ Center, an Optional Premises Cultivation Operation or a Medical MJ-Infused Products Manufacturer.
-If they don’t set up an authority the municipality, city and county, unincorporated area can adopt the minimum requirements in HB 1284:
  1. Restrict the distance between licensees,
  2. Restrict the size of premises.
The State requires locals to use their forms and they must contain plans, specs and a public hearing posted in the newspaper and on the premises containing the names of the applicants. The State may co-review an application while the locals are also investigating if all the nonrefundable fees are paid.
The Locals have 30 days to refuse or grant the local license upon inspection of the building. The State must be notified if the locals deny app.
State Licensing Fee: $5000.00. Apps on state forms once locals issue license. If denied, Licensee can ask for a hearing, and the reason for denial does not have to be disclosed to applicant or locals until 15 days before the hearing.
Persons who can not get a license:
1. Those who have not paid annual fee.
2. Those whose criminal history reveals they are not of good moral character.
3. A Corp, if officers, directors or stockholders are not of good moral character.
4. A physician who makes recommendations for patients.
5. A person who is funded by one not of good moral character.
6. A person under 21.
7. A person in default on any taxes, judgements, child support, the fees, or a student loan.
8. A person who has a discharged felony more than five years from date of application or any felon ever convicted of possession, distribution or use of a controlled substance.
9. A person who employs another without a criminal background check.
10. No cops or DAs.
11. A person whose primary caregiver status has been revoked by the Dept of Health.
12. A person for a location that is retail food establishment or wholesale food registrant.
13. A person who has not been in COLO TWO YEARS, but for those who apply before 12/15/2010 and were here 12/15/09.
-When a person’s criminal history is investigated and/or mandatory finger prints found lacking, the state may consider evidence of rehabilitation, education and character since the last conviction of a felony in issuing a license.
RESTRICTIONS ON APPS FOR NEW LICENSE:
  1. A location that is within 1000 ft of one already denied in the past two years.
  2. Deed or lease is required before license issued.
  3. Local zoning bans on a center, grow or manufacturer at location applied for.
  4. Location is within 1000 ft of a school, alcohol treatment facility, college, university, or seminary, or a residential childcare facility, subject to local zoning, to be measured from the nearest property line to the nearest portion of the building using a direct pedestrian route.
TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP:
-Is allowed after locals post ten day notice and have a hearing.
-AUTHORIZES A LOCALITY TO PROHIBIT A CENTER, OPTIONAL PREMISE OR A MANUFACTURER IF THE LOCAL ZONING, HEALTH, SAFETY OR PUBLIC WELFARE LAW IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN HB1284.*
-ALL LICENSEES MUST SEND NOTICE OF CHANGE IN OFFICERS, MANGERS, ETC WITHIN 10 DAYS OF CHANGE
-ALL NEW PEOPLE MUST PASS BACK GROUND CHECK AND SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS.
-All “operations” must be for patients only.
-Everyone listed on app must be a CO resident for two years.
License good for two years.
The licensing authorities must consider the effect the granting or denial of a second or third license to the same person would have on restraining competition.
A separate license is required for each specific business, entity or geographical location.
All licenses must be displayed with names and dates.
-Locals can’t transfer or renew without applicant having a state license first for the entire time needed for the locals license.
-All changes in financial interests must be reported in 30 days.
-Each licensee must manage premises their selves or hire a manager (back ground check & fingerprints required).
-A licensee can move within the locality with permission from local and state authority.
*An OPTIONAL PREMISES CULTIVATION OPERATION LOCATION IS CONFIDENTIAL* EXCEPT TO SHARE W LAW ENFORCEMENT!
LICENSE RENEWAL:
-90 days before expiration, the state will notify and licensee has to apply 45 days before expires to locals and 30 days before expires to State. All may be waived, no hearing required unless there were complaints, late filers less than 90 days can pay a $500.00 late fee.
-The State Authority may reduce or increase fees.
INACTIVE LICENSES:
-Revocation after inactivity for one year.
UNLAWFUL FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE:
-Complete disclosure required of all investors and fingerprints with the exception of commercial banks. Intended to block control of a MJ business financed by any other party but the licensee.
Part 4 LICENSE TYPES
  1. Medical MJ Center
  2. Optional Premises Cultivation Operation
  3. Medical MJ-Infused Products Manufacturer
  4. Occupational licenses and registrations issued by State Authority.
-All licensees must collect sales tax on all sales.
-All state chartered financial institutions are allowed to lend money to licensees.
Medical MJ Center:
A) When selling (must be) pre-packaged edibles, the label must say that it contains medical MJ; that it is manufactured without any regulatory oversight; and that there may be a health risk.
B) An edible manufacturer may operate on a center’s premises.
C) A center licensee can only sell MJ grown from their Optional Premises (Does not apply to edible manufacturer).
D) A licensee can only buy 30% of hands-on inventory from another center, nor can a center sell more than 30% of their total inventory.Purchasers must show valid registration card and photo I.D.
E) A center may provide a small amount of MJ to a licensed lab (occupational: 12-43.3-202(2)(a)(IV).
F) All medical MJ must be labeled with a list of chemical additives: nonorganic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers.
G) All centers must be handicapped accessible!
Optional Premises Cultivation Operation: Only a center licensee or edible manufacturer can apply for this license.
Medical MJ-Infused Products Manufacturer:
A) Edibles must be prepared using equipment only for that.
  1. An edible manufacturer is allowed to contract with up to five centers in writing, to produce edibles with the centers’ MJ and the contract must state the amount of MJ used and amount of products produced from the centers’ MJ.
  2. Licensed manufacturers can sell to any licensed center.
  3. Sanitary standards in 12-43.3-202(2)(a)(XII).
  4. All edibles must be sealed and labeled.
  5. No edibles consumed on a licensed premise.
  6. Manufacturer must pay all state and local taxes.
  7. A manufacturer who has an optional premises license can not sell that MJ.

PART 5 FEES
-Cash “Fund” can’t be transferred to the general fund.
Applications for:
Licensees, change location, transfer ownership, renewal and expired license renewal.
-Fees can not exceed costs and must be reviewed.
-Applicants pay for fingerprints and back ground checks
-If the state authority is subpoenaed (does’nt. apply to another gov’t agency), state officers or employees paid fee, meals and milage and a per diem collected in advance of an appearance in court.
  • Locals set own, nonrefundable licensing fees collected in advance.


PART 6 DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS
-State authority can, after a hearing, suspend or revoke a license, levy a fine or “other sanction,” by mail unless a crime involved then licensed can be pulled without notice or hearing.
-Suspension for no longer than 6 months.
-Suspended centers’ patients allowed to transfer their “Primary” center to another. (NOTE: FIRST AND LAST REFERENCE TO “PRIMARY” CENTER.)
-A fine is available allowing operation during suspension to be considered by judicial review and permanently stayed if: 1) the fine achieves the disciplinary purpose, 2) the books and records show la oss suffered during suspension, and 3) there were no other problems during the previous two years.
-FINE: $500.00 to $100,000.00.
_The State and Local authorities must report to the legislature fines, suspensions and revocations yearly.


PART 7 INSPECTION OF BOOKS AND RECORDS
-Licensee must open books (current year and past three) during business hours to the State authority.
-Licensed premises : place of storage, growing, cultivating, sold, or dispensed subject to inspection or investigation anytime including locked areas.
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PART 8 JUDICIAL REVIEW
-Decisions by the State authority are subject to judicial review. “Net” revenue is subject to sales tax.






PART 9 UNLAWFUL ACTS ENFORCEMENT
It is against the law to:
  1. Consume medical MJ on the premises.
  2. Let another use your patient registration card.
  3. To continue to operate a MJ business without a license.
  4. To buy, sell, transfer, give away or acquire medical MJ except as allowed in this law.
  5. To be in a “limited access area” without a “badge.”
  6. To not post entry & exit signs in a “limited access area.”
  7. To fail to report illegal transfers of licenses or name changes.
  8. To display illegal signage or advertise deceptively, or falsely or to mislead.
  9. To provide a public place for consumption of medical MJ in any form.
  10. To sell to someone without a license or a person without a registry card.
  11. To be under 21 and employed by any licensees.
-An employee can confiscate a patient’s card if there reasonable cause to suspect fraud. Failure to turn over card to authority within 72 hours not a crime.
-For a center o possess more than 6 plants and 2 ounces per patient unless patient has a recommendation for more.
-To sell anywhere else but at center (no delivery).
-To have illegal MJ on premises.
-To buy from someone not licensed.
-To sell anywhere else but from a permanent location.
-To possess used paraphernalia on a premise.
-To deliver any place else but from an optional premises to a center.
-To sell, serve, or distribute MJ any other time but between the hours of 8AM and 7PM, 7 days a week.
-To sell, deliver or distribute MJ not grown at a center’s, a manufacturer’s or an optional premises’ own location.
-For a physician to receive any money or anything of value for patient referrals.


PART 10 LEGISLATIVE DECLARATION PROTECTING PATIENTS
-Protects legal patients from criminal prosecution for possession of less than 6 plants or 2 ozs.
-Protects non-card holding patients with an affirmative defense.
-DEFINES Primary Caregiver as a “person other than the patient or the patient’s physician who is 18 and has significant responsibility for managing the well being of patient who has a debilitating medical condition.”
Dept of Regulatory Agencies (DORA) must:
  1. Establish a confidential registry of patient.
  2. Develop an application for patients
  3. Verify medical information.
  4. Issue the registry cards
  5. Tell law enforcement about suspended cards.
  6. Determine the manner in which other debilitating conditions can be added to the list in the constitution.
  7. Allow a waiver for homebound patients to have primary caregiver deliver from center to patient.
The State Health Agency may:
  1. Rule what is “significant responsibility for managing the well being of patient who has a debilitating medical condition.” EXCEPT MJ or MJ paraphernalia by itself is insufficient .
  2. Create a form for “Caregiver’s” with testimony they provide “significant responsibility for managing the well being of patient who has a debilitating medical condition.”
  3. Create a form for the inclusion of “written documentation” of a debilitating condition.
  4. ESTABLISH GROUNDS FOR CHANGING A CAREGIVER!!
  5. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE DEPT OF REVENUE ABOUT THE NEW RULES BY SEPT I , 2010.
PRIMARY CAREGIVERS:
  1. May not delegate authority or assist others in providing medical MJ to a patient.
  2. Tow or more caregivers can not join together to cultivate medical MJ.
  3. Only a center or one with a optional premise, or a manufacturer or a primary caregiver for a patient or themselves can grow medical MJ.
  4. A primary caregiver must provide to law enforcement their patients registry I.D. NUMBER ONLY.
  5. A PRIMARY CAREGIVER IS LIMITED TO FIVE PATIENTS UNLESS THERE IS NO OTHER ACCESS.
  6. A PATIENT CAN ONLY HAVE ONE PRIMARY CAREGIVER.
  7. A PATIENT WHO HAS DESIGNATED THEMSELVES AS THEIR OWN CAREGIVER, MAY NOT HAVE ANOTHER PRIMARY CAREGIVER.
  8. A primary caregiver can not charge more than the costs of cultivation or purchasing medical MJ, but may charge for caretaker services.
  9. THE DEPT OF HEALTH MUST START A CONFIDENTIAL REGISTRY OF AVAILABLE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS FOR PATIENTS WHO DO NOT HAVE ONE.
  10. A registered primary caregiver or an individual can choose to be put on this registry and with their contact information.
  11. The Health Agency can not vouch for the primary caregiver.
  12. The Dept of Health can grant a patient more caregivers and note in registry.
  13. A patient must declare to the registry where they intend to get their medical MJ: a primary caregiver, a center, or cultivate themselves.
REGISTRY CARD:
  1. A patient must have card or photocopy of app and proof of submission when in possession.
  2. If a physician has a violation related to the issuance of medical MJ recommendations ONLY, a patient’s card may be denied or revoked.
  3. A patient OR primary caregiver will have a form to use for renewal every year before its expiration.
  4. The waiver for a homebound patient to have their medical MJ delivered will be on the card and a photocopy must be carried by the primary caregiver. A primary caregiver is also allowed to buy for the homebound patient at a center with the homebound patient’s card.
USE OF MARIJUANA:
A patient or primary caregiver can not use medical MJ (these rules do not apply to a center or a manufacturer):
  1. In a way that endangers the health and welfare of a person (read: children under 18, M.L.)
  2. In plain view or in a public place.
  3. Doing a task vulnerable to negligence or malpractice law suites.
  4. Use on a school grounds or bus.
  5. Use in a correctional facility
  6. Use in a vehicle, aircraft or boat.
  7. Operate, navigate or be in control of any vehicle, aircraft or boat under the influence of medical MJ.
  8. If there is no debilitating condition.
  9. Nor can any person establish a business to permit patients to congregate and smoke (burning a cigarette, cigar, pipe,or any other matter or substance that contains tobacco or medical MJ) or otherwise consume medical MJ.
LIMIT ON CULTIVATION:
-Only registered patients, licensed primary caregivers, Manufacturers and Centers may cultivate medical MJ.
-If the affirmative defense is raised (you need more MJ THAN 6 PALNTS OR 2 OZS.) the burden of proof and costs are on the patient.
FEES CAN NOT EXCEED COST (TABOR)
 

caesar23

Active Member
Why is a moderator hijacking a thread like this? Insane. CG appears to be doing his grow all legal, and is trying to help sick people also. We should have more people like him on this site. I just don't understand a mod acting like this.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
hey Gardener i like way your doc says you can grow up to 99 plants what would DEA or FBI do i they caught you ????? i read every day on these medical MJ grow ops getting raided Why ???? because its illiegal Period

Federal agents reportedly raided several medical marijuana operations in the San Fernando Valley on Wednesday. Agents from multiple federal agencies including the Drug Enforcement Administration, assisted by the Los Angeles Police Department, uncovered pot growing warehouses, according to spokesperson Laura Eimiller.


"Multiple search warrants were executed," Eimiller said. "It involved multiple agencies including the FBI, DEA, LAPD and the ATF and ICE."

i jus tfind it funny when you think a doctors note gives any person a right to grow in any scale have you called your local DEA and mention to them your doin a grow :))
dude quit being a hater and get you weight up son.
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
  1. Police power enacted for the health, peace and MORALS of the people.
  2. It is against the law to cultivate, manufacture, distribute or sell MEDICAL marijuana unless you are 1) a patient, growing six plants as per ARTICLE XVIII; 2) a caregiver, limited by this law’s new, statutory definition, to 5 patients, or 3) a “locally approved” business (a “person” with a local sales tax license) with a state license to cultivate, and sell medical marijuana or edibles.
  3. Established (MJ) businesses (already locally-approved with local sales tax license) must complete application and pay fee by August 1. Newly-approved locally MJ business have 30 days to pay up and apply even though the app may be denied. If you don’t apply it is deemed evidence of “unsatisfactory character, record and reputation” for future application for the state license.
  4. Local governments must, if asked, provide a list of all local “centers” or operations they granted a sales tax license so they can be identified by the state (for enforcement).
  5. Only a patient or a caregiver is entitled to the “affirmative defense.”
  6. Before September 1, 2010 a tax-paying business or an “operation” must certify they grow 70% of medical MJ or edibles.
DEFINITIONS:
“GOOD CAUSE” (TO BE DENIED A STATE LICENSE) IS TO CULTIVATE, MANUFACTURE, OR SELL OR HAVE AN OPERATION THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS 1THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR WELFARE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
“LICENSED PREMISES” MEANS WHERE MED MJ IS CULTIVATED, MANUFACTURED, DISTRIBUTED OR SOLD BY A LICENSEE.
“LICENSEE” A PERSON (NOT PLACE)
“LOCAL LICENSING AUTHORITY” IS DESIGNATED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT probably a regular or special sales tax license, M.L.).
“MEDICAL MJ” IS GROWN AND SOLD AS PER THIS LAW AND ARTICLE XVIII.
“MEDICAL MJ CENTER” IS A PERSON WITH A LICENSE BUT NOT A “PRIMARY CAREGIVER” AS DEFINED IN PART 10
“MED MJ-INFUSED” IS EDIBLES, OINTMENTS AND TINCTURES SOLD OR MANUFACTURED BY A “CENTER.”
“MEDICAL MJ-INFUSED PRODUCTS MANUFACTURER” MEANS A PERSON LICENSED BY THIS LAW.
“OPTIONAL PREMISES” ALLOWED
“OPTIONAL PREMISES CULTIVATION OPERATION” IS A PERSON LICENSED BY THIS LAW.
“PERSON” IS PERSON, PARTNERSHIP, ASSOCIATION, COMPANY, CORP, LLC, ORGANIZATION, MANAGER, AGENT, OWNER, DIRECTOR, SERVANT, OFFICER, OR EMPLOYEE.
“PREMISES” IS A DISTINCT CONTIGUOUS AREA.
“SCHOOL” IS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS WITH CHILDREN.
“STATE LICENSING AUTHORITY” NEW IN THIS STATE.


LIMITED ACCESS AREAS
THE BUILDING OR ROOM WHERE MED MJ IS CULTIVATED, STORED, WEIGHED, DISPLAYED, PACKAGED, SOLD OR POSSESSED FOR SALE AND WHERE ONLY THE LICENSEE IS ALLOWED WEARING A STATE-ISSUED BADGE. THE ENTRY AND EXIT MUST BE POSTED WITH SIGNAGE FROM THE STATE AUTHORITY.
LOCAL OPTION
THE LAW GOES INTO EFFECT STATEWIDE UNLESS A MUNICIPALITY, COUNTY, CITY OR CITY/COUNTY VOTE BY A MAJORITY TO PROHIBIT A MEDICAL MJ CENTER, AN OPTIONAL PREMISES CULTIVATION OPERATION AND/OR A MEDICAL MJ-INFUSED PRODUCTS MANUFACTURER.


PART 2 STATE LICENSING AUTHORITY
Established in the Department of Revenue with its executive director as the head. One employee can be hired per ten centers applying. They get 500k for back ground checks. Funded by a $1 million dollar loan from the Medical MJ Registry, and no money can come from the general fund and this part will be repealed 4/1/2011.
The State Authority grants, refuses and promulgates the rules as well allows moratoriums until the State Authority adopts rules (by Aug 1 deadline for applications & fees, M.L.). By September 1, the State Authority and the Department of Health and Environment must hold a public hearing with all the stakeholders to review all their new rules. (Here is a chance for the public to be heard, M.L.)
The State authority is granted the authority to hold hearings and subpoena records but must maintain the confidentiality of licensee records and books; they must develop the forms etc; they must transmit a report every year to the executive branch; they must request MJ be removed from the Schedule I to the Schedule !! List of dangerous drugs.
The State Authority must make rules applying; to complying, enforcing, or violation; for officers & employees; instructions to local authority, law enforcement; requirements for inspections, investigations and seizures; create a range of penalties for their use; prohibit unfair practices and misrepresentations; control information and product displays: issue I.D.s to “persons” and take their fingerprints; and identify state licensees, their owners, officers, mangers and employees.
The State Authority must make rules applying; to minimum security including lighting, physical security, video and alma requirements; the regulation of storage, warehouses and transportation of medical MJ; sanitary requirements for “Centers” and edible manufacturers; to the specific I.D. From patients using a “Center;” to labels; to records and their availability; to procedures for renewals, reinstatements, licensing, and paying fees; access for the Department of Revenue to their records; rules to authorize the Department of Revenue to issue citations for (to be written, M.L.) violations and penalties; AND NOTHING KEEPS THEM FROM MAKING ANY RULES THEY WANT OR FIXING THE PRICES (Part 2(XX)(B).


PART 3 STATE & LOCAL LICENSING
-The local authority may issue a license for a Medical MJ Center, an Optional Premises Cultivation Operation or a Medical MJ-Infused Products Manufacturer.
-If they don’t set up an authority the municipality, city and county, unincorporated area can adopt the minimum requirements in HB 1284:
  1. Restrict the distance between licensees,
  2. Restrict the size of premises.
The State requires locals to use their forms and they must contain plans, specs and a public hearing posted in the newspaper and on the premises containing the names of the applicants. The State may co-review an application while the locals are also investigating if all the nonrefundable fees are paid.
The Locals have 30 days to refuse or grant the local license upon inspection of the building. The State must be notified if the locals deny app.
State Licensing Fee: $5000.00. Apps on state forms once locals issue license. If denied, Licensee can ask for a hearing, and the reason for denial does not have to be disclosed to applicant or locals until 15 days before the hearing.
Persons who can not get a license:
1. Those who have not paid annual fee.
2. Those whose criminal history reveals they are not of good moral character.
3. A Corp, if officers, directors or stockholders are not of good moral character.
4. A physician who makes recommendations for patients.
5. A person who is funded by one not of good moral character.
6. A person under 21.
7. A person in default on any taxes, judgements, child support, the fees, or a student loan.
8. A person who has a discharged felony more than five years from date of application or any felon ever convicted of possession, distribution or use of a controlled substance.
9. A person who employs another without a criminal background check.
10. No cops or DAs.
11. A person whose primary caregiver status has been revoked by the Dept of Health.
12. A person for a location that is retail food establishment or wholesale food registrant.
13. A person who has not been in COLO TWO YEARS, but for those who apply before 12/15/2010 and were here 12/15/09.
-When a person’s criminal history is investigated and/or mandatory finger prints found lacking, the state may consider evidence of rehabilitation, education and character since the last conviction of a felony in issuing a license.
RESTRICTIONS ON APPS FOR NEW LICENSE:
  1. A location that is within 1000 ft of one already denied in the past two years.
  2. Deed or lease is required before license issued.
  3. Local zoning bans on a center, grow or manufacturer at location applied for.
  4. Location is within 1000 ft of a school, alcohol treatment facility, college, university, or seminary, or a residential childcare facility, subject to local zoning, to be measured from the nearest property line to the nearest portion of the building using a direct pedestrian route.
TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP:
-Is allowed after locals post ten day notice and have a hearing.
-AUTHORIZES A LOCALITY TO PROHIBIT A CENTER, OPTIONAL PREMISE OR A MANUFACTURER IF THE LOCAL ZONING, HEALTH, SAFETY OR PUBLIC WELFARE LAW IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN HB1284.*
-ALL LICENSEES MUST SEND NOTICE OF CHANGE IN OFFICERS, MANGERS, ETC WITHIN 10 DAYS OF CHANGE
-ALL NEW PEOPLE MUST PASS BACK GROUND CHECK AND SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS.
-All “operations” must be for patients only.
-Everyone listed on app must be a CO resident for two years.
License good for two years.
The licensing authorities must consider the effect the granting or denial of a second or third license to the same person would have on restraining competition.
A separate license is required for each specific business, entity or geographical location.
All licenses must be displayed with names and dates.
-Locals can’t transfer or renew without applicant having a state license first for the entire time needed for the locals license.
-All changes in financial interests must be reported in 30 days.
-Each licensee must manage premises their selves or hire a manager (back ground check & fingerprints required).
-A licensee can move within the locality with permission from local and state authority.
*An OPTIONAL PREMISES CULTIVATION OPERATION LOCATION IS CONFIDENTIAL* EXCEPT TO SHARE W LAW ENFORCEMENT!
LICENSE RENEWAL:
-90 days before expiration, the state will notify and licensee has to apply 45 days before expires to locals and 30 days before expires to State. All may be waived, no hearing required unless there were complaints, late filers less than 90 days can pay a $500.00 late fee.
-The State Authority may reduce or increase fees.
INACTIVE LICENSES:
-Revocation after inactivity for one year.
UNLAWFUL FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE:
-Complete disclosure required of all investors and fingerprints with the exception of commercial banks. Intended to block control of a MJ business financed by any other party but the licensee.
Part 4 LICENSE TYPES
  1. Medical MJ Center
  2. Optional Premises Cultivation Operation
  3. Medical MJ-Infused Products Manufacturer
  4. Occupational licenses and registrations issued by State Authority.
-All licensees must collect sales tax on all sales.
-All state chartered financial institutions are allowed to lend money to licensees.
Medical MJ Center:
A) When selling (must be) pre-packaged edibles, the label must say that it contains medical MJ; that it is manufactured without any regulatory oversight; and that there may be a health risk.
B) An edible manufacturer may operate on a center’s premises.
C) A center licensee can only sell MJ grown from their Optional Premises (Does not apply to edible manufacturer).
D) A licensee can only buy 30% of hands-on inventory from another center, nor can a center sell more than 30% of their total inventory.Purchasers must show valid registration card and photo I.D.
E) A center may provide a small amount of MJ to a licensed lab (occupational: 12-43.3-202(2)(a)(IV).
F) All medical MJ must be labeled with a list of chemical additives: nonorganic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers.
G) All centers must be handicapped accessible!
Optional Premises Cultivation Operation: Only a center licensee or edible manufacturer can apply for this license.
Medical MJ-Infused Products Manufacturer:
A) Edibles must be prepared using equipment only for that.
  1. An edible manufacturer is allowed to contract with up to five centers in writing, to produce edibles with the centers’ MJ and the contract must state the amount of MJ used and amount of products produced from the centers’ MJ.
  2. Licensed manufacturers can sell to any licensed center.
  3. Sanitary standards in 12-43.3-202(2)(a)(XII).
  4. All edibles must be sealed and labeled.
  5. No edibles consumed on a licensed premise.
  6. Manufacturer must pay all state and local taxes.
  7. A manufacturer who has an optional premises license can not sell that MJ.

PART 5 FEES
-Cash “Fund” can’t be transferred to the general fund.
Applications for:
Licensees, change location, transfer ownership, renewal and expired license renewal.
-Fees can not exceed costs and must be reviewed.
-Applicants pay for fingerprints and back ground checks
-If the state authority is subpoenaed (does’nt. apply to another gov’t agency), state officers or employees paid fee, meals and milage and a per diem collected in advance of an appearance in court.
  • Locals set own, nonrefundable licensing fees collected in advance.


PART 6 DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS
-State authority can, after a hearing, suspend or revoke a license, levy a fine or “other sanction,” by mail unless a crime involved then licensed can be pulled without notice or hearing.
-Suspension for no longer than 6 months.
-Suspended centers’ patients allowed to transfer their “Primary” center to another. (NOTE: FIRST AND LAST REFERENCE TO “PRIMARY” CENTER.)
-A fine is available allowing operation during suspension to be considered by judicial review and permanently stayed if: 1) the fine achieves the disciplinary purpose, 2) the books and records show la oss suffered during suspension, and 3) there were no other problems during the previous two years.
-FINE: $500.00 to $100,000.00.
_The State and Local authorities must report to the legislature fines, suspensions and revocations yearly.


PART 7 INSPECTION OF BOOKS AND RECORDS
-Licensee must open books (current year and past three) during business hours to the State authority.
-Licensed premises : place of storage, growing, cultivating, sold, or dispensed subject to inspection or investigation anytime including locked areas.
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PART 8 JUDICIAL REVIEW
-Decisions by the State authority are subject to judicial review. “Net” revenue is subject to sales tax.






PART 9 UNLAWFUL ACTS ENFORCEMENT
It is against the law to:
  1. Consume medical MJ on the premises.
  2. Let another use your patient registration card.
  3. To continue to operate a MJ business without a license.
  4. To buy, sell, transfer, give away or acquire medical MJ except as allowed in this law.
  5. To be in a “limited access area” without a “badge.”
  6. To not post entry & exit signs in a “limited access area.”
  7. To fail to report illegal transfers of licenses or name changes.
  8. To display illegal signage or advertise deceptively, or falsely or to mislead.
  9. To provide a public place for consumption of medical MJ in any form.
  10. To sell to someone without a license or a person without a registry card.
  11. To be under 21 and employed by any licensees.
-An employee can confiscate a patient’s card if there reasonable cause to suspect fraud. Failure to turn over card to authority within 72 hours not a crime.
-For a center o possess more than 6 plants and 2 ounces per patient unless patient has a recommendation for more.
-To sell anywhere else but at center (no delivery).
-To have illegal MJ on premises.
-To buy from someone not licensed.
-To sell anywhere else but from a permanent location.
-To possess used paraphernalia on a premise.
-To deliver any place else but from an optional premises to a center.
-To sell, serve, or distribute MJ any other time but between the hours of 8AM and 7PM, 7 days a week.
-To sell, deliver or distribute MJ not grown at a center’s, a manufacturer’s or an optional premises’ own location.
-For a physician to receive any money or anything of value for patient referrals.


PART 10 LEGISLATIVE DECLARATION PROTECTING PATIENTS
-Protects legal patients from criminal prosecution for possession of less than 6 plants or 2 ozs.
-Protects non-card holding patients with an affirmative defense.
-DEFINES Primary Caregiver as a “person other than the patient or the patient’s physician who is 18 and has significant responsibility for managing the well being of patient who has a debilitating medical condition.”
Dept of Regulatory Agencies (DORA) must:
  1. Establish a confidential registry of patient.
  2. Develop an application for patients
  3. Verify medical information.
  4. Issue the registry cards
  5. Tell law enforcement about suspended cards.
  6. Determine the manner in which other debilitating conditions can be added to the list in the constitution.
  7. Allow a waiver for homebound patients to have primary caregiver deliver from center to patient.
The State Health Agency may:
  1. Rule what is “significant responsibility for managing the well being of patient who has a debilitating medical condition.” EXCEPT MJ or MJ paraphernalia by itself is insufficient .
  2. Create a form for “Caregiver’s” with testimony they provide “significant responsibility for managing the well being of patient who has a debilitating medical condition.”
  3. Create a form for the inclusion of “written documentation” of a debilitating condition.
  4. ESTABLISH GROUNDS FOR CHANGING A CAREGIVER!!
  5. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE DEPT OF REVENUE ABOUT THE NEW RULES BY SEPT I , 2010.
PRIMARY CAREGIVERS:
  1. May not delegate authority or assist others in providing medical MJ to a patient.
  2. Tow or more caregivers can not join together to cultivate medical MJ.
  3. Only a center or one with a optional premise, or a manufacturer or a primary caregiver for a patient or themselves can grow medical MJ.
  4. A primary caregiver must provide to law enforcement their patients registry I.D. NUMBER ONLY.
  5. A PRIMARY CAREGIVER IS LIMITED TO FIVE PATIENTS UNLESS THERE IS NO OTHER ACCESS.
  6. A PATIENT CAN ONLY HAVE ONE PRIMARY CAREGIVER.
  7. A PATIENT WHO HAS DESIGNATED THEMSELVES AS THEIR OWN CAREGIVER, MAY NOT HAVE ANOTHER PRIMARY CAREGIVER.
  8. A primary caregiver can not charge more than the costs of cultivation or purchasing medical MJ, but may charge for caretaker services.
  9. THE DEPT OF HEALTH MUST START A CONFIDENTIAL REGISTRY OF AVAILABLE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS FOR PATIENTS WHO DO NOT HAVE ONE.
  10. A registered primary caregiver or an individual can choose to be put on this registry and with their contact information.
  11. The Health Agency can not vouch for the primary caregiver.
  12. The Dept of Health can grant a patient more caregivers and note in registry.
  13. A patient must declare to the registry where they intend to get their medical MJ: a primary caregiver, a center, or cultivate themselves.
REGISTRY CARD:
  1. A patient must have card or photocopy of app and proof of submission when in possession.
  2. If a physician has a violation related to the issuance of medical MJ recommendations ONLY, a patient’s card may be denied or revoked.
  3. A patient OR primary caregiver will have a form to use for renewal every year before its expiration.
  4. The waiver for a homebound patient to have their medical MJ delivered will be on the card and a photocopy must be carried by the primary caregiver. A primary caregiver is also allowed to buy for the homebound patient at a center with the homebound patient’s card.
USE OF MARIJUANA:
A patient or primary caregiver can not use medical MJ (these rules do not apply to a center or a manufacturer):
  1. In a way that endangers the health and welfare of a person (read: children under 18, M.L.)
  2. In plain view or in a public place.
  3. Doing a task vulnerable to negligence or malpractice law suites.
  4. Use on a school grounds or bus.
  5. Use in a correctional facility
  6. Use in a vehicle, aircraft or boat.
  7. Operate, navigate or be in control of any vehicle, aircraft or boat under the influence of medical MJ.
  8. If there is no debilitating condition.
  9. Nor can any person establish a business to permit patients to congregate and smoke (burning a cigarette, cigar, pipe,or any other matter or substance that contains tobacco or medical MJ) or otherwise consume medical MJ.
LIMIT ON CULTIVATION:
-Only registered patients, licensed primary caregivers, Manufacturers and Centers may cultivate medical MJ.
-If the affirmative defense is raised (you need more MJ THAN 6 PALNTS OR 2 OZS.) the burden of proof and costs are on the patient.
FEES CAN NOT EXCEED COST (TABOR)

Thank you for quoting Colorado law. What does this have to do with me in California?
 

dapio

Well-Known Member
CG has his lawyers paid up none of these guidelines are worth a damn its not what you know its what you can prove in court welcome to America
 

DrFever

New Member
first off guys i never verbally attacked anyone do i find it hard to believe its liegal Yes i do to grow 99 plants or what ever when i know of a person that can grow MJ and is only allowed like 4 inside and 2 outside i search the net and it says pretty much the same thing hey CG dont get me wrong this is a forum where even here charters and rights still exsist where any person on here doesnt have to believe if your growing legit all the power to you if thats all you need is a doctors note dam
i should of went to my mother who is a doctor and got a legit paper saying 2000 plants right
Lawyers are another thing they will say anything but the hard fact is what can be done dont take my posts as a insult or anything i realized before your from cali area a am from another country all together

Also for the replys theres no need to attack me either saying i am against MJ reform or anything but can assure you one thing theres more corruptness in our government that prob makes it hard to make MJ liegal when you really think about MJ is big money i know first hand TRUST ME so anyway CG get back to work let this thread carry on cheers fellow members
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
first off guys i never verbally attacked anyone do i find it hard to believe its liegal Yes i do to grow 99 plants or what ever when i know of a person that can grow MJ and is only allowed like 4 inside and 2 outside i search the net and it says pretty much the same thing hey CG dont get me wrong this is a forum where even here charters and rights still exsist where any person on here doesnt have to believe if your growing legit all the power to you if thats all you need is a doctors note dam
i should of went to my mother who is a doctor and got a legit paper saying 2000 plants right
Lawyers are another thing they will say anything but the hard fact is what can be done dont take my posts as a insult or anything i realized before your from cali area a am from another country all together

Also for the replys theres no need to attack me either saying i am against MJ reform or anything but can assure you one thing theres more corruptness in our government that prob makes it hard to make MJ liegal when you really think about MJ is big money i know first hand TRUST ME so anyway CG get back to work let this thread carry on cheers fellow members
Trust me, your posts were extremely inflamatory. It's not like it was just me who saw them that way. Look at the thread. Every response to your comment was negative.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You know nothing of California Medical Marijuana Law. It is quite obvious that you get a kick out of people being busted for growing/distributing. You think it's "funny" that I think I can grow what I grow with a Doc's note? I suggest you take a couple hrs, read my entire thread, and get an education on exactly what it is I do.

Do you know what collective is? Let's say a husband can grow 6 mature plants, and a wife can grow 6 mature plants. This means, together, they can grow 12 mature plants. If the husband worked out of town, the wife would be taking care of 12 mature plants. This is perfectly legal, right? (trust me...it is) What I do is no different. I grow for a group of people that cannot grow their own for whatever reason. Growing costs money, right? I can be reimbursed for the costs incurred to grow the member's weed. This means the rent, the power, the nutes, and the LABOR. At the end of every cycle, I add up all the growing costs, divide that number by the quantity produced, and come up with a pound price. This is what our members pay for their medicine...not one dime more. If we produce more than our members need, the overage is sold to other collectives who have produced LESS than their members need. this keeps the cost to our members quite low. Our members, many of whom are quite sick, pay about half the average retail cost for their medication. This is why they have joined our collective. Ours is a collective for heavy users who cannot afford to buy their meds elsewhere.

I would also like to point out that we give away several ounces every month to needy patients. I donate to a delivery service who only sells to cancer and AIDS patients. Our members all agreed to pay a tad extra for their meds so that we can do this.

I assure you that we are 100% legal under California Law...where we live...where we grow....where it matters to us. Your disdain for larger grow ops is so obvious. You state that you think I am illegal. Why do you care? You suggest I contact the DEA. Would that entertain you...me being marched off in handcuffs to spend a decade away from my wife and family?

We are fighting a war here. The People of several states have approved the use of Medical Marijuana, yet the Feds continue to send people to prison for doing something perfectly legal under state law. I don't know what country you're from and I really don't care. But, you really need to pick a side. I find it absurd that a Mod here is taking the anti-medical marijuana side. This will not encourage people to visit this site. I came here to back up and help other growers, and to recieve the same. What are you doing here?
 

DrFever

New Member
CG let it go i didnt mean to make it sound that way if it was i am sure the big hand of rollitup would of deleted my posts and i would of got my hand slapped but as you can see it wasn;t we are all on the internet and its real easy to think a person is being one way when he is not thats the problem in many forums and things get out of hand like the last 3 pages i didnt break any forum rules
even as a mod i am still a person like you or anyother member on this site

and also might i add you just contradicted your self saying your liegal then on other end postin this

You suggest I contact the DEA. Would that entertain you...me being marched off in handcuffs to spend a decade away from my wife and family
 
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