Amendment 64

It won't be growing on the side of the road.

What else is good about these laws once the Feds pull there ass out, is you can actually grow your limit and posese fire arms And not be a criminal for having the right to bear arms.

It is regulated like alcohol which may not be what everyone wanted but it is a step in the right direction!

I have a few questions and hopefully some of you may be able to clear things up a bit.
1. Can any person over the age of 21 also buy clones, seeds etc?
2. What about interstate commerce I could imagine a flood of people from outside states making trips to and from Colorado in order to either A. Get their meds or B. Transport product across state lines in order to sale on the black market.
I could see this starting a somewhat bordrr war with neighboring states, setting up check points a few miles in so that LE can have a dog sniff your vehicle.
If anyone cares to comment or elaborate how this may work I would appreciate it
Thanks

1. Yes. While clones and seeds are not explicitly noted in the amendment, you are allowed to have 6 plants (regardless of size) with up to 3 of those in flower. Craigslist is going to be packed w/ 6-packs of clones made by every new grower in the state.
2. We have no control over how neighboring states handle the issue of people in possession of a substance that is illegal in their state.

I understand thatCoorado has no control with how other states deal with this but isn't that were the federal government may step in due to interstate commerce

If the fed does step in it will be to try and block the retail shops from opening. Essentially arguing that the state would be a part of a criminal enterprise. We are already in that boat with the MMJ but the fed is not always swayed by reason.

As far as the commerce act goes it would only be relevant if the US Congress had the guts to actually attempt to regulate marijuana instead of treating it as a schedule 1 narcotic. I would welcome that but don't see it happening in the near future.

Thanks for the response it is going to be interesting to see how the federal government deals with this. I am going to keep my fingers crssed and hope that the federal government will respect states rights

I hate to burst some bubbles but the government has to take a stand using the interstate commerce argument. It is only natural to expect that people will come in to buy weed and illegally sell it in another states. I and many friends were talking about this specific scenario.

The Feds have made similar arguments in regards to firearms. Montana tried to pass a law allowing people to build machine guns without the class 3 license and some hell breakout.

It sadly will happen with marijuana. I don't doubt it and it will help force a showdown betweend the state government and the federal government.

Toorop said:

I hate to burst some bubbles but the government has to take a stand using the interstate commerce argument. It is only natural to expect that people will come in to buy weed and illegally sell it in another states. I and many friends were talking about this specific scenario.

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Not bursting my bubble, even if you are correct, which I doubt.
The only thing they can do is come in and raid shops. They haven't been raiding dispensaries.
I don't care about pot shops or dispensaries. They are nice to have, but I don't need them. (okay, I like my rem pen and need refills).

Toorop said:

The Feds have made similar arguments in regards to firearms. Montana tried to pass a law allowing people to build machine guns without the class 3 license and some hell breakout.

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You are comparing apples and steak. A popular vote is different than a law made by a legislature.

Toorop said:

It sadly will happen with marijuana. I don't doubt it and it will help force a showdown betweend the state government and the federal government.

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What will happen?
The feds do not have the power to repeal the law. If they want to sue CO, they are going to create even more bad PR for themselves. The Good People of Colorado voted this into our state constitution. I don't think the feds want to mess with a popular vote and our constitution.

They are in a tough spot, not us.

The worst they can do is come in and start shutting down stores and/or dispensaries.
They can't change our medical or new marijuana laws.

The DEA fucks have already said they have no interest in busting a guy with a few plants in the basement.
I would imagine they will have to take the same stance about the new law. They do not have the resources to go after all the dispensaries, much less people like me growing 3 plants in the basement.

The only thing the feds can do is leave us alone or look like bigger assholes.
Even then, I still get my plants.

Well said. . Rep up +

Heya! Let us take this step a little bit further eh!?

White House petition to recognize and support states right to legalize cannabis

Petition and spread please!!!!

colonuggs said:

well not really...now the state has 30 days to come up with a system and we still have a 30 day waiting period until you can legaly have the oz

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The state has a lot longer than 30 days to come up with a system. The state actually has until July 1, 2013 to get everything nailed down and local governments have until October 1, 2013 to start accepting applications. Once the local governments receive the applications, they're supposed to process them within 45 - 90 days. Long story short, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the 64 pot shops don't open until January 1, 2014. Nothing moves quickly when the government is involved so I imagine the state and local governments won't be in a rush to get this thing done. I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it after what I've experienced in the MMJ industry. No offense, but I'm beginning to think that hardly anyone has actually read the text of the amendment. I can just see it now, thousands of spring breakers descending on Colorado next year wondering where they can score some of that legal weed. Unless those spring breakers have friends in Colorado who will give them some of their own legal weed, they'll be shit out of luck.

Here's a link for the folks who'd like to read the text. It doesn't take that long...

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/s/regulate-marijuana-alcohol-act-2012

So what do you think the rules will end up looking like? I hope the state doesn't just copy/paste 1284 onto the new 64 pot shops.

The 70/30 rule is really stupid. Some people just want to grow and some people just want to do retail. Obviously, it would be in a 64 pot shop's best interest to also have a grow to avoid paying the 15% excise tax as much as possible on wholesale transactions. That said, I know there a lot of dispensary owners who would love to close down their stores and just supply the 64 pot shops with nugs from their existing OPC's. And there are a lot of dispensary owners who would love to shut down their OPC's and just focus on the retail end of the business. Even with the 70/30 rule right now, there is a high demand for wholesale pounds at least four months out of the year and there would be even more demand if the pot shops didn't have to grow a certain amount of their own nugs to be in compliance. Bottom line, some people are better growers and some people are better retailers. Hopefully, the state doesn't force growers to have a store and force retailers to have a grow...

Good question Osburn. I hope your assessment is right and the state does regulate the industry "like alcohol" wrt the production, distribution, retail and "bar" model. It is just so hard to predict though. Who would have guessed they would have come up with something like 1284 though? Who would have thought Claire Levy (from Boulder) would have introduced 5ng per se DUI legislation? Not me, that's for sure.

Medshed said:

Good question Osburn. I hope your assessment is right and the state does regulate the industry "like alcohol" wrt the production, distribution, retail and "bar" model. It is just so hard to predict though. Who would have guessed they would have come up with something like 1284 though? Who would have thought Claire Levy (from Boulder) would have introduced 5ng per se DUI legislation? Not me, that's for sure.

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Yeah, the state would be smart to actually regulate the industry like alcohol and avoid anything that resembles the 70/30 rule. More wholesale transactions would mean more tax revenue for the state. One thing I know is that the 64 pot shop owners will like paying that 15% excise tax on wholesale transactions even less than MMC owners liked paying me 5% to move their wholesale pounds for them. Add the two together and that's 20% that will be added to the retail price of a 64 pot shop's nugs if the shop depends on wholesale pounds to keep its shelves stocked. Then if you figure in a really high demand for that legal weed, there might not be very many deals to be a had at a 64 pot shop. The price of an ounce could actually increase for the first time in 3+ years.

Yeah, I would not sign my name on to ANY petition that is associated with the White House data base. I've toured their facility in 04, and it was scary then, can only imagine how much it's grown now.

Crazy read this thread. Good luck to all residents

"The idea that an adult can grow 6 plants in their house with out a license or government interference is a dream that I have had for coming up on 30 years now." <<<EXACTLY!

Trousers said:

Fuck the feds.

If they sue the state they are going to have even more people hating them.
Think about it, a majority of the people voted yes.

Trying to subvert the will of voters would make the feds look like even bigger assholes. Doing anything but ignoring Colorado could turn out to be a publicity nightmare for the feds.

There is a lawsuit to remove marijuana from schedule one. The supreme court is going to have a tough time explaining themselves if they do not change its classification. They are fucked and they know it. There is no logical reason for marijuana to be classified schedule one. Either the court rules that way or they risk their credibility.

Someone mentioned that the dispensaries are hurting. From what I have heard, I know a couple owners (I rarely shop at pot stores), that the good dispensaries are making bank. One place I know of can barely keep their shelves stocked.

There are more crappy dispensaries than good ones. The good ones make money.


This is fucking great for regular growers like me. I already have a red card, but now I can grow more plants.

The idea that an adult can grow 6 plants in their house with out a license or government interference is a dream that I have had for coming up on 30 years now.

Come on out to Colorado and buy some legal pot. Maybe go skiing or enjoy our outdoors. We have pretty good weed here. It will get better too.

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Quick question for you peoples. Say I'm from out of state(so no card) and I'm on vacation this week in the beautiful city of Denver. How does one go about finding this newly legal herbage?