GreenThumbSucker
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Can Sodium Molybdate be substituted for Ammonium Molybdate? Seem to have a hard time finding a source for Ammonium Molybdate.
Advanced Nutrients Question
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fatman7574
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Sure, however ammonium ions in early growth is beneficial so in early vegative growth you might wish to add a pinch of ammonium nitrate to the nutrients. Ammonium is not good in blooming as it accumalattes in the nutrients and causes daily large drops in the pH if the nitrogen as ammonium is more than 15% of the total nitrogen. The recipe I supplied the ammonium is less than 4% so it would take weeks of not changing the reservoir to rise above 15% ammonium.
Here is the link for Ammonium dimolybdate; Ammonium heptamolybdate; Molybdic(VI) acid. It is not cheap but it is more than a life time supply for most growers.http://www.chemsavers.com/servlet/the-4203/Molybdic-acid,-Certified-ACS,/Detail
I had to request they mix it for me as I could not find an American supplier either.
The amount used is so small using a sodium based product would not add enough sodium to be noticeable.
TruGreens
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Just wanted to quick jump in and say THANKS for all the awesome info.
Though there's no way I could ever handle mixing this stuff up, it's pretty righteous to see that its possible.
but i failed chem class, so i'd leave this sort of stuff to the professionals... or maybe jsut those with more time on their hands than i have.
thx again.
fatman7574
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Bullethead21 has sent me a PM basically saying the first formula I posted is a 1:1 ratio of Micro and Bloom therefore it is MicroBloom. OK as that is as I originally thought. The second formula is not Microbloom but is instead the Lucas Formula Ratio mix of Micro and Bloom. I believe he states it is sold By GH as Flora Nova Bloom. I really do not know as I have not tested Flora Nova Blend or MicroBloom. I merely formulated the given recipes based uopn the known analysis data on GH Micro and GH Bloom and based upon a previous conflicting PM sent to me by Bullethead21
So to hopefully make matters clear, unless Bullethead21 changes his story again, the first recipe is a 1:1 ratio of Micro and Bloom, the second recipe is a 1:2 ratio. Both are x100 concentrates. They can not be added together in a liquid concentration woithout precipitation occuring so I have my doubts about Flora Nova Bloom being a concentrate of any real strength comparable to the x100 concentrate. Maybe Bullethead21 might come forth with some usable information such as concentration and analysis of the Flora Nova Bloom.
Just checked on the Flora Nova. Flora Nova Bloom is a Formulation with an analysis of 4-8-7. Lucas Formula is a 5-10-8. Close but no cigar. Lucas definitely does not have humic acids either. It is $87.50 a gallon. Sad, sad, sad. They say it is concentrated, but will not say how concentarted. They say, " Remember that due to its high concentration, FloraNova must be shaken vigorously before each use!" that shows that there are likely precipitates due to their mixing the solution as a one part. The precipitates will not go back into solution by shaking the bottle. The precipitation is due to oversaturation. The solution will not take on more of a chemical if it is already fully saturated with that chemical Period. So basically the Flora Nova is a weaker formulation (25% lower anaysis numbers allowing for potash need due to the acids used to dissolve the humus) with some humic acid added. Humic acids are very, very cheap. The concentration is not high or there would be definitely be more than a small amount of precipitation.
The invention of a Fertilizer such as Nova Bloom relates to a method wherein a complex humic acid fertilizer is formed from a mix of a select organic material, water, and measured amounts of major inorganic elements of nitrogen, phosphate, potash and sulfur. The constituents mixed in a sealed reactor system with a first material, usually an acid, are hydrolyzed by a drastic pH change, raising the mix temperature and pressure, and the mix is subsequently blended with a second material of an opposite pH to the first material, usually a base, reacting with the mix to provide a further temperature and pressure increase, to alter the pH to that of the finished fertilizer, which humic acid fertilizer is then dried and granulated or liquefied to a pumpable slurry. Nova Bloom has an increased level of Potash (a base). It is then fore possible that the formula is Lucas formula with added potash used as the base.
Basically throw some organic matter such as peat moss in a sealed contaim ner with acid and water. Once it dissolves pH balance to 7 and add other water and your chemical fertilizers. Humic acids are present in all soil medium and organic fertilizers. Humic acids are not beneficial in soiless mec diums except as a source of oraginic nitrogen. Organic nitrogen is m not need or necessarily beneficial in any way. The few chemicals that might be diddicult for a plant to uptake in a soil less grow are made readily usable do to the addtionion of chelates used in aeroponic and hydroponic fertilizers than contain micro nutrients.
As I have shown a 100x concentrate of Lucas can be mixed up for about $6 or less per gallon. I can mix it for about $1.50. The cost to add humis if so desired is less than a dollar a gallon. (87.50 - 7.50) = $80.00 saved per gallon.
There is the matter of to mix it at $6 per gallon buying from Crop King and trace nutrients from eBay u you would initally need to put out the cost of buying your major nutrients in 50 pound bags and your Magnesium sulfate in a 50 pound bag. That would mean about $300. The micro nutrients would cost about $75 for a life time supply. To buy the fertilizers in small amounts (per pound) the cost is an bout triple as buying 50 pound bags. Fran m store prices are about 1/3 to 1/2 of Crop King prices. So the buy the pound mixing cost would be about $19.50 per gallon so the savings would drop to $58 per gallon. Of course with farm supply fertilizers your up to saving about $84 per gallon. Is it any wonder why GH and AN loves the pot growers market.
So to hopefully make matters clear, unless Bullethead21 changes his story again, the first recipe is a 1:1 ratio of Micro and Bloom, the second recipe is a 1:2 ratio. Both are x100 concentrates. They can not be added together in a liquid concentration woithout precipitation occuring so I have my doubts about Flora Nova Bloom being a concentrate of any real strength comparable to the x100 concentrate. Maybe Bullethead21 might come forth with some usable information such as concentration and analysis of the Flora Nova Bloom.
Just checked on the Flora Nova. Flora Nova Bloom is a Formulation with an analysis of 4-8-7. Lucas Formula is a 5-10-8. Close but no cigar. Lucas definitely does not have humic acids either. It is $87.50 a gallon. Sad, sad, sad. They say it is concentrated, but will not say how concentarted. They say, " Remember that due to its high concentration, FloraNova must be shaken vigorously before each use!" that shows that there are likely precipitates due to their mixing the solution as a one part. The precipitates will not go back into solution by shaking the bottle. The precipitation is due to oversaturation. The solution will not take on more of a chemical if it is already fully saturated with that chemical Period. So basically the Flora Nova is a weaker formulation (25% lower anaysis numbers allowing for potash need due to the acids used to dissolve the humus) with some humic acid added. Humic acids are very, very cheap. The concentration is not high or there would be definitely be more than a small amount of precipitation.
The invention of a Fertilizer such as Nova Bloom relates to a method wherein a complex humic acid fertilizer is formed from a mix of a select organic material, water, and measured amounts of major inorganic elements of nitrogen, phosphate, potash and sulfur. The constituents mixed in a sealed reactor system with a first material, usually an acid, are hydrolyzed by a drastic pH change, raising the mix temperature and pressure, and the mix is subsequently blended with a second material of an opposite pH to the first material, usually a base, reacting with the mix to provide a further temperature and pressure increase, to alter the pH to that of the finished fertilizer, which humic acid fertilizer is then dried and granulated or liquefied to a pumpable slurry. Nova Bloom has an increased level of Potash (a base). It is then fore possible that the formula is Lucas formula with added potash used as the base.
Basically throw some organic matter such as peat moss in a sealed contaim ner with acid and water. Once it dissolves pH balance to 7 and add other water and your chemical fertilizers. Humic acids are present in all soil medium and organic fertilizers. Humic acids are not beneficial in soiless mec diums except as a source of oraginic nitrogen. Organic nitrogen is m not need or necessarily beneficial in any way. The few chemicals that might be diddicult for a plant to uptake in a soil less grow are made readily usable do to the addtionion of chelates used in aeroponic and hydroponic fertilizers than contain micro nutrients.
As I have shown a 100x concentrate of Lucas can be mixed up for about $6 or less per gallon. I can mix it for about $1.50. The cost to add humis if so desired is less than a dollar a gallon. (87.50 - 7.50) = $80.00 saved per gallon.
There is the matter of to mix it at $6 per gallon buying from Crop King and trace nutrients from eBay u you would initally need to put out the cost of buying your major nutrients in 50 pound bags and your Magnesium sulfate in a 50 pound bag. That would mean about $300. The micro nutrients would cost about $75 for a life time supply. To buy the fertilizers in small amounts (per pound) the cost is an bout triple as buying 50 pound bags. Fran m store prices are about 1/3 to 1/2 of Crop King prices. So the buy the pound mixing cost would be about $19.50 per gallon so the savings would drop to $58 per gallon. Of course with farm supply fertilizers your up to saving about $84 per gallon. Is it any wonder why GH and AN loves the pot growers market.
fatman7574
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THX
Just wanted to quick jump in and say THANKS for all the awesome info.
Though there's no way I could ever handle mixing this stuff up, it's pretty righteous to see that its possible.
but i failed chem class, so i'd leave this sort of stuff to the professionals... or maybe jsut those with more time on their hands than i have.
thx again.
Actually it is all really easy to mix. It just requires the use of an accuratte scale. Typically I use gram and milligram measurements rather than ounce measurements as most gram scales are much more accurate than the ounce scales. As long as you can read a digital scale and use a teaspoon you would do fine at mixing fertilizer. It takes some chemistry to formulate mixes without spread sheets or software, but few people still use that method as it is time consuming. It does, however, provide you with more flexibility in the choices of which chemicals you use, and which you use is more imporstant if you are using tap water rather than RO water and If you are less inclined to at least daily monitor your nutrient pH.
Just wanted to quick jump in and say THANKS for all the awesome info.
Though there's no way I could ever handle mixing this stuff up, it's pretty righteous to see that its possible.
but i failed chem class, so i'd leave this sort of stuff to the professionals... or maybe jsut those with more time on their hands than i have.
thx again.
Actually it is all really easy to mix. It just requires the use of an accuratte scale. Typically I use gram and milligram measurements rather than ounce measurements as most gram scales are much more accurate than the ounce scales. As long as you can read a digital scale and use a teaspoon you would do fine at mixing fertilizer. It takes some chemistry to formulate mixes without spread sheets or software, but few people still use that method as it is time consuming. It does, however, provide you with more flexibility in the choices of which chemicals you use, and which you use is more imporstant if you are using tap water rather than RO water and If you are less inclined to at least daily monitor your nutrient pH.
GreenThumbSucker
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squarepush3r
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hmm, thats strange. I remembered reading that Lucas was essentially MaxiBloom (dry). However, I just checked, and maxibloom is 5-15-14, and Lucas is 5-10-9, and Flora Nova Bloom is 4-8-7
http://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-MaxiBloom-2-2-lbs/dp/B000CO7U02/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1257572619&sr=1-1
I would like to be able to use MaxiBloom to start, since it seems like its the lowest cost premix formula, but the ratios seems off. I dont know why I thought Lucas was the same as maxibloom? hmm
http://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-MaxiBloom-2-2-lbs/dp/B000CO7U02/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1257572619&sr=1-1
I would like to be able to use MaxiBloom to start, since it seems like its the lowest cost premix formula, but the ratios seems off. I dont know why I thought Lucas was the same as maxibloom? hmm
fatman7574
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Personally I believe little of what GH, AN or any of the other major nutrient manafacturesr from outside the U.S. put in their advertisements or labels as it so often changes and so often does not test out at the levels they claim. Either they have poor quality control or they lie. Of course the U.S. does not hold them accountable for their improprities so what can one epect from them? I can at any given times nearly always find conflicting information on their labels, advertisments and their MSD's. I have been checking out Canna adds and MSD's and they are no better. They also do things like list things seperately but then give an analyisis for trhem after they are mixed that do not add up. Things like Part 1 contains 5% nitrogen and Part 2 contains 4%, but combined they say it contains 10%. They tend to take strange liberties with their math. Plus they are very good at deception and flat out lies. I would really like to analyisis their concentrated Flora Nova just to see what they mean by concentrated. As any formula that must be diluted can be called concentrated they are not disclosing much. Unless they think their warning about shaking vigourously is adequate enough to have everyone believe it is as concentrated as buying a two part mix. Regardless I am nieve as I thought Nutrients were selling for about $25 a gallon and I thought thant was outrageous. But $87.50 for what cost them about $6.00 or $7.00 to produce counting labor, overhead and shipping and a fair return on their investments. $87.50 for three pounds of fertilizer and a few pennies worth of humus.
For what price is AN now selling their two part nutrients.
Someone in the Continental United Staes could make good monet selling plain label nutrients with just an anlyiss printed onhthe labels. Sell it dry so it only need be added to one gallon jugs fora x100 or x200 concentrate. Even buying retail bags they could easily sell it for say $5 per pound plus shipping. That would mean with shipping a cost of say $20 per gallon of x100 nutrients. So say $40 for two gallons one each of a two part formula. That means 200 gallons for $40. 20 cents per gallon. I imagine at most Flora Nova is x50 and maybe less. That means $350 for 200 gallons, ie $1.75 per gallon plus shipping. Even if they somehow performed chemistry near miracle and made a x100 concentrate it would still be at a cost of about $1.00 per gallon with shipping on a filled gallon jug.
No, the pot growers top nutrient manafacturers are definitely doing us no favors.
squarepush3r
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take a seat.
ready? AN released a new special blend, is $35 / liter. Also, you need 2 parts, A & B to mix.
so, thats 4.0 ml per liter, so about 15.0 ml per gallon. Not concentrated at all, and priced at about $160/gallon
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc.asp?ic=NLANCONSB01L
fatman7574
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Hum, 4 ml per liter, that is a concentrate of x250. Likely the cost to produce that by a hobbyist would be about $3.80 per liter (about $14 per gallon), giving it contains ppm levels near what they use in their other formulas. That is only about a 1000% mark up. Surely they deserve that. A typical hobby grower is said to make a 10 to one return on their investment. That is 1000%. Of course most growers are risking prison time, job losses, wrecked marriages, lost children, huge lawyer bills, rehabilitation and counseling costs and a loss of many accees to many federal assistance programs for the rest of their lives. Lets see, the Nutrient manfacturers risk NOTHING as they have a virtual locked in market niche. Like is sometimes heaaard drugs will get you through times of no money better than money will get you trough times of no drugs. The people who made be ig money during the depression were those that sold the drugs and alcohol. Nutrient growers are the gangsters of today in that respect.
Then you need two parts also. So that means 500 liters total for $70. So 132 gallons for $70. 53 cents per gallon. Diluted. Wow, they just don't give up. Say 40 gallons of nutrients per week what with add back for a 1000 watt grow. say 12 weeks of total nutrient time with veg and bllom combined. (0.53 x 40 x 12) = $254 for nutrients for a single crop. Say a hobbyist yield of 1/2 gram per watt of budding light, or 500 grams. 50 cents per gram for nutrients. The electric company is making probably double that per gram produced for average hobby grows.
I guess looked at that way by the nutrient manafacturers they can still probably sleep at night. But looked at by the profits they are making you would think they would be shamed suicidal. Instead they just drive their Hummers, Mercedes and BMW's and smile through $30,000 worth of crowns and party all around the world.
Go figure.
fatman7574
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REASON FOR 2-PART' A AND B MIX.
To In order to combine all the elements commonly needed for plant growth into a concentrated form, the salts need to be mixed into 2 separate solutions. The reason for this is that, while in dilute solution all ions become soluble, in concentrated solution certain ions react together to form insoluble salts. If an ion is in an insoluble salt, it is no longer available for plant growth. Once precipitated it can only very slowly dissolve back into solution when diluted again. Precipitation is simply the result of two ions combining in solution to form a salt which is insoluble, eg when calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate are added to water in strong solutions the salts dissociate producing magnesium nitrate along with calcium and sulfate ions which then combine to form calcium sulfate or gypsum which precipitates. This occurs because compounds such as calcium sulfate have very low saturation values and can not exist as concentrated solutions.
Generally it is necessary to keep the calcium separate from the sulfate and phosphate salts. Therefore the calcium nitrate and calcium chloride is kept separate from the magnesium sulfate, potassium sulfate, sulfates of trace elements, and monopotassium phosphate, all other salts can be mixed in either A or B. There are certain brands of nutrient which seem to combine all elements into a single mix, but the manufacture of these
products is beyond the reach of most growers.
To In order to combine all the elements commonly needed for plant growth into a concentrated form, the salts need to be mixed into 2 separate solutions. The reason for this is that, while in dilute solution all ions become soluble, in concentrated solution certain ions react together to form insoluble salts. If an ion is in an insoluble salt, it is no longer available for plant growth. Once precipitated it can only very slowly dissolve back into solution when diluted again. Precipitation is simply the result of two ions combining in solution to form a salt which is insoluble, eg when calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate are added to water in strong solutions the salts dissociate producing magnesium nitrate along with calcium and sulfate ions which then combine to form calcium sulfate or gypsum which precipitates. This occurs because compounds such as calcium sulfate have very low saturation values and can not exist as concentrated solutions.
Generally it is necessary to keep the calcium separate from the sulfate and phosphate salts. Therefore the calcium nitrate and calcium chloride is kept separate from the magnesium sulfate, potassium sulfate, sulfates of trace elements, and monopotassium phosphate, all other salts can be mixed in either A or B. There are certain brands of nutrient which seem to combine all elements into a single mix, but the manufacture of these
products is beyond the reach of most growers.
squarepush3r
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actually, it appears Flora Nova isn't really that concentrated. The directions on the label, say for a 1300 ppm solution, mix 3 tsp per gallon (thats 15ml per gallon).
However, normal GH, non concentrated mix, Flora series, is 0-8-16 sso, 16 + 8 ml = 24ml per gallon.
So Nova Bloom is only 60% stronger than regular Flora series, which I guess may be better since it costs about 25% more than Flora series, and you pay less shipping if you order it delivered also.
Lets compare MaxiBloom now to Flora Nova Bloom
FNB is 3784 ml / gallon, calling 1 gallon a serving, thats 252 servings per gallon
MB is 6 g / gallon, 75 servings per pound
lets compare cost now,
FNB is $192 for 2.5 gal = $76.8 / gal
MB $90 for 16 lbs = $5.62 / lb
now, the ratio for strength in gal/lb is 252 / 75 = 3.36 gal / lb so, FNB is 3.36 stronger
ratio of cost is 76.8 / 5.62 = 13.6 gal / lb so, FNB is 13.6 more expensive
so, on a cost per bang basis, FNB is 13.6 / 3.36 = 4 times more expensive
This doesn't factor in shipping costs, FNB is 30 lbs, MB is 16 lbs. So MB costs roughly half of the shipping cost of FNB.
Overall, MaxiBloom (MB) looks like the costs winner by huge margins.
also, can anyone help me to get a good approximation of Lucas formula from using MaxiBloom/MaxiGrow?
MaxiBloom is 5-15-14
MaxiGrow is 10-5-14
Lucas is 5-10-9
so, lets say we use 2/3's strength of MaxiBloom
(2/3) * (5-15-14)= 3.333-10-9.333 (this looks similar to Lucas, only low on Nitrogen)
so, then lets say we add 1.666 nitrogen, we get 5-10-9.333 , which is damn close to Lucas. So, if I simply add Nitrogen, I can get Lucas from MaxiBloom?
Also, @ Fatman. I know you mix entirely your own nutrients and don't buy a thing premixed. I have to ask, how are your yields? Are they competitive with people who do use top name brand nutrients?
However, normal GH, non concentrated mix, Flora series, is 0-8-16 sso, 16 + 8 ml = 24ml per gallon.
So Nova Bloom is only 60% stronger than regular Flora series, which I guess may be better since it costs about 25% more than Flora series, and you pay less shipping if you order it delivered also.
Lets compare MaxiBloom now to Flora Nova Bloom
FNB is 3784 ml / gallon, calling 1 gallon a serving, thats 252 servings per gallon
MB is 6 g / gallon, 75 servings per pound
lets compare cost now,
FNB is $192 for 2.5 gal = $76.8 / gal
MB $90 for 16 lbs = $5.62 / lb
now, the ratio for strength in gal/lb is 252 / 75 = 3.36 gal / lb so, FNB is 3.36 stronger
ratio of cost is 76.8 / 5.62 = 13.6 gal / lb so, FNB is 13.6 more expensive
so, on a cost per bang basis, FNB is 13.6 / 3.36 = 4 times more expensive
This doesn't factor in shipping costs, FNB is 30 lbs, MB is 16 lbs. So MB costs roughly half of the shipping cost of FNB.
Overall, MaxiBloom (MB) looks like the costs winner by huge margins.
also, can anyone help me to get a good approximation of Lucas formula from using MaxiBloom/MaxiGrow?
MaxiBloom is 5-15-14
MaxiGrow is 10-5-14
Lucas is 5-10-9
so, lets say we use 2/3's strength of MaxiBloom
(2/3) * (5-15-14)= 3.333-10-9.333 (this looks similar to Lucas, only low on Nitrogen)
so, then lets say we add 1.666 nitrogen, we get 5-10-9.333 , which is damn close to Lucas. So, if I simply add Nitrogen, I can get Lucas from MaxiBloom?
Also, @ Fatman. I know you mix entirely your own nutrients and don't buy a thing premixed. I have to ask, how are your yields? Are they competitive with people who do use top name brand nutrients?
fatman7574
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Perhaps this will help you. First remember Microbloom is a 1:1 ratio of 1:1 micro and bloom. Microgrow is a 1:1 ratio of micro and grow formula. Lucas is a 1:2, ratio micro and bloom.
MICRO BLOOM GROW HWMICR
NO3 Nitrate 4.7% 0.00 1.75% 3.7%
NH4 Ammoniacal 0.3% 0.00 0.25% 0.3%
NH2 Urea 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.0%
Total N 5% 0.00 2% 5%
P (as P2O5) 0.00 5% 1% 0.00
K (as K2O) 1% 4% 6% 1%
Mg 0.00 1.5% 0.5% 0.00S 0.00 1% 0.00 0.00
Ca 5% 0.00 0.00 1%
Basically to turn Microbloom into Lucas formula you would need to add mono potassium phosphate and Magnesium sulfate. 78 ounces of monopotassium phosphate and 51 ounces of magnesium sulfate added to the retail GH Microbloom will supply you with The Lucas formula. Mono pottasium sulfate is expensive though so your talking $35 combined it and the Magnesium sulfate at Crop King. http://www.cropking.com/HydroponicSupplies/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=264_268&zenid=50b5406ca70fd830f9a71f92a1ecc04f Mono pottassium Phosphate is the most expensive fertilizer used in all the quality nutrient formulas
MICRO BLOOM GROW HWMICR
NO3 Nitrate 4.7% 0.00 1.75% 3.7%
NH4 Ammoniacal 0.3% 0.00 0.25% 0.3%
NH2 Urea 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.0%
Total N 5% 0.00 2% 5%
P (as P2O5) 0.00 5% 1% 0.00
K (as K2O) 1% 4% 6% 1%
Mg 0.00 1.5% 0.5% 0.00S 0.00 1% 0.00 0.00
Ca 5% 0.00 0.00 1%
Basically to turn Microbloom into Lucas formula you would need to add mono potassium phosphate and Magnesium sulfate. 78 ounces of monopotassium phosphate and 51 ounces of magnesium sulfate added to the retail GH Microbloom will supply you with The Lucas formula. Mono pottasium sulfate is expensive though so your talking $35 combined it and the Magnesium sulfate at Crop King. http://www.cropking.com/HydroponicSupplies/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=264_268&zenid=50b5406ca70fd830f9a71f92a1ecc04f Mono pottassium Phosphate is the most expensive fertilizer used in all the quality nutrient formulas
squarepush3r
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just to clarify, which is 1:1, and which is Lucas?
I had this one in my records, but not sure which formula it is?
fatman7574
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It is a 1:1 ratio of GH Micro and Bloom. It is what GH is now selling as Microbloom in a dry formula. It is a 5 gallon x100 concentrate formula.
GreenThumbSucker
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So AK, at what point will you post the grow part? Are you going to do similar to what BC does and make a microgrow to go with the lucas two part that you gave the recipe for?
fatman7574
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MicroGrow powder:
Part A:
<The below numbers denote ounces>
Calcium Nitrtae 114.5
Pottasium Nitrate 24.6
Iron Chelate 3.38
Part B:
Mono Pottasium Phosphate 15.8
Pottasium Nitrate 24.6
Magnesium Sulfate 50.6
Trace Nutrients Part B:
Manganese Sulfate 0.672
Boric Acid 0.147
Zinc Sulfate 0.437
Copper Sulfate 0.147
Ammonium Molybdate 0.0054
That is approximattely 14.68 pounds of fertilizers. It will make two 2.5 gallon batches of concentrate mixed 0.5 gallon of each part to 100 gallons of water or a total of 500 gallons. (14.68 pounds equals 234.88 ounces) (234.68/500) = 0.469 ounces of mixed powder to each gallon.
It would be better though to keep the trace nutrients seperate as it would be a PITA to have to mix the powdered fertilizer constantly to make sure they remained evenly mixed. Just put them in a two liter bottle and fill with water. The other posts gives the dosages per gallon. The powders for Part A and Part B can just be mixed together as long as they remain dry. Thy can not be made into 5 gallons of concentrate after they are n mixed as many precipitates woy uld form to the point of the bottom of each jug being covered with powder.
GreenThumbSucker
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Final question on using your formulas. Just so I have it correct: Each 5 gallons makes 500 gallons (250 gallons of A & 250 gallons of B) concentrated to what we pay out the ass for in Hydro shops? So if we use a pint of each A and B, we would mix them each with 12.5 gallons (100 pints) of RO or Distilled water to make 25 total gallons of diluted concentrate like that we buy in the stores?
Oh, and eternal thanks for posting these formulas!
squarepush3r
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There are a few formulas floating around now, and just wanted to clarify since it seems there is some confusion. Also, Fatman can you recommend any software for getting nutrient ratios that you come up with?
1:1 Bloom:Micro
5-5-5
Lucas
5-10-9
MicroGrow?
There seems to be a bit of confusion, since GH doesn't have "MicroBloom" or "MicroGrow" products. Their 2 dry products are
MaxiGrow 10-5-15
MaxiBloom 5-15-14
1:1 Bloom:Micro
5-5-5
Lucas
5-10-9
MicroGrow?
There seems to be a bit of confusion, since GH doesn't have "MicroBloom" or "MicroGrow" products. Their 2 dry products are
MaxiGrow 10-5-15
MaxiBloom 5-15-14
fatman7574
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Thanks for the clarification 1 part GH Micro and 1 part GH Bloom combined is called Maxibloom not Microbloom by GH, and as well 1 Part GH Micro and 1 Part GH Grow is called Maxigrow not Microgrow by GH. However, by calling them Microgrow and Microbloom GH really has no grounds for complaint have they now. No since in having them complain about a name copyright violation now is there. As is if you look back at what I have written there is no grounds g for GH to lodge a legal compliant as to what I have posted as I have not expressly said anything or psosted anything that gives them grounds. I could just get more specific with and then just say closely resembles such and such.