Advanced Nutrients Question

squarepush3r

squarepush3r

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fatman7574 said:
Thanks for the clarification 1 part GH Micro and 1 part GH Bloom combined is called Maxibloom not Microbloom by GH, and as well 1 Part GH Micro and 1 Part GH Grow is called Maxigrow not Microgrow by GH. However, by calling them Microgrow and Microbloom GH really has no grounds for complaint have they now. No since in having them complain about a name copyright violation now is there. As is if you look back at what I have written there is no grounds g for GH to lodge a legal compliant as to what I have posted as I have not expressly said anything or psosted anything that gives them grounds. I could just get more specific with and then just say closely resembles such and such.
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oh, sorry :) I didn't know you had a reason not to say the names exactly.

However, all we are doing is going off analysis from their own labels, so its very public information that their labels say "2-1-6" ratio in the case of Flora Bloom. So, we aren't doing anything that cannot be read in large print off their main label.

Also, anything that could be generated by formulas, can be done simply by using legal software programs, such as

Smart! Fertilizer Software.
http://www.smart-fertilizer.com/
 
fatman7574

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squarepush3r said:
oh, sorry :) I didn't know you had a reason not to say the names exactly.

However, all we are doing is going off analysis from their own labels, so its very public information that their labels say "2-1-6" ratio in the case of Flora Bloom. So, we aren't doing anything that cannot be read in large print off their main label.

Also, anything that could be generated by formulas, can be done simply by using legal software programs, such as

Smart! Fertilizer Software.
http://www.smart-fertilizer.com/
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Actually most of what I did/do is based upon analysis work I have personally done on fertilizers sold retail. I often ask people to n mail be a teaspon of a retail f nutrient they have bought and I just do an analyis on that. I definitely do not pay $110 plus shipping for a bottle so as to run an analysis. I have analysis records for at least 40 different retaile standard nutrient products. No I do not anaysie nutrient supplments as I can only expect so much from the chemistry department. I do not work in a depaer rtment with equipment that can do analysis on hormone and vitamin preperations. top piece of eqi uipment I have daily access to is ISE probes and a Spectrophotometer, and I have those at home.meter. I have looked at GH and AN and nearly all of the major nutrient suppliers from outside the US and they typically do not release much analysis data. The few that do seldom list it all, but simply list the major nutrients. They oftem lie also.

My safety is I never say in one sentence that a formula I post is, say GH Micro and GH bloom. Instead I say this is basically the same as GH micro and bloom. Vagery and mistakes in naming is usually over looked by forum readers as they generally know what the want to read so that is what the see. However implicit claims that something I posted is something else is really not something I choose to do. I alraed y have spent enough time in prison for drug manafacturing. I do not want to add copyright infringement to by criminal record, so excuse me if I am not going to specifically say something that could get me before a judge.

Yes anyone can legally mix up a nutrient formula identical to that of a registered trademarked retail product. They can not sell it as that product and they can not call it that product or say it is that product. They can be deceptive though so that others read what is really not written. Or they can do as they do to each other. Sell almost identical prodi ucts with different names. It is not surprisinf g to see a product that uiis identical but for something like a few ppm of two macro nutrients of 0.001 percent less of a single micro nutrient. They do not call it the same or imply it is the same so all is fair to them.

The fact that anyone can legally copy a product is the reason they do not post complete analysis information. Simple greed. Even though I have posted these formulations and could post a lot more, it is doubtful that many people will mix their own.

It is more likely a few enterprising growers around the country will make those formulas available premixed in plastic zip lock bags etc. That would definitely not make GH or AN happy.

There are online stores now that sell bulk preperations to reef keepers. ie http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/products/calcium-alkalinity-magnesium Prices are about 10% of retail prices. They make a fair living doing so. The major retailers did not lower their prices what so ever as a result of these stores. Notice they sell the dry indgediants that you add w to water, Why pay a bunch of monet to ship water. Some Pot nutrient manfacturers now sell some dry premixed fertiizers but they still sell at about the same price or even higher. they did not bother to pass their shipping savings on to their customers. Or when they did it has only been a very small amount.

The fertilizer software I mainly use has never been offered for sell. The Smart Fertilizer program is a very nice program but many of its features are not need or really parctical for many growers. It is geared toward agribussiness in a much larger scale where every penny pinched on fertilizers is important. Every time yo buy bulk fertilizer you enter it and its analysis and cost into the computer. Then it keeps records of all the bulk fertilizer ingrediants you have on hand. then when you want to mix up a formula it will actually pick the cheapest ingrediany ts that you have on hand to mix the formulation. Plus it has alert notice pop ups and such that tell you when your formualtion is outside of normal ratios or if precipitaion will occur etc.

The software I use was written by a docorate student as part of her thesis. It does not have all the features of the smart fertilizer program.. However, I merely helped her with her lab work etc so I paid nothing and last time I heard smart fertilzer cost over $2000. The really only important feature of a nutrient program not provided with the free online Excel type programs is the ability to convert premixed formula analysis over to ppm readouts and then to a measured mixing amount. The information is provided online to be able to manually make the conversions but I have not seen a free online program that does this for you. I have posted on other sites how this is done, but not on this site as I have not ever heard of anyone using the information after I posted it. I have also shown how to manually calculate amounts given the PPM's desired. The last site I posted it on was moderated by Earl. I pissed him off and he closed the site to my IP address.
 
squarepush3r

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Fatman, you do a lot of work on this board, and hopefully I can spread what I learn also to others to help drive down the cost of nutrients and strive for a higher quality.

Another question, you may answer if you have time or want to, but if not I understand that too. Since I am relatively a beginner, I decided not to completely mix my own nutrients as per your formula this time, instead I bought GH MaxiBloom premix dry formula, however on my next time I would like to make it completely myself. Question:

I am aiming for Lucas formula, which is 5-10-9. The MaxiBloom formula I bought was dry, 5-15-14


Now, Lucas Formula is 5-10-9, very similar. If I take Lucas Formula, and multiply it by 1.5, I get 7.5-15-13.5.
Notice, MaxiBloom above is 5-15-14, very similar except short a bit of N. My theory, was I could add N, maybe using this product
Calcium Nitrate 15.5-0-0-19 5lb Bag



Can you suggest exact quantities to add to the 5-15-14 formula, to raise the Nitrogen from 5 to about 7.5 to match Lucas? Is this a good idea that I do this, or would I be flooding with Magnesium or other unwanted chemicals?


Ok, Im going to think outloud a bit, I think I can figure it out.

x = quantity of Calcium Nitrate
y = quantity of MaxiGrow

looking at only Nitrogen
15.5x + 5y = 7.5 , and
x + y = 1 , so x = 1 - y

15.5 (1-y) + 5y = 7.5
15.5 -15.5y +5y = 7.5
10.5y = 8
y = .76 so x = 1-y = .24

so, adding a mixture of .24 Calcium Nitrate, and .76 MaxiBloom would give me
7.5 - 11 - 10.6 which throws off my Lucas Formula ratio (7.5 - 15 - 13.5 ) which is heavy on Nitrogen

I could use something more like .15 to .85 ratio for a closer blend. Would you recommend this Fatman? Also, am I missing something that the magnesium will be jacked up also with this formula?
 
fatman7574

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Man, Gh be screwing around again. Micro is 5-0-1, Bloom is 0-5-4. Maxi bloom was part each or 5-5-5. Lucas was 1 part Micro and 2 parts Bloom, so 5-10-9. So what they have now done is changed the Maxi Bloom to 1 part micro and 3 parts bloom and adding 1% more potash. Who knows why? So you need to restore the ratios . You have some 1:3 and some 1:O. With getting just close figure 1 part of the Calcium nitrate and 3 parts Maxi bloom. That would give you 15-45-42 Plus 15.5-0-0 or 30.5-45-42, where you want 30-45-45. Lucas norn mally has 5-10-9-3. Your magnesium would be 16.5. I really question the level of magnesium i listed in that calcium nitrate. I have Calcium nitrate from four different sources. One lists less than 0.2% magnesium and one lists 1.5% magnesium and two list no magnesium. If that manafcturer sells calcium nitrate with that much magnesium it has for some reason been added as that is way to much to be a part of regular production of calcium nittrate. Part of the process of making calcium nitrate is to add calcium hydroxide (lime), I imagine your manfacturer chose to use dolomitic lime (which contains high levels of magnesium) instead of calcium hydroxide (lime) which contains only trace amounts of magnesium. If your worried about too much maagnesium tying up your calcium then try to obtain a different brand of calcium nitrate.
 
blazingtimes

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fatman7574 said:
Man, Gh be screwing around again. Micro is 5-0-1, Bloom is 0-5-4. Maxi bloom was part each or 5-5-5. Lucas was 1 part Micro and 2 parts Bloom, so 5-10-9. So what they have now done is changed the Maxi Bloom to 1 part micro and 3 parts bloom and adding 1% more potash. Who knows why? So you need to restore the ratios . You have some 1:3 and some 1:O. With getting just close figure 1 part of the Calcium nitrate and 3 parts Maxi bloom. That would give you 15-45-42 Plus 15.5-0-0 or 30.5-45-42, where you want 30-45-45. Lucas norn mally has 5-10-9-3. Your magnesium would be 16.5. I really question the level of magnesium i listed in that calcium nitrate. I have Calcium nitrate from four different sources. One lists less than 0.2% magnesium and one lists 1.5% magnesium and two list no magnesium. If that manafcturer sells calcium nitrate with that much magnesium it has for some reason been added as that is way to much to be a part of regular production of calcium nittrate. Part of the process of making calcium nitrate is to add calcium hydroxide (lime), I imagine your manfacturer chose to use dolomitic lime (which contains high levels of magnesium) instead of calcium hydroxide (lime) which contains only trace amounts of magnesium. If your worried about too much maagnesium tying up your calcium then try to obtain a different brand of calcium nitrate.
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i just read thru this thread and dang, fatman, you should get paid for all the stuff you put up. really awesome info here.

thanks for taking the time to educate thsoe of us who just don't ahve the spare time to learn all this.

srsly, wish i could see your grows...you got a journal somewhere?

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fatman7574

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Most of the Canna formulations are short in a lot of areas. They are inherently lacking in Calcium, Boron, Sulfur, Magnesium, Manganese, Copper and Iron. They all a seem to really be soil formulations more than aero or hydro. I would definitely not put them in the league with GH or AN. They are pretty low analysis in the areas of major nutrients so they would be expensive to use unless they sold cheaply.

How ever if you looked at all the GH and AN formualtions you would see most of them are far from complete formulations. There really are not all that many complete formulations for aero and hydro soil less. It truly is a shame considering what they harge. If you want aero and hydro that are complete, really the only complete GH formulations are the formulations that actually have Micro in their name. Some of the others are close, such as the Flora Nova Bloom and Maxi Bloom. However, they seem to be cutting as many corners as possible. Most of the vegging nutrients are totally lacking in calcium, magnesium, sulfur, copper, boron. Basically their best formualtions are their micro and bloom formulations.

yep a few peope need to set up bulk fertilizers online stores. It would be nice to be able to buy aero and hydro formualtions that are always complte formulations with al major, secondary and micro nutrients. I have never aseen any vegging or blooming plants that performed poorly beacuse they awere all available wheter the plants neededthem or not. If I can make them for $2 to $6 a gallon with all nutrients being present there is definitely no reason for them not to do it considering what they charge. I know I pay at least 4 times or more for my chemicals with shipping than they do.


Canna Start 2-1-2
Nitrogen 2.0%
Phosphorus 1.0%
Potash 2.0%
Calcium 0.7%
Magnesium 0.3%
Arsenic 0.14 ppm
Cadmium 0.003 ppm
Cobalt 5.0 ppm
Mercury 0.005 ppm
Molybdenum 0.005 ppm
Nickel 0.11 ppm
Lead 0.50 ppm
Selenium 0.50 ppm
Zinc 40.00 ppm

Canna Bio Vega 3-1-5
Nitrogen 3.0%
Phosphorus 1.0%
Potash 5.0%
Calcium 0.0%
Magnesium 0.0%
Arsenic 0.24 ppm
Cadmium 0.033 ppm
Cobalt 8.0 ppm
Mercury 0.0007 ppm
Molybdenum 1.9 ppm
Nickel 4.0 ppm
Lead 0.005 ppm
Selenium 0.50 ppm
Zinc 17.00 ppm

Canna Bio Flores 2.5-2-5
Nitrogen 2.5%
Phosphorus 2.0%
Potash 5.0%
Calcium 0.0%
Magnesium 0.0%
Arsenic 0.21 ppm
Cadmium 0.095 ppm
Cobalt 0.85 ppm
Mercury 0.01 ppm
Molybdenum 0.93 ppm
Nickel 3.6 ppm
Lead 0.40 ppm
Selenium 0.004 ppm
Zinc 15.00 ppm

Canna Coco A 4-0-1
Nitrogen 4.0%
Phosphorus 0.0%
Potash 1.0%
Calcium 4.5%
Magnesium 0.0%
Arsenic 0.5 ppm
Cadmium 0.04 ppm
Cobalt 5.0 ppm
Mercury 0.005 ppm
Molybdenum 0.05 ppm
Nickel 0.50 ppm
Lead 0.50 ppm
Selenium 0.50 ppm
Zinc 1.00 ppm

Canna Coco B 1-4-2
Nitrogen 1.0%
Phosphorus 4.0%
Potash 2.0%
Calcium 0.0%
Magnesium 1.2%
Arsenic 0.5 ppm
Cadmium 0.04 ppm
Cobalt 5.0 ppm
Mercury 0.005 ppm
Molybdenum 13.1 ppm
Nickel 0.5 ppm
Lead 0.50 ppm
Selenium 0.50 ppm
Zinc 65.00 ppm
 
alexuk

alexuk

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for a hydro system, wouldnt you use canna aqua range not bio? and what about cannadian xpress?

also is gh ghe?
 
fatman7574

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With the Canna Aqua you would need to use both Flores and Veg at the same time to get most nutrients But you would still be without manganese, zinc and sulfur. There are three different Aqua and even using all three at once manganese, zinc and sulfur are still lacking.

Canadian Express: Head Masta only contains Nitrogen 1%, Phosphorus 2.6% and Potash 4.5%. Wilt Gard contains Nitrogen 4%, Phosphorus, 17.3%, Regen A Root contains only Potash. I do not test for hormones, or vitaminsnetc. Only chemically based nutrients and metals.
 
fatman7574

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The most complete AN formulation is their Sensi One Powder Concentrate Grow. It is actually everything but Boron. It is their only main line formulation that contains calcium. That is followed by Sensi Bllom, it lacks calcium and Boron, followed by Sensi Bloom part B missing calcium, zinc and Boron. Grow 0169 contains no calcium, Boron or Phosphorus. Dr Hornby Big Bud contains no Nitrogen, Calcium, Boron, Sulfur or Zinc. B-52 contains no calcium, magnesium, sulfur, manganese, boron or Zinc. Connosier Part B contains only a little nitrogen, phosphorus, and Potash nothing else. Bloom booster contains no Nitrogen, magnesiunm, calcium, sulfur, boron, manganese or zinc. With so many people having magnesium and calcium problems you would think they would be on top of that considering they keep saying they are number one.

Seems to me they are all at best only second place or worse as self mixers all seem to be mixing better on their own and at much lower prices. its amazing the amount of money you can make with good marketing even when selling only fair products at best.
 
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That doesn't sound right to me, to say that Sensi one is the only main nute that has calcium. I've been using AN for a long time and I've never had a calcium deficiency.

I've used pretty much all the main line, the Sensi 2-part, the GMB 3-part (by AN's formula and with the Lucas Formula), you name it I've probably used it. And if I've never hit a calcium deficiency it's got to be coming from somewhere, right?
 
spagettiheady420

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fatman7574 said:
Just look at the basic formulas of the comparable product produced by GH versus AN. They are essentially the same so you will get essentially the same results. Of course when you compare unlike products you will get unlike results. GH makes apples, AN makes apples but also makes oranges. You need to test apples against apples, not apples against oranges. Like anlaysis products will produce like results when used at like concentrations on like plants given that all other conditions match. As an example 12-12-12 fertilizers produced by different manafacturers with the same chemical formulations will produce the same results regardless of wahat you paid or who you bought it from. The very same fertilizers tested on the tomatoes versus pot plants deoes not matter if they are still the same formulations. Marketing hype and unsubstantiated rumors and claims are ust that and no more.
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Did you just hear yourself man?
Hellooooooooo ? I would much rather have apple and oranges, rather than just fucking apples? ADVANCED NUTRIENTS WORKS heLLA GOODeR!:blsmoke:
 
fatman7574

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AN is inconsistent in the samples they have provided for testing and to obr tain registration in the state of Clifornia. I do not know the politics of waht is going on between California and AN. The samples they sent to California for nearly all their products did not match their caliamed analysis gurantees. The tests from Washington agree with AN guranteed analysis claims. When I get time I will correct the data posted by California's Department of Agricultures lab by posting Washingtons lab analyisis data. It sjhows a good deal of AN's products contain soluable calcium as claimed by AN.

It is good to see bad write ups about AN not posting its formulation analysis' has finally brough them to the point of finally putting that info on their prodi ucts as required by many states in the U.S.. There acttually ebven legally registering their products in thse U.S. states. Now if they would only cut their costs by about 75%.

All in all considering the games AN has played, they variability of the quality of their products and the unreasonable product costs I would rtaher buy GH than AN. AN just doesn't provide anything extra to make up for the greater prices. They basically are no better than GH. At least GH doesn't make wild ass unsubstantiated claims nor do they charge as much or put out so many snake oil products as AN.
 
spl1

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The only thing your going to see on AN labels is maybe a list of whats in it but not percentages of each of the ingredients you will see proprietary blends printed on the labels instead. The health food industry does the same thing.
It is not a law in the USA that forces AN to list these percentages unless it is a FDA approved product and this products don't have to be. Here in the USA the health food market is self regulated with out the FDA. I do believe this market is the same, self regulated with out any federal guide lines to really control it.

There is a industry standard that most companies in the US go by and use and it is called Guaranteed Analysis and this is done to keep out the every growing Government from being in the daily life of it citizens. Plus most of the products to build your own mix if bought in large volume, will draw the attention of one of the many snooping Government offices it has. This is do to chems used to build explosives in small batches.
If you are a commercial green house then you have no problem when they check you out, most of us are not.

I have use lots of products over the years including mixing my own base nuts, none of this products for this companies Canna, Fox Farm, Humboldt, and GH. came close to my home brew The closest I have had to my own home made nuts was AN.

The purest will always scream I make my own and the other stuff is to much, I used to be that guy, but now I have kids, full time job, and normal life to live so I just buy my stuff and live my life now.

Peace
 
fatman7574

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spl1 said:
The only thing your going to see on AN labels is maybe a list of whats in it but not percentages of each of the ingredients you will see proprietary blends printed on the labels instead. The health food industry does the same thing.
It is not a law in the USA that forces AN to list these percentages unless it is a FDA approved product and this products don't have to be. Here in the USA the health food market is self regulated with out the FDA. I do believe this market is the same, self regulated with out any federal guide lines to really control it.

There is a industry standard that most companies in the US go by and use and it is called Guaranteed Analysis and this is done to keep out the every growing Government from being in the daily life of it citizens. Plus most of the products to build your own mix if bought in large volume, will draw the attention of one of the many snooping Government offices it has. This is do to chems used to build explosives in small batches.
If you are a commercial green house then you have no problem when they check you out, most of us are not.

I have use lots of products over the years including mixing my own base nuts, none of this products for this companies Canna, Fox Farm, Humboldt, and GH. came close to my home brew The closest I have had to my own home made nuts was AN.

The purest will always scream I make my own and the other stuff is to much, I used to be that guy, but now I have kids, full time job, and normal life to live so I just buy my stuff and live my life now.

Peace
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Your wrong if you believe there are no requirements. There are no U.S. requirements for a guranteed analysis being on each label or package but some states do require that the analyisis be on the container or label before it can be sold or distributed in their states. The list of states with that requirement is growing steadily. It has nothing to do with and never has had anything to do with the FDA but only with the departments of agriculture in the individual states.

Guranteed analysis has nothing to do with keeping the government out it is merely a way of making the manafacturers guarantee what the nutrient levels are in their product. It is after all called a gurantee of analysis.

U.S manafacturers as a general rule have always complied since the analysis system was implemented. Unethical, greedy non U.S. manafactures have tried to shirt the guarnteed analysis system adopted willing by U.S. manafacturers and retailers.

The amounts of nutrients an average grower would need for their own use will not draw the snooping eye of a government office as much as buying fertilizers from AN or GH that are specifically made and advertised as nutrients for growing pot. Duh!!! There are tens of thousands of gardeners and small green house owners as well as persons with lawns, scrubs and bushes buying bags and boxes of fertilizer all over this country. The few times the government has come across stashes of fertilizers that were to be used by terroists it was not because somone notified them of the purchaces.

I have never had a green house supplier or farm supply store or any other seller of fertilixzers ask for an ID or follow me out to my vehicle so as to see my license plate number.

It takes only a few minutes to mix nutrients, with or with out children, a wife or job. As far as a nutrient being equal to self mixed AN is nothing special what so ever. Period. They are no better than GH, Canna, Fox Farm or anyone else. They are merely average. I would much rather spend the money I save mixing nutrients on my grand children than give it to AN, GH, Canna etc. If you so choose to throw your money away in such a manner that is on you.

Purist views has nothing to do with not wishing to pay $100 for gallon of fertilizer that can be mixed for less than $10. If saving money was not an object of concern most growers would not be risking felony records by growing their own pot.
 
spl1

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fatman7574 said:
The amounts of nutrients an average grower would need for their own use will not draw the snooping eye of a government office as much as buying fertilizers from AN or GH that are specifically made and advertised as nutrients for growing pot. Duh!!! There are tens of thousands of gardeners and small green house owners as well as persons with lawns, scrubs and bushes buying bags and boxes of fertilizer all over this country. The few times the government has come across stashes of fertilizers that were to be used by terroists it was not because somone notified them of the purchaces.

I have never had a green house supplier or farm supply store or any other seller of fertilixzers ask for an ID or follow me out to my vehicle so as to see my license plate number.
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Homeland Security Act. The amendment requires the department to "regulate the sale and transfer of ammonium nitrate by an ammonium nitrate facility to prevent the misappropriation or use of ammonium nitrate in an act of terrorism." It also supplements rules that address security of chemicals stored at high-risk facilities. "The new regulations, when issued, will complement a separate set of rules known as the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards, or
CFATS, that require certain facilities that possess any of 300 different chemicals to meet varying levels of security precautions."



We may not us ammonium nitrate is self but we do use some of the 300 other chems on the list... HR 1680 - S 1463 - HR 1 - S 4 all of this were passed on the hill and now they want to add another 400 chems to the list. Hydrogen Peroxide and acetone are among the chems they want to control.


You know whats great about living in the US? I can spend my money any way I want with out having any one tell me what to spend it on. I choose to spend it the way that I do with little time invested in it. less than 10 min a day until harvest time and nut change. I avg about pound to a pound and a half every 3 weeks in my low tech aeronautics system that I built. All this on 2 600 watt HPS over 4 2x3 totes with 17 plants per tote. Every 3 weeks I harvest 1 tote and clean it then add a new batch of 17 plants to flower.
I spend about $300.00 bucks a month with nut and electric and I make 10 times that or more every 3 weeks. Plus I give away product for free to terminally ill patients that can't afford it. So yes I am happy with how I spend my money and the family I take care of with the life I live.


Can't wait to here about what ever you type next (not really I won't be coming back to listen to you) Also nice hijacking of this thread and you neg's on anything not to your liking. You should say your sorry for jacking DjAeroFluxxx thread....
 
fatman7574

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spl1 said:
Homeland Security Act. The amendment requires the department to "regulate the sale and transfer of ammonium nitrate by an ammonium nitrate facility to prevent the misappropriation or use of ammonium nitrate in an act of terrorism."

Have you read the actual laws and regulations? I thought not.

Wow do you think a grower is going to go to a ammonium nitrate (production/storage ) facility to obtain a few pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer. Moot, moot, moot. The regulation does not apply to small reatail sells sucha s bagged , bottled or boxed ammonium nitratebough at retail facilito ies. It only applies to facilities selling bulk ammonium nitrate and prills. Moot, moot, moot.

It also supplements rules that address security of chemicals stored at high-risk facilities. "The new regulations, when issued, will complement a separate set of rules known as the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards, or
CFATS, that require certain facilities that possess any of 300 different chemicals to meet varying levels of security precautions."

Dude read the regulations and who and what type of facilities they apply to. I doubt anyone here is going to sneak around in high risk faciliies such as government buildings, nuclear facilities, refineries, power plants, dams, shipping facilities (ports), railroads, airports, hospitals or high profile buildings such as commerce owned/related skyscrapers to steal chemicals for mixing nutrients etc. Moot, moot, moot.


We may not us ammonium nitrate is self (So this is also moot) but we do use some of the 300 other chems on the list... HR 1680 - S 1463 - HR 1 - S 4 all of this were passed on the hill and now they want to add another 400 chems to the list. Hydrogen Peroxide and acetone are among the chems they want to control.

Gee, dude those chemicals are already controlled by the DEA anway and they are readily available almost anywhere and will remain so. They are worried about the big boys that blow up federal buildings and such, they are not changing retail sells procedures of small amounts. Moot.


You know whats great about living in the US? I can spend my money any way I want with out having any one tell me what to spend it on. I choose to spend it the way that I do with little time invested in it. less than 10 min a day until harvest time and nut change. I avg about pound to a pound and a half every 3 weeks in my low tech aeronautics system that I built. All this on 2 600 watt HPS over 4 2x3 totes with 17 plants per tote. Every 3 weeks I harvest 1 tote and clean it then add a new batch of 17 plants to flower.
I spend about $300.00 bucks a month with nut and electric and I make 10 times that or more every 3 weeks. Plus I give away product for free to terminally ill patients that can't afford it. So yes I am happy with how I spend my money and the family I take care of with the life I live.

Wow I give away medical pot to all medicinal users whether they can afford it or not. No big deal.


Can't wait to here about what ever you type next (not really I won't be coming back to listen to you) Good as that means I will not again find a need to have to deal with your moot posted material. Also nice hijacking of this thread and you neg's on anything not to your liking. You should say your sorry for jacking DjAeroFluxxx thread.... Both of your full replies were baseless and moot. Nows that's highjacking at its worse.

Are you really so paranoid. Yeesh. [/QUOTE]

Good day dude.
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cagreenmachine

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fatman7574 said:
spl1 said:
Homeland Security Act. The amendment requires the department to "regulate the sale and transfer of ammonium nitrate by an ammonium nitrate facility to prevent the misappropriation or use of ammonium nitrate in an act of terrorism."

Have you read the actual laws and regulations? I thought not.

Wow do you think a grower is going to go to a ammonium nitrate (production/storage ) facility to obtain a few pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer. Moot, moot, moot. The regulation does not apply to small reatail sells sucha s bagged , bottled or boxed ammonium nitratebough at retail facilito ies. It only applies to facilities selling bulk ammonium nitrate and prills. Moot, moot, moot.

It also supplements rules that address security of chemicals stored at high-risk facilities. "The new regulations, when issued, will complement a separate set of rules known as the Chemical Facility Anti-Terrorism Standards, or
CFATS, that require certain facilities that possess any of 300 different chemicals to meet varying levels of security precautions."

Dude read the regulations and who and what type of facilities they apply to. I doubt anyone here is going to sneak around in high risk faciliies such as government buildings, nuclear facilities, refineries, power plants, dams, shipping facilities (ports), railroads, airports, hospitals or high profile buildings such as commerce owned/related skyscrapers to steal chemicals for mixing nutrients etc. Moot, moot, moot.


We may not us ammonium nitrate is self (So this is also moot) but we do use some of the 300 other chems on the list... HR 1680 - S 1463 - HR 1 - S 4 all of this were passed on the hill and now they want to add another 400 chems to the list. Hydrogen Peroxide and acetone are among the chems they want to control.

Gee, dude those chemicals are already controlled by the DEA anway and they are readily available almost anywhere and will remain so. They are worried about the big boys that blow up federal buildings and such, they are not changing retail sells procedures of small amounts. Moot.


You know whats great about living in the US? I can spend my money any way I want with out having any one tell me what to spend it on. I choose to spend it the way that I do with little time invested in it. less than 10 min a day until harvest time and nut change. I avg about pound to a pound and a half every 3 weeks in my low tech aeronautics system that I built. All this on 2 600 watt HPS over 4 2x3 totes with 17 plants per tote. Every 3 weeks I harvest 1 tote and clean it then add a new batch of 17 plants to flower.
I spend about $300.00 bucks a month with nut and electric and I make 10 times that or more every 3 weeks. Plus I give away product for free to terminally ill patients that can't afford it. So yes I am happy with how I spend my money and the family I take care of with the life I live.

Wow I give away medical pot to all medicinal users whether they can afford it or not. No big deal.


Can't wait to here about what ever you type next (not really I won't be coming back to listen to you) Good as that means I will not again find a need to have to deal with your moot posted material. Also nice hijacking of this thread and you neg's on anything not to your liking. You should say your sorry for jacking DjAeroFluxxx thread.... Both of your full replies were baseless and moot. Nows that's highjacking at its worse.

Are you really so paranoid. Yeesh. [/QUOTE]

Good day dude.
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total respect for all the time and energy you take to post your responses fatman.

this noob is feeling like rollitup is the place to learn.

an interesting way to be introduced to the boards, gotta say.

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Hey the guy shows a photo of a 10 foot plant in his back yard then talks garbage about laws and rules etc. Go figure. He is proof though that it does not require a rocket scientist to grow a big pot plant. Hell where I grew in the U.S midwest of the 50's and 60's pot plants grew wild in huge fields without the need of human help. Good afghani's and indica's as they were left over from the agricultural growth of pot for their fibers. Processing equipment could handle the shorter hash plants better than the tall sativas.
 
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