Booze is legal and MJ is not? What a crazy world..

Antny420

Antny420

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poplars said:
sorry but all that post did was demonstrate your lack of knowledge of chemistry.

I suggest you learn some?

but you probably wont. so keep sipping your beers, smoking your ciggs, and thinking weed is kinda bad for you.
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I think weed is great for me It helps me when I get massive head aches witch make me not sleep or wanna eat for days...The best thing I could have ever done is get my Medical Marijuana Recommendation.It has truly helped me in alot of ways
 
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The Lone Bonger

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The fact that harmful drugs like Alcohol and Tobacco are perfectly legal and accepted by the general masses, while something completely harmless like Marijuana, is made Illegal and anyone who smokes it is automatically branded a "loser" and a "worthless drug-addict" by society, just goes to show how incredibly Full of Shit this society, it's "laws", and it's entire thought process really are.

My father died an alcohol related death recently (liver problems), and although he was a good man, he pretty much Drunk himself to death over the past 30 years. It's really sad to see someone you love and lookup to so much like that, mentally decline and eventually kill themselves in such a pathetic manner, with a Legal substance that has been proven time and time again to ruin peoples/families lives. This is the reality of what alcohol does to people over time. Still people idioticically walk into the Alcohol trap like lemmings walking to the very slow and painful slaughter, time and time again.

This world can have their steady decline. Legal or Illegal, I'll just keep on blazin up the Dank, and as it has always done before, it will continue to drive me higher in all aspects of my life. :leaf::peace:
 
highflyby

highflyby

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HoLE said:
I got long time friends who don't smoke cigs and only ever smoked weed,,so when they are literally coughing up a lung with tears streaming down there cheeks after a big bong rip you can't tell me it's harmless
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Welll, first off, yes I can. Second, if it is true that your buddy NEVER smoked cigarettes in his life(because you know, you guys are attached at the hip right?), then im going to say your buddy is coughing because you got some good weed buddy. :weed:

And if your pun at "literally" coughing up a piece of lung, then your friend would have to have a pretty serious condition, that also wouldn't allow him to smoke.

All i can say hole is, ignore the idiots that hail the plant as "the perfect cure", but don't try and contradict them, because now your just making yourself look worse than them. they have some basis to stem their crazy excess beliefs off of, you have nothing.

If you can provide me with one documented case of anything worse than a mild case of bronchitis due to smoking marijuana only, I shall agree with you.
 
poplars

poplars

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well, let me go by your shit-logic hole.


even by this logic, this article should atleast INFLUENCE what you think about cannabis.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/20290

this woman smoked most of her life, cannabis joints, and lived to 120 (not sure if she's still alive or not.)

now by your logic, if cannabis was bad for you in ANY WAY. this woman could NOT have lived as long as she has.

now if you want to debate the true chemistry and how it's bad, I"m totally game. but what you posted just pissed me off because it's the same ignorant bullshit the media throws around and the prohibitionists love.
 
highflyby

highflyby

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Also just wanted to add....all that bullshit Hole posted up there looks like something he copied off the DEA website, what an idiot. Stop reading your mainstream paid media, and read the hundred or so research studies done around the world that prove you otherwise. Check even the tests done by our own government, and lay off the beers so early in the morning bro ;) toke a bong and leave the beers for the afternoon

Keep livin the good life bongsmilie

HfB
 
HoLE

HoLE

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highflyby said:
Welll, first off, yes I can. Second, if it is true that your buddy NEVER smoked cigarettes in his life(because you know, you guys are attached at the hip right?), then im going to say your buddy is coughing because you got some good weed buddy. :weed:

And if your pun at "literally" coughing up a piece of lung, then your friend would have to have a pretty serious condition, that also wouldn't allow him to smoke.

All i can say hole is, ignore the idiots that hail the plant as "the perfect cure", but don't try and contradict them, because now your just making yourself look worse than them. they have some basis to stem their crazy excess beliefs off of, you have nothing.

If you can provide me with one documented case of anything worse than a mild case of bronchitis due to smoking marijuana only, I shall agree with you.
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Effects on the Lungs



Smoking marijuana, even infrequently, can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, and cause heavy coughing. Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:
marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers usually inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer.
One study found that marijuana smokers were three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco


I'm not here to argue man,,I love the weed to as I already said,,,if someone has a substance abuse problem it's all a self control issue,,I agreed smokes and alchohol are bad,,but mommas plant is as well,,if someone wants to believe it isn't,,thats there choice,,I didn't get snippy with anyone,,I just put my opinion from research I read,,right or wrong,,doesn't matter,,I'm a member here as well,,and I don't come onto people whether I believe what they believe or not,,
 
poplars

poplars

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HoLE said:
Effects on the Lungs



Smoking marijuana, even infrequently, can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, and cause heavy coughing. Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:
marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers usually inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer.
One study found that marijuana smokers were three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco


I'm not here to argue man,,I love the weed to as I already said,,,if someone has a substance abuse problem it's all a self control issue,,I agreed smokes and alchohol are bad,,but mommas plant is as well,,if someone wants to believe it isn't,,thats there choice,,I didn't get snippy with anyone,,I just put my opinion from research I read,,right or wrong,,doesn't matter,,I'm a member here as well,,and I don't come onto people whether I believe what they believe or not,,
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ok well one thing on the carcinogen issue.

there may be carcinogens in cannabis smoke, but the amount of cannabinoids present counteract the carcinogens.

I can go into the details of how cannabis prevents (and possibly cures) cancer if you'd like.

and plus you can always vaporize. bag vaporizers are truly amazing.
 
highflyby

highflyby

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HoLE said:
Effects on the Lungs



Smoking marijuana, even infrequently, can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, and cause heavy coughing. Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:
marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers usually inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer.
One study found that marijuana smokers were three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco


I'm not here to argue man,,I love the weed to as I already said,,,if someone has a substance abuse problem it's all a self control issue,,I agreed smokes and alchohol are bad,,but mommas plant is as well,,if someone wants to believe it isn't,,thats there choice,,I didn't get snippy with anyone,,I just put my opinion from research I read,,right or wrong,,doesn't matter,,I'm a member here as well,,and I don't come onto people whether I believe what they believe or not,,
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Well first off sir, I dont smoke out of ANYTHING but my vaporizer, so your point is null, and void. I cant believe you even posted that, your really going to tell me even if I did smoke a rolled j, its more dangerous because i "typically hold it in longer" lol thats bullshit. They dont even contain the same carcinogens as cigarettes, so dont bother buddy.

Also, our body naturally has receptors built in to receive cannabinoids. Is there a receptor for your beers? Anyway, you claim such things as "distorted senses" or whatever. Did you know that both you and poplars have a point, but you need to stop looking at extreme cases. There is DIFFERENT kinds of marijauana, that effect DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Some people may get increased heart rate, distorted perception or impaired memory, but I have also seen tests done with some sativas that gave the user increased perceptions, and kept her more focused and helped improve her memory skills.

The bottom line: It depends on the drug, and the user. Stop laying out generic blankets, thats ignorant,, but I also agree some peopel should NOT use marijuana, because It can ruin their lives.
 
grassified

grassified

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poplars hate to disagree with ya but all of those things are for the most part true to a certain extent.
 
HoLE

HoLE

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highflyby said:
Also just wanted to add....all that bullshit Hole posted up there looks like something he copied off the DEA website, what an idiot. Stop reading your mainstream paid media, and read the hundred or so research studies done around the world that prove you otherwise. Check even the tests done by our own government, and lay off the beers so early in the morning bro ;) toke a bong and leave the beers for the afternoon

Keep livin the good life bongsmilie

HfB
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and lay off the beers so early in the morning bro ;) toke a bong and leave the beers for the afternoon

this is the reason I came in this thread in the first place,,,lemme say this again,,you can roll out of bed and do a big bong hit and it's ok,,,,I can't roll outta bed and have a beer,,cuz it's not acceptable,,all I said was it's a matter of self control,,now I'm an idiot in your eyes,,and ignorant in Poplars,,you guys should start back on page 1 and think it through before you attack someone because you automatically think they are not on your side
 
highflyby

highflyby

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HoLE said:
and lay off the beers so early in the morning bro ;) toke a bong and leave the beers for the afternoon

this is the reason I came in this thread in the first place,,,lemme say this again,,you can roll out of bed and do a big bong hit and it's ok,,,,I can't roll outta bed and have a beer,,cuz it's not acceptable,,all I said was it's a matter of self control,,now I'm an idiot in your eyes,,and ignorant in Poplars,,you guys should start back on page 1 and think it through before you attack someone because you automatically think they are not on your side
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your words speak for themselves, dont back down from them now!

I agreed with you that alcohol and marijuana can be abused, but there is also a difference between takin a bong rip in the morning, and getting drunk. If you disagree, keep it to your fucking self, cause im not gonna argue with an alcoholic. you dont see "marijuanaholics" do ya. You get alcoholics that maybe change from alcohol, to marijuana and abuse it the same, so at that point its the person, not the drug.

So what im saying to you sir is, maybe you should evaluate your own situation before posting on here that everyone else has a problem with marijuana since you have an alcohol problem. We all dont have the same problems bud ;)
 
HoLE

HoLE

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highflyby said:
your words speak for themselves, dont back down from them now!

I agreed with you that alcohol and marijuana can be abused, but there is also a difference between takin a bong rip in the morning, and getting drunk. If you disagree, keep it to your fucking self, cause im not gonna argue with an alcoholic. you dont see "marijuanaholics" do ya. You get alcoholics that maybe change from alcohol, to marijuana and abuse it the same, so at that point its the person, not the drug.

So what im saying to you sir is, maybe you should evaluate your own situation before posting on here that everyone else has a problem with marijuana since you have an alcohol problem. We all dont have the same problems bud ;)
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this is way outta hand,,I'm an easy going guy and don't have to call people names with a different point of view,,this all started cuz I said yes weed is harmful,,Poplars doesn't agree,,says he has proof,well fucking prove it then,,and not with cannabisculture,,cuz they aren't going to say it's bad in any way,,try some non-biased research plz cuz mine wasn't DEA approved
 
HoLE

HoLE

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HoLE said:
if you read my post,,i wasn't yaying or naying,I love the weed too,I was only expressing that it is harmfull in many ways,but poplars said i was ignorant,,,but I do know how to read,,not here to argue
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thank you whoever rep'd me for this and didn't sign it
 
poplars

poplars

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HoLE said:
this is way outta hand,,I'm an easy going guy and don't have to call people names with a different point of view,,this all started cuz I said yes weed is harmful,,Poplars doesn't agree,,says he has proof,well fucking prove it then,,and not with cannabisculture,,cuz they aren't going to say it's bad in any way,,try some non-biased research plz cuz mine wasn't DEA approved
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well let me explain my case before you make me go look for the university articles I got this information from in the first place.

cannabinoid receptors are some of the most populated receptors in the human body. they come in two types, CB1 and CB2. CB1 is most found in the brain. CB2 is most found in T-cells and nerve cells(I think, not 100% sure of this.)

when cancer mutates, unless it mutates off of the genes that express cannabinoid receptors, the cancer has over a 90% chance of expressing cannabinoid receptors on the outside of the cell.

and ironically, these receptors found on the cancer cells on the outside, are all CB2. the same receptor found on our T-cells.

so the article basically says the cannabinoids bind to the cb2 receptors expressed on the outside of cancer cells and shuts down the main blood vessel in the cell.

so though this elegant reaction, cannabinoids effectively prevent lung cancer and many other cancers in the body from forming.

I am NOT saying it cures 100% of cancers, as I said there's always that chance that the gene will mutate and cause an entirely different sort of cancer to form that may not express cb2 receptors on the outside.

but as it is now, MOST cancer expresses cannabinoid receptors, hence the statistics that cannabis smokers have a decreased risk in head and neck cancers.

I'll get the university articles confirming this in a bit.

and also, THC is an expectorant. which means it breaks up thick mucus. which is the reason you cough so much.
 
HoLE

HoLE

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poplars said:
well let me explain my case before you make me go look for the university articles I got this information from in the first place.

cannabinoid receptors are some of the most populated receptors in the human body. they come in two types, CB1 and CB2. CB1 is most found in the brain. CB2 is most found in T-cells and nerve cells(I think, not 100% sure of this.)

when cancer mutates, unless it mutates off of the genes that express cannabinoid receptors, the cancer has over a 90% chance of expressing cannabinoid receptors on the outside of the cell.

and ironically, these receptors found on the cancer cells on the outside, are all CB2. the same receptor found on our T-cells.

so the article basically says the cannabinoids bind to the cb2 receptors expressed on the outside of cancer cells and shuts down the main blood vessel in the cell.

so though this elegant reaction, cannabinoids effectively prevent lung cancer and many other cancers in the body from forming.

I am NOT saying it cures 100% of cancers, as I said there's always that chance that the gene will mutate and cause an entirely different sort of cancer to form that may not express cb2 receptors on the outside.

but as it is now, MOST cancer expresses cannabinoid receptors, hence the statistics that cannabis smokers have a decreased risk in head and neck cancers.

I'll get the university articles confirming this in a bit.

and also, THC is an expectorant. which means it breaks up thick mucus. which is the reason you cough so much.
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I also didn't make cancer my main post in here,,all I said is it is harmful
 
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