America has a currency crisis coming very soon...

ttystikk said:
I'm only going to tell you this once, so from a 'job creator' to your ears, pay careful attention;

There's only one job creator. His name is "customer". PERIOD.
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True, Besides the point but still true. If said business owner did not start the company for the customer to buy from there would be no job creator or customer.
 
Illinois Enema Bandit said:
the global market changed those old business models where economies start with creation of wealth at the business end 1st,some industry's it still rings true but its not an across the board model,we have way too much global trade for the 1950's economic model to fit the 21st century global economy .
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Can not argue that point. With that said i do not believe that we can blame or tax the rich for the problems of the world and expect them to fix all of our problems. That's what my original statement was sent to say
 
twostrokenut said:
Nuh uh, big investors hate this. If you are holding 100% physical, you are holding a small percentage of the market, rest is paper.

Edit: and paper is what's used to manipulate markets blaze' blaze'
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Are you talking to me? Because what you posted was not relevant to my post.
 
ttystikk said:
I can agree with at least one word in there;

Accountability
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so I take it your good with our current trade model ,NAFTA & the TPP which falls in & out of favor week by week ?

also,you have no thoughts as to how the military complex has roughly $6 Trillion unaccounted for from the last 2 administrations ?
 
maxamus1 said:
Can not argue that point. With that said i do not believe that we can blame or tax the rich for the problems of the world and expect them to fix all of our problems. That's what my original statement was sent to say
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and I agree 100%,with a 50% tax on business rest assured what's left of american business will be Ireland bound for a 40% tax break,mexico or China for a 25% tax break.

I'm not a big fan of the million dollars 50% tax plan either,its an arbitrary number picked from the air because it symbolizes wealth,I'm positive there are members on site who's net worth is over a million with hard assets like property & they are by no means rich .
 
maxamus1 said:
True, Besides the point but still true. If said business owner did not start the company for the customer to buy from there would be no job creator or customer.
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No, the customer IS the point. You can't agree and then say it isn't true.

Without the customer the business doesn't exist. Not even if the owner is Steve Jobs.

Conversely, if there is a customer demand anyone can go into business to fill that need.

You've been snowed, friend. They fed it to you backwards.

Since you've shown an interest in economics, I believe you'd enjoy further study of the subject. I heartily recommend it as a foundation for understanding the world as it works today.

"Follow the money"
 
maxamus1 said:
Can not argue that point. With that said i do not believe that we can blame or tax the rich for the problems of the world and expect them to fix all of our problems. That's what my original statement was sent to say
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No. My aim is much simpler; taxing them at rates as high or higher than average people encourages them to be less frivolous and wasteful, and forces them to contribute to the society they're profiting so handsomely from.

If you think they shouldn't have to, I won't let you in my house. Why? Because you're saying that thieves needn't be held accountable.
 
Illinois Enema Bandit said:
and I agree 100%,with a 50% tax on business rest assured what's left of american business will be Ireland bound for a 40% tax break,mexico or China for a 25% tax break.

I'm not a big fan of the million dollars 50% tax plan either,its an arbitrary number picked from the air because it symbolizes wealth,I'm positive there are members on site who's net worth is over a million with hard assets like property & they are by no means rich .
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Exactly but a lot of people see big numbers on paper and assume someones rich. Someone's worth is and can be totally different than what the actually have. Then taxing the crap out of them will just make the situation worse all around.
 
maxamus1 said:
Can not argue that point. With that said i do not believe that we can blame or tax the rich for the problems of the world and expect them to fix all of our problems. That's what my original statement was sent to say
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And another reason, one our nation's own Founding Fathers were on record as being very concerned about preventing;

Aristocracy. Why should someone be able to inherit vast wealth on no more than their family name? Why shouldn't it go back to the country that made it possible for the common interest?

Aristocratic regimes concentrate wealth and thus power, making decisions according to their own self interest, the needs of the majority of the country be damned.

You're no one percenter, so why are you defending them and their trustafarian kids?
 
ttystikk said:
No. My aim is much simpler; taxing them at rates as high or higher than average people encourages them to be less frivolous and wasteful, and forces them to contribute to the society they're profiting so handsomely from.

If you think they shouldn't have to, I won't let you in my house. Why? Because you're saying that thieves needn't be held accountable.
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Then you assume that all rich people are thieves?
 
maxamus1 said:
Exactly but a lot of people see big numbers on paper and assume someones rich. Someone's worth is and can be totally different than what the actually have. Then taxing the crap out of them will just make the situation worse all around.
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That's why you tax NET income. The kind that's left over after expenses. Oboy, you got some learning to do!

Do yourself a favor? Quit sucking at the Faux Spews cock of ignorance and get yourself an education.

Seriously, you've got everything backwards, just like Rupert wants.
 
maxamus1 said:
Then you assume that all rich people are thieves?
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Those who use their money, power and influence to meddle in politics? YES.

I know it's an extreme position, but since when do the needs of an invisible, artificial construct that does not breathe, grow our have children come before a real American citizen?

Don't tell me it's some kind of aggregate, that's more bullshit. If 27,000 Boeing employees want something, they can by God vote for it like anyone else.

You're shilling for the wrong team, bro.
 
ttystikk said:
And another reason, one our nation's own Founding Fathers were on record as being very concerned about preventing;

Aristocracy. Why should someone be able to inherit vast wealth on no more than their family name? Why shouldn't it go back to the country that made it possible for the common interest?

Aristocratic regimes concentrate wealth and thus power, making decisions according to their own self interest, the needs of the majority of the country be damned.

You're no one percenter, so why are you defending them and their trustafarian kids?
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Because I think that it is not their fault. We have become weak and complacent. We believe that we are owed something for nothing. We blame everyone for our problems but ourselves.
A bugerking employee wants 15 dollars for a job they can't preform correctly and blame the company because the can't make a house payment. When they are proforming a teenagers job.

How about we put the blame where it really belongs. On the lawmakers and our government for passing the laws that let them get away with it.
 
ttystikk said:
No. My aim is much simpler; taxing them at rates as high or higher than average people encourages them to be less frivolous and wasteful, and forces them to contribute to the society they're profiting so handsomely from.

If you think they shouldn't have to, I won't let you in my house. Why? Because you're saying that thieves needn't be held accountable.
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before forcing business to cut every corner in sight & remodel their entire business plan I've got a better idea,how about we demand government account for every last million,billion & trillion wasted or unaccounted for.

next we start streamlining our own business,which is government & make gov as efficient as possible .

after that we go after " non profits" that can afford outlandish CEO salaries & private jets and tax the shit out of them,making them more efficient .

then we go after the churches,synagogues & mosques & tax the shit out of them.

get our current house in order,stop all corruption & pork barrel spending ,impliment taxes on fake non profits & religion,then step back and see if we haven't solved the economic crisis with the system in place before we take away all incentive for business to manufacture a single item in a 50% tax bracket.

its doable without killing business or fleecing people who've earned wealth .
 
ttystikk said:
Those who use their money, power and influence to meddle in politics? YES.

I know it's an extreme position, but since when do the needs of an invisible, artificial construct that does not breathe, grow our have children come before a real American citizen?

Don't tell me it's some kind of aggregate, that's more bullshit. If 27,000 Boeing employees want something, they can by God vote for it like anyone else.

You're shilling for the wrong team, bro.
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I am curious, earlier you referred to to taxing the banks at levels that would knock them down into middle class around about the time you made a good point about economics being as simple as customers. So in these latest posts where you reference the aristocracy, net taxes (im assuming when you said inheritance) going back to the country and the invisible artificial construct (boeing corp?) are you still talking about the banks mainly?

I want to know who you are talking about besides banks if applicable, if so then in general who are the groups, corps ect (usa corp?) and what dollar amount the line is at please if there is a line in your "extreme" position.

Just trying to understand your position more gooder, thanks in advance,
 
Illinois Enema Bandit said:
before forcing business to cut every corner in sight & remodel their entire business plan I've got a better idea,how about we demand government account for every last million,billion & trillion wasted or unaccounted for.

next we start streamlining our own business,which is government & make gov as efficient as possible .

after that we go after " non profits" that can afford outlandish CEO salaries & private jets and tax the shit out of them,making them more efficient .

then we go after the churches,synagogues & mosques & tax the shit out of them.

get our current house in order,stop all corruption & pork barrel spending ,impliment taxes on fake non profits & religion,then step back and see if we haven't solved the economic crisis with the system in place before we take away all incentive for business to manufacture a single item in a 50% tax bracket.

its doable without killing business or fleecing people who've earned wealth .
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50 % Tax Marshall West, once said that you must Stfu cause this is not politics















Jk :wink:
 
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