Another story that proves guns make people safer

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Or maybe better in this one?

3-year-old girl who accidentally shot herself on Christmas dies
A North Carolina toddler who accidentally shot herself in the head on Christmas has died, the Henderson County Sheriff's Office said in a Wednesday release.

Three-year-old Aylee Gordon reportedly wounded herself after accessing a 9 mm pistol, according to CNN.

The child's father, former Henderson County Sheriff’s Captain Tim Gordon, said Aylee picked up the firearm, which was located in his truck, while she was outside playing on her new bike.

"She picked up a pistol and shot herself in the head by accident," Gordon told the dispatcher during a 911 call, according to ABC News 13.

Aylee passed away from her injuries on Tuesday after being airlifted to a local hospital and undergoing medical treatment on Saturday.

"It is with a heavy heart that we can confirm that the child did in fact pass away at Mission Hospital on the evening of Tuesday December 28th, 2021," the sheriff's office said in a statement to The Hill. "Any charges in this case will be at the discretion of the NCSBI [North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation] and the District Attorneys office one the investigation has been completed and submitted to the District Attorney to review."
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3-year-old girl who accidentally shot herself on Christmas dies

A North Carolina toddler who accidentally shot herself in the head on Christmas has died, CNN reported.
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Fogdog

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CunningCanuk said:
Guns, they just make the home safer.

Ohio Teen Fatally Shot by Dad Who Mistook Her for Intruder, Police Say

Read in The Daily Beast: https://apple.news/AjvPHvwyzQTmnOMC1B4x8rw
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Every person that I know well and owns a gun has a story about the time they mistook a family member for an intruder and pointed their gun at them. Most often its the wife who pointed her gun at her husband. But I know of a couple of families where the father pointed his gun at his son.

This is called a near miss in safety statistics. A near-miss had the potential to be a problem, but it did not happen.

When there are many near misses, it's time to redesign the system. I treat them as failures in reliability analyis when failure can mean death or injury.

Seriously, a product as unsafe as modern guns should never make it out of the development lab without major changes.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
Every person that I know well and owns a gun has a story about the time they mistook a family member for an intruder and pointed their gun at them. Most often its the wife who pointed her gun at her husband. But I know of a couple of families where the father pointed his gun at his son.

This is called a near miss in safety statistics. A near-miss had the potential to be a problem, but it did not happen.

When there are many near misses, it's time to redesign the system. I treat them as failures in reliability analyis when failure can mean death or injury.

Seriously, a product as unsafe as modern guns should never make it out of the development lab without major changes.
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i'm not arguing, i'm just curious, what changes would you implement to make them safer before you let them out of r&d?
 
Boatguy

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Fogdog said:
Every person that I know well and owns a gun has a story about the time they mistook a family member for an intruder and pointed their gun at them. Most often its the wife who pointed her gun at her husband. But I know of a couple of families where the father pointed his gun at his son.

This is called a near miss in safety statistics. A near-miss had the potential to be a problem, but it did not happen.

When there are many near misses, it's time to redesign the system. I treat them as failures in reliability analyis when failure can mean death or injury.

Seriously, a product as unsafe as modern guns should never make it out of the development lab without major changes.
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My father woke up hearing noises in the kitchen. Grabbed his pistol, went out there, and pointed it before turning on the lights.
Light comes on, my mother is looking into the business end. After that all guns were disassembled and stored.
 
Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i'm not arguing, i'm just curious, what changes would you implement to make them safer before you let them out of r&d?
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I'd leave that to the engineers who design those things. I'm not a gun owner, so I'm not one to put my ideas out there. What I'm certain of is guns are unreasonably unsafe for the average user to own. No product made today can be released with that kind of track record. Other than guns. Not even automobiles have the same poor safety record that guns have. Congress had to enact laws to protect gun manufacturers from civil lawsuits because they are so badly designed WRT safety.

It doesn't need to be this way. Safety and reliability are powerful competitive weapons. When a company solves safety issues with existing products, they then push for regulations to include their features. When they manage to do that, the competition is on the back foot.
 
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Fogdog

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Boatguy said:
My father woke up hearing noises in the kitchen. Grabbed his pistol, went out there, and pointed it before turning on the lights.
Light comes on, my mother is looking into the business end. After that all guns were disassembled and stored.
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I believe every person who keeps a loaded gun at the ready "for safety" has a story like that. I'm sure I'll get replies telling me they never have. Yeah, so a very small number might be able to say so. But then again a I'd view them as the exception that proves the rule.

So glad for your family that you father saw how close he came and took corrective action. Not everyone does. My dad, for example. He did that twice (that I know of) and never saw it as a big deal.
 
Boatguy

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Fogdog said:
I believe every person who keeps a loaded gun at the ready "for safety" has a story like that. I'm sure I'll get replies telling me they never have. Yeah, so a very small number might be able to say so. But then again a I'd view them as the exception that proves the rule.

So glad for your family that you father saw how close he came and took corrective action. Not everyone does. My dad, for example. He did that twice (that I know of) and never saw it as a big deal.
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I grew up around guns, and respect them. Been witness to what happens with people that dont.
Mistakes of that nature cant be undone
 
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