Another story that proves guns make people safer

It’s moronic to think allowing ownership of handguns have made people safer. I for one can’t wait for our country to put a total ban on the sale and possession of handguns the sole purpose of which is killing another human.

Thankfully I was not indoctrinated to believe that firearms provide any form of safety/security. The most dangerous thing around here is the mosquito.

This little piece, from my grandpa, has a solid barrel, horizontally sliding 6 shot magazine that slides from front to back after each trigger pull. Sparks shoot out the top of the barrel and below that hole is a window to read how many shots are left - as the magazine has numbers along its side. Was told it was used to knock out/ tranquilize animals - not sure why or how but guessing the blanks I don't possess would have to be special for that capability.

Let's talk about legislation and the $1000 question....

OLBERMANN VS THE 2ND AMENDMENT. THAT THERE WAS NO PLAN TO SHOOT UP THE ALL-STAR GAME ISN'T GOOD NEWS

A stash of 1000 rounds of ammo, 16 long guns, and body armor was found in a hotel room blocks from the site of Tuesday's baseball All-Star Game in Denver - and one of the "guests" had asked to be moved to a room with a balcony.

And when the FBI said there was no reason to assume the stockpile was meant to be used to shoot up the game or the fans or whoever, many of us - for some reason - took that as good news. Why is it less terrifying that a weapons cache nearly big enough to reenact the terror attack in Las Vegas in 2017 was perhaps meant for...something ELSE?

This is the same kind of The Bullshit of Acceptance - that ANYBODY having 1000 rounds of ammo is ok - that has us blithely accepting that the 2nd Amendment not only authorizes gun ownership but protects it. In a document that has 103 references to ownership and property and related terms, the 2nd Amendment never uses the word OWN nor any synonym for it.

It's not good news that we accept anybody having 1000 guns and it's even worse that we keep accepting the bullshit that the 2nd Amendment is about private ownership and not publicly-controlled militias.

DIY-HP-LED said:

OLBERMANN VS THE 2ND AMENDMENT. THAT THERE WAS NO PLAN TO SHOOT UP THE ALL-STAR GAME ISN'T GOOD NEWS

A stash of 1000 rounds of ammo, 16 long guns, and body armor was found in a hotel room blocks from the site of Tuesday's baseball All-Star Game in Denver - and one of the "guests" had asked to be moved to a room with a balcony.

And when the FBI said there was no reason to assume the stockpile was meant to be used to shoot up the game or the fans or whoever, many of us - for some reason - took that as good news. Why is it less terrifying that a weapons cache nearly big enough to reenact the terror attack in Las Vegas in 2017 was perhaps meant for...something ELSE?

This is the same kind of The Bullshit of Acceptance - that ANYBODY having 1000 rounds of ammo is ok - that has us blithely accepting that the 2nd Amendment not only authorizes gun ownership but protects it. In a document that has 103 references to ownership and property and related terms, the 2nd Amendment never uses the word OWN nor any synonym for it.

It's not good news that we accept anybody having 1000 guns and it's even worse that we keep accepting the bullshit that the 2nd Amendment is about private ownership and not publicly-controlled militias.

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I shoot 200-400 rounds per range session, when I go with a couple friends, we have 6-10 guns.
If somebody had a spare armor plate, we would absolutely shoot it for science.

I used to live in hotels for work, no fucking way I would leave my guns in my car. There's crackheads and such at hotels 24/7. Hotels look more like a cell block or projects to me... Dangerous places...

1,000rds is not alot of ammo, it's just not. People who have put very little thought into guns may think it's alot.
I put 1,000rds through my .357 the first month I owned it.

When you think of 1,000rds as a killing spree, yeah it seems like alot. But in reality those guys wanted a balcony so they could smoke weed at the hotel.... They're guys on vacation, and at least one of them smokes.
The only crime is being a prohibited possessor..... I'm pretty sure 99% of people on this site who own guns are prohibited possessors.

Furthermore, ammo isn't always available, so you may stash on "your brand", Each gun runs best with whatever ammo it happens to like... So choosing ammo is like popping 5 seeds and choosing a mother. How often have we been disappointed by seeds?
^
My buddy's Glock 43 jams with most brands of ammo. Runs 100% with what likes.
^
So if you buy a new firearm, you need to buy several brands, and about 100rds per brand. Then the gun has to run 100%, and be accurate. Then after establishing accuracy and reliability; terminal ballistics are the next priority. This is where armor, barriers, watermelon, ballistic gel etc come into play.

250rds, four guns per person, and some drug paraphernalia. That's a 2-3 hour shooting session on private property.

PizzaMan5000 said:

I shoot 200-400 rounds per range session, when I go with a couple friends, we have 6-10 guns.

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who cums first when you suck each other's cocks right after

Guns don’t kill people, toddlers holding guns kill people.

Gun culture is largely racist based and like the republicans or covid anti vaxxers and anti maskers, is just another price Americans pay for stupidity. Facts don't matter in America and these facts won't either, but are somehow acceptable to many Americans, this ain't freedom it's freedumb and being scared stupid. America has an 8 times higher gun homicide rate than Canada and we have a fairly high gun ownership rate.
"While personal safety tops the list of reasons why American gun owners say they own a firearm, 63% of US gun-related deaths are self-inflicted.
Over 23,000 Americans died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds in 2019. That number accounts for 44% of the gun suicides globally and dwarfs suicide totals in any other country in the world".

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DIY-HP-LED said:

Gun culture is largely racist based and like the republicans or covid anti vaxxers and anti maskers, is just another price Americans pay for stupidity. Facts don't matter in America and these facts won't either, but are somehow acceptable to many Americans, this ain't freedom it's freedumb and being scared stupid. America has an 8 times higher gun homicide rate than Canada and we have a fairly high gun ownership rate.
"While personal safety tops the list of reasons why American gun owners say they own a firearm, 63% of US gun-related deaths are self-inflicted.
Over 23,000 Americans died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds in 2019. That number accounts for 44% of the gun suicides globally and dwarfs suicide totals in any other country in the world".

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How US gun culture stacks up with the world | CNN

Ubiquitous gun violence in the US has left few places unscathed over the decades. As the tally of gun-related deaths continue to grow daily, here's a look at how American gun culture compares to the rest of the world.

www.cnn.com

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(best MAGA voice) Yuh well what that MEANS is that we Americans are just better at suicide than all them fur’ners from out of town who ain’t GOT no Bill of Rights in their shitholes.
freedum!

CatHedral said:

(best MAGA voice) Yuh well what that MEANS is that we Americans are just better at suicide than all them fur’ners from out of town who ain’t GOT no Bill of Rights in their shitholes.
freedum!

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Shaming depressed people that kill themselves, that's low.

Hiddengems said:

Shaming depressed people that kill themselves, that's low.

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What’s with you and shaming? I can’t shame the dead. I can sure shame killers (of others, not counting suicide) by choice.

"No criminal charges will be brought against the Arvada police officer who shot and killed John Hurley, a man who stopped a deadly mass shooting incident in Olde Town Arvada over the summer."

“The officer’s decision to shoot John Hurley was legally justified, despite his heroic actions that day.”

"After shooting Troyke, Hurley “removed Troyke’s assault rifle from his body,” according to an autopsy report. King said the officer shot Hurley after seeing him holding the assault rifle, assuming he was the active shooter."

xtsho said:

"No criminal charges will be brought against the Arvada police officer who shot and killed John Hurley, a man who stopped a deadly mass shooting incident in Olde Town Arvada over the summer."

“The officer’s decision to shoot John Hurley was legally justified, despite his heroic actions that day.”

"After shooting Troyke, Hurley “removed Troyke’s assault rifle from his body,” according to an autopsy report. King said the officer shot Hurley after seeing him holding the assault rifle, assuming he was the active shooter."

No charges will be filed against Arvada officer who killed ‘hero’ John Hurley

“The officer’s decision to shoot John Hurley was legally justified, despite his heroic actions that day,” District Attorney Alexis King said.

denvergazette.com

Officer shot, killed ‘good Samaritan’ believing he was Arvada shooter, autopsy says

John Hurley, a good Samaritan who killed a gunman targeting police in in Olde Town Arvada on June 21, has been dead for three months, and now we’re getting new information about what led to h…

kdvr.com

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How did we get to this point, where self defense = last man standing?

Fogdog said:

How did we get to this point, where self defense = last man standing?

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Hasn’t that been the default for oh 60000 years now? I see this as a contained subset in “history is written by the winners”.

CatHedral said:

Hasn’t that been the default for oh 60000 years now? I see this as a contained subset in “history is written by the winners”.

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Maybe the prior 50 years are a were an aberration?


While in many respects dramatically different, including their outcomes -- Rittenhouse was acquitted and the defendants in the Arbery case were convicted of murder -- both high-profile cases center on people who were armed and put themselves into potentially dangerous situations, fatally shooting people in the process and asserting that they did so in self-defense.

According to experts and advocates, the landscape of self-defense laws in recent decades has shifted to a more expansive notion that includes the right not to retreat from danger. The burden of proving self-defense in court has been removed in many jurisdictions, shifting the responsibility to disprove self-defense to the prosecution.

As part of this trend, at least 27 states have passed controversial "stand your ground laws" since the early 1990s, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The SPLC found that these laws "remove the traditional obligation to de-escalate a confrontation and avoid using lethal force in public by stepping away (or 'retreating') when it is safe to do so."

In any case, UK, Canada, Japan, Australia and other similarly developed countries aren't in agreement.

I simply don't remember a time when so many people were getting off scott free after killing somebody by claiming self defense.

Fogdog said:

Maybe the prior 50 years are a were an aberration?

Arbery, Rittenhouse cases spotlight self-defense and vigilantism

Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges. All three men charged in Ahmaud Arbery's death were convicted in his murder.

abcnews.go.com

While in many respects dramatically different, including their outcomes -- Rittenhouse was acquitted and the defendants in the Arbery case were convicted of murder -- both high-profile cases center on people who were armed and put themselves into potentially dangerous situations, fatally shooting people in the process and asserting that they did so in self-defense.

According to experts and advocates, the landscape of self-defense laws in recent decades has shifted to a more expansive notion that includes the right not to retreat from danger. The burden of proving self-defense in court has been removed in many jurisdictions, shifting the responsibility to disprove self-defense to the prosecution.

As part of this trend, at least 27 states have passed controversial "stand your ground laws" since the early 1990s, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The SPLC found that these laws "remove the traditional obligation to de-escalate a confrontation and avoid using lethal force in public by stepping away (or 'retreating') when it is safe to do so."

In any case, UK, Canada, Japan, Australia and other similarly developed countries aren't in agreement.

I simply don't remember a time when so many people were getting off scott free after killing somebody by claiming self defense.

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Yeah. The Rittenhouse outcome violates my concept of good judicial process.

PizzaMan5000 said:

I shoot 200-400 rounds per range session, when I go with a couple friends, we have 6-10 guns.
If somebody had a spare armor plate, we would absolutely shoot it for science.

I used to live in hotels for work, no fucking way I would leave my guns in my car. There's crackheads and such at hotels 24/7. Hotels look more like a cell block or projects to me... Dangerous places...

1,000rds is not alot of ammo, it's just not. People who have put very little thought into guns may think it's alot.
I put 1,000rds through my .357 the first month I owned it.

When you think of 1,000rds as a killing spree, yeah it seems like alot. But in reality those guys wanted a balcony so they could smoke weed at the hotel.... They're guys on vacation, and at least one of them smokes.
The only crime is being a prohibited possessor..... I'm pretty sure 99% of people on this site who own guns are prohibited possessors.

Furthermore, ammo isn't always available, so you may stash on "your brand", Each gun runs best with whatever ammo it happens to like... So choosing ammo is like popping 5 seeds and choosing a mother. How often have we been disappointed by seeds?
^
My buddy's Glock 43 jams with most brands of ammo. Runs 100% with what likes.
^
So if you buy a new firearm, you need to buy several brands, and about 100rds per brand. Then the gun has to run 100%, and be accurate. Then after establishing accuracy and reliability; terminal ballistics are the next priority. This is where armor, barriers, watermelon, ballistic gel etc come into play.

250rds, four guns per person, and some drug paraphernalia. That's a 2-3 hour shooting session on private property.

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Most people are less safe when they own a gun.

Fogdog said:

Maybe the prior 50 years are a were an aberration?

Arbery, Rittenhouse cases spotlight self-defense and vigilantism

Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges. All three men charged in Ahmaud Arbery's death were convicted in his murder.

abcnews.go.com

While in many respects dramatically different, including their outcomes -- Rittenhouse was acquitted and the defendants in the Arbery case were convicted of murder -- both high-profile cases center on people who were armed and put themselves into potentially dangerous situations, fatally shooting people in the process and asserting that they did so in self-defense.

According to experts and advocates, the landscape of self-defense laws in recent decades has shifted to a more expansive notion that includes the right not to retreat from danger. The burden of proving self-defense in court has been removed in many jurisdictions, shifting the responsibility to disprove self-defense to the prosecution.

As part of this trend, at least 27 states have passed controversial "stand your ground laws" since the early 1990s, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The SPLC found that these laws "remove the traditional obligation to de-escalate a confrontation and avoid using lethal force in public by stepping away (or 'retreating') when it is safe to do so."

In any case, UK, Canada, Japan, Australia and other similarly developed countries aren't in agreement.

I simply don't remember a time when so many people were getting off scott free after killing somebody by claiming self defense.

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Rittenhouse was attacked. The killers in the auburey case were the attackers. It's very simple.