I use AN 3-part and have found it to perform as expected, nothing spectacular or anything, but it works. Actually, if you look at the nutrient ratios and derivatives, AN's 3 part is identical to GH's 3 part flora series. It seems that these two formulas are exactly the same. I have nothing bad to say about AN, but they probably spend most of their capital on marketing, which is fine. Ultimately, it's up to the consumer whether they want to buy it or not, so there's no controversy here. I think I will probably purchase the GH flora series next though, for three reasons: a) to do a comparison of GH vs. AN, b) GH products always have a complete detailed nutrient analysis on their bottles, and c) GH products aren't over-priced.
Advanced Nutrients Question
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slomoking13
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what if advanced nutrients was just co packing other nutrients so they could make money off of marketing and distributing and the other companies could avoid advertising towards marijuana? conspiracy theory...? that would be hilarious if it was just the same stuff with different packaging or maybe diluted/concentrated just a little differently to adjust the usage rates hahahaha
fatman7574
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Actually I have no idea wg hat your talking about as I do not even know how to leave someone a negative feedback. I have no idea how to leave any kind of feedback. You being as you are though I can see why someone might do so however. You have a pretty toxic language/vocabulary for use on an open public forum. It is quite likely you well earned it. Does your mother and father know you spend your time writing such stuff on the forums while they sit in the other room, or did they boot you out of their home already?
BLUElightin
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wow is that all u really do u just go onto forums try to put other ppl down and talk shit about wat ppl are sayin just to make urself feel better i must say im more sry for u than i eva was before. so lemme take a crack at u , u were the fat nerdy kid in highschool who got picked on by everyone had max of 2 friends didnt get laid till college and even then she was passed out on a bed and couldnt feel anything anyways so now u feel like a man u smoke and u got laid ooh ur soo much cooler than everyone daps to u man i wanna be just like u when i grow up. really go find a life this shit is to help ppl who got questions not to critic every thing about them and wat they think.
fatman7574
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I don't hate AN products, they are simply OK, nothing special. If you look at most of their main line products formulations, also sold by others, they are merely average and often within a very small degree the same as those sold by others such as GH.
I do deplore AN prices and their unethical owners. When considering what they demand for their products it does not make one feel good to see them standing in front of a Hummer, an a line of other expensive vehicles, while wearing $500 shoes and such. It is to much like buying a bag of bud from a dealer wearing five pounds of gold chains around their necks who tell you their average crap is the best so it costs more.
AN is saying "we support Norml by sending them money," means very little when they also support the war on drugs that keeps them rich. Thousands of people have been sent to prisons trying to get those layers of gold chains, that are no different then the Beamers and Hummers etc. Maybe we all should move across foreign borders and sell grossly over priced products to drug manafactures so we can all have Beamers and Hummers. We can all just say they broke the law we didn't force then to use our product to produce illegal drugs we merely hinted that our products are specifically designed for growing drugs and no one elses products are.
Every time a grower that goes to jail has a bottle of one of there products in the searched area, one of them should be deported and locked up also. They profitted hugely by the crime. And that is not even a requirement of a conspiracy crime. IMO They're asking to be *crewed every time they sell a pot grower a product at a huge financial gain, when it was intentionally formulated and manafactured with the intent to sell to illicit growers to grow illicit crops, therefore I think they deserve what they are asking for. Haven't they ever heard of the don't ask don't tell policies. American manafacturers simply keep their mouths shut, tather than running at the mouth to increase their sells and profits.
I do deplore AN prices and their unethical owners. When considering what they demand for their products it does not make one feel good to see them standing in front of a Hummer, an a line of other expensive vehicles, while wearing $500 shoes and such. It is to much like buying a bag of bud from a dealer wearing five pounds of gold chains around their necks who tell you their average crap is the best so it costs more.
AN is saying "we support Norml by sending them money," means very little when they also support the war on drugs that keeps them rich. Thousands of people have been sent to prisons trying to get those layers of gold chains, that are no different then the Beamers and Hummers etc. Maybe we all should move across foreign borders and sell grossly over priced products to drug manafactures so we can all have Beamers and Hummers. We can all just say they broke the law we didn't force then to use our product to produce illegal drugs we merely hinted that our products are specifically designed for growing drugs and no one elses products are.
Every time a grower that goes to jail has a bottle of one of there products in the searched area, one of them should be deported and locked up also. They profitted hugely by the crime. And that is not even a requirement of a conspiracy crime. IMO They're asking to be *crewed every time they sell a pot grower a product at a huge financial gain, when it was intentionally formulated and manafactured with the intent to sell to illicit growers to grow illicit crops, therefore I think they deserve what they are asking for. Haven't they ever heard of the don't ask don't tell policies. American manafacturers simply keep their mouths shut, tather than running at the mouth to increase their sells and profits.
fatman7574
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Grow up dude. You have no idea what or who your talking about.
BLUElightin
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says the person makin this comment
GreedAndVanity
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I use advanced nutes, have great results. I do not attribute this to the company however except to say their nutes are designed better for how I and I mean I feed.
There are growers on here that pull down dank buds in bulk with nothing but a little generic nutes.
For the way I feed my plants advanced nutes so far has beat everyone I have tried.
Also I do believe that the blends of more expensive nutrient are generally a little more varied as to which compounds they contain. Which allows for the possibility of greater availability. When push comes to shove though Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium nitrate etc etc, if you notice they are all generally comprised of NP or K.
There are growers on here that pull down dank buds in bulk with nothing but a little generic nutes.
For the way I feed my plants advanced nutes so far has beat everyone I have tried.
Also I do believe that the blends of more expensive nutrient are generally a little more varied as to which compounds they contain. Which allows for the possibility of greater availability. When push comes to shove though Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium nitrate etc etc, if you notice they are all generally comprised of NP or K.
fatman7574
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BLUElightin
Oh yeah I get real toxic, I call myself names like *sshole, and I write "Hell." I do not use vulagar language but merely address childish behavoir and those persons words as if they come from a child. Like I was saying have you made it outside your mamma and daddies home yet. No vulgarities there.
Oh yeah I get real toxic, I call myself names like *sshole, and I write "Hell." I do not use vulagar language but merely address childish behavoir and those persons words as if they come from a child. Like I was saying have you made it outside your mamma and daddies home yet. No vulgarities there.
fatman7574
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Actually when it comes to nearly all of the better grade aeroponic and hydroponic (i.e. soil less) nutrient fomulas they pretty much all use the same fertilizer chemicals, chelates and oxides with only minor differences in the proportions. Even the lower grades use the same but usually use little or no trace elements, bust Macro and secondary and they might throw in some iron. Ammonium Nitrate is pretty much avoided or at least very limited (15% ammonium as a total of all nitrogen at most) and preferably none at budding. Calcium Nitarate is actually the heaviest used chemical in aeroponic/hydroponic nutrient formulas with Potassium Nittrate actually being neare the bottom of the list in reagard to those chemicals suplying major nutrients as it contains so much potassium. Potassium Nittate is actually considered a bumper for nitrate and phosphate and as such is only used to increases those chemicals when they are not supplied at high enough levels by better choices. Nutrients for soil medai and organic nutrient formulations are all in a different ball park entirely.
GreedAndVanity
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GreedAndVanity
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So basically you said hey when there are not high enough levels of one chemical it will rely on another!
Do you think the plant has a choice and are you saying that having a various array of availability is not superior?
The beauty of this is that we are dealing with fungi and bacteria as well which have a much different digestive system which then feed the plant. Although the array may not benefit plants directly as much the whole kit and kaboodle it is still a noteable effect and is worth something...
Fungi digest less desirable chemicals into benefitial ones.
Do you think the plant has a choice and are you saying that having a various array of availability is not superior?
The beauty of this is that we are dealing with fungi and bacteria as well which have a much different digestive system which then feed the plant. Although the array may not benefit plants directly as much the whole kit and kaboodle it is still a noteable effect and is worth something...
Fungi digest less desirable chemicals into benefitial ones.
ledgrowing
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hey ihave run my own test i used general hydrop ponics vs sensi growand bloom 1 and 2 with a few goodies at budtime people who say an dosent work better simply never used it its that simple igot a 40% increase in dry weight witha way stronger high same plants same flower cycle same enviroment i use sensi 1 and 2 bloom 1 and 2 sensizyme ,bigbud liquid, bud candy, bud factor x , bud ignitor and over drive and some times i will throw in rhino skin if i have extra cash
fatman7574
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Just look at the basic formulas of the comparable product produced by GH versus AN. They are essentially the same so you will get essentially the same results. Of course when you compare unlike products you will get unlike results. GH makes apples, AN makes apples but also makes oranges. You need to test apples against apples, not apples against oranges. Like anlaysis products will produce like results when used at like concentrations on like plants given that all other conditions match. As an example 12-12-12 fertilizers produced by different manafacturers with the same chemical formulations will produce the same results regardless of wahat you paid or who you bought it from. The very same fertilizers tested on the tomatoes versus pot plants deoes not matter if they are still the same formulations. Marketing hype and unsubstantiated rumors and claims are ust that and no more.
Motherhugger
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I totally get where you're coming from fatman. With all of the marketing hype out there, it's easy to become skeptical about any company that makes any sort of bold claim.
That said, to me (and I haven't been keeping up with all of your postings, true), it seems to me that you're for just the cheapest nutes there are since brands don't seem to make a difference to you. I get that and I did the same thing in the beginning of my first grows.
But I have to think that those who have more money to market have gotten that money because they've been able to make money from high quality products. Or they just have more money to begin with.
Not sure if this is an argument anyone can win, but it's fascinating to watch you defend the idea that a lot of marketing = someone not to be trusted.
Eh, I think marketing is going to be around forever, so why not just test things out, see what works, and enjoy your results. Really, is there any need to tell others that they're wrong for doing what they choose to do?
Seems to me that if you're not smoking what they grow, it doesn't really matter, does it?
fatman7574
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I am not just into the cheapest available nutrients , but I am into just paying a reasonable price for a like product. I am not into paying triple or even twenty times the cost of producing a nutrient just to get a name brand when a identical product can be bought for less, or when I can simply mix it myself. That much is true.I totally get where you're coming from fatman. With all of the marketing hype out there, it's easy to become skeptical about any company that makes any sort of bold claim.
That said, to me (and I haven't been keeping up with all of your postings, true), it seems to me that you're for just the cheapest nutes there are since brands don't seem to make a difference to you. I get that and I did the same thing in the beginning of my first grows.
But I have to think that those who have more money to market have gotten that money because they've been able to make money from high quality products. Or they just have more money to begin with.
Not sure if this is an argument anyone can win, but it's fascinating to watch you defend the idea that a lot of marketing = someone not to be trusted.
Eh, I think marketing is going to be around forever, so why not just test things out, see what works, and enjoy your results. Really, is there any need to tell others that they're wrong for doing what they choose to do?
Seems to me that if you're not smoking what they grow, it doesn't really matter, does it?
At worse a good software package for formulating aeroponic/hydroponic or soil medium nutrients is sold world wide fron New Zealand for about $130 U.S. funds. That is a very easily recouped amount considering the low cost of the base fertilizers and chemicals use in mixing nutrients.
I am also not into the marketing hype that a product is better because they claim a better supplier of raw chemicals, (what a joke) or because they merely say their formula is better. AN as do their equal competitors very, very likely buy from the same sources if the are based in the same general area and also buy the same purity classification of chemicals as their competitors which is evident by way of analysis of the final products. There are just to many governent policies that have limited the numv bers of producers of products and there are just so many economical methods to refine those chemicals so the better chemicals story is chiefly marketing hype and the measurements of very n minute amounts of trace elements that differ from one source to another. Those amounts are definitely inconsequential or negligible to all but a pitching marketer.
When an analysis of that better product merely amounts to an increase or decrease of a major nutrient by 0.1 percent, that is not an improved formula or improved products used in production but merely minor formulation changes so as to say their product is different or better. That is just another game of the high dollar nutrient suppliers. It is merely unethical marketing and such policies are known or even originate from the top of those corporations. That is sad and happens frquently.
There are no scientific avantages held by one company over another. There are no secrets, no major advances or discoveries or unknowns to anyone but to the customers who do not have the ability to analylize the products. However, the majority of those products can be easily tested at anyones local university as nearly all of them have cooperative extension services where such tests are done free or for just few dollars.
The thing is I do independently test many of the retail marketed products as do many others. I have table tops and shelves covered with analytical chemistry/laboratory test equipment in my home, and as well as more sophisticated pieces of test equipment available to me at the University. The test equipment doesn' t lie and the field tests done by many, including myself, have clearly and repeatedly shown like analysis products merely provide like results regardless of the name on the label or the retail cost.
It is just the pits especially when you find companies selling things like Pythoff products that are merely a very dilute solution of RO water and chlorine bleach. Then there are the many other rip offs like the silica phopsphate solutions, the pH up and pH down products . And people buy that stuff at high prices. The nutrient market is no better but possibly worse.
I have yet to see any of the manafacturers of quality aeroponic/hydroponic nutrients just do something sensible like send you two packets of chemicals Part A and Part B, and simply tell you to pour one of each packets into a one gallon bottle and add RO water until full, them mix, to make 100X concentrates. They could very easily do that for a few dollars a packet and still make a profit. That would even take away their use of feeble excuses of high manafacturing costs such as: bottling, labeling, packaging and shipping when trying to claim a just reason for their extremely high prices.
In other hobbies such as reef keeping bussinesses set up just to sell bulk supplies such as chemicals because they saw that people were being badly ripped off. There you buy packages of supplement chemicals, and just add them to RO water. Duh. Or they will sell you just about every other major product used in bulk at greatly reduced costs. I think someone ought to do the same for growers. Let AN and like manafacturers find legitimate/ethical ways to make money rather than taking advantage of Pot growers. Commercial growers of other products don't touch AN's products or their counter parts products. They merely mix there own for 1/10 the cost or less. Simple as that.
fatman7574
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This is the aeroponic/hydroponic section and usually people go to some pretty great lengths to not have to deal with media borne fungi and bacteria. That is usually more of a concern with soil growers.
Many aero and hydro people regularly use hydrogen peroxide or chlorine so that pretty much eliminates even hydroponic medium bacteria and fungi.
Most of the snake oils being sold by nutrient manafacturers as new products are merely old "discoveries" that proved ineffective or uneconomical and unless your into organic or soil grows most still hve no good use in growing pot or any other marketable crop. The few that might have some use have their usefulness nullified by other practices found to be more important such as the use of hydrogen peroxide, chlorine, CO2, dehumidification and the use of soil less media and good water.
The thing is you can not use it all and some manfacturers that sell huge lines of snake oil products are not about to tell you that. They will gladly sell you, or even greatly encourage you to buy products that nullify each other without pre warning you.
MOBee
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If you cant afford AN dont spam people post. the guy asked what to get, either answer him or go get laid.