Booze is legal and MJ is not? What a crazy world..

poplars said:

good, that makes my job a lot easier as the research supporting my points in cancer are hard to find.

anyways, this article shows that cannabinoid receptors when activated by cannabinoids, facilitate neurogenesis, and somewhere it should say it's neuroprotective as well.

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/25509/version/1

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Poplars,,I don't deny it's good in many ways,,but it also has it's downfalls,,if you can't agree with that I'm sorry,,I'm not here to force you to,,I just had an opinion that it is harmful in some ways and didn't need the name calling ,,if you can't be respectful in trying to prove or dis-prove something,,it just makes you look like a little kid

Drunk drivers run stop signs. pot heads wait for them to turn green. alcohol killed my brother. r.i.p. PJS

dangledo said:

Drunk drivers run stop signs. pot heads wait for them to turn green. alcohol killed my brother. r.i.p. PJS

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sorry for your loss dangledo,,,people should know there limit

so you still haven't given me any hard evidence to exactly how it is bad?

if you vaporize or eat it, exactly how is it bad?

poplars said:

so you still haven't given me any hard evidence to exactly how it is bad?

if you vaporize or eat it, exactly how is it bad?

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and you've attacked me with no proof it's not

bullshit. I've gave you logical reasoning as to how it is good for you if not smoked.


so I really can't debate with you on this if you post no proof, all I can say is that you TRULY are ignorant if you can't produce any proof to backup YOUR points.

poplars said:

bullshit. I've gave you logical reasoning as to how it is good for you if not smoked.


so I really can't debate with you on this if you post no proof, all I can say is that you TRULY are ignorant if you can't produce any proof to backup YOUR points.

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are you sure that sativa you smoked wasn't crack,,cuz you seem a lil paranoid ,,,I already posted some non-DEA research that you ignored,,I got better things to do than argue with you

Good-Bye

HoLE said:

are you sure that sativa you smoked wasn't crack,,cuz you seem a lil paranoid ,,,I already posted some non-DEA research that you ignored,,I got better things to do than argue with you

Good-Bye

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sorry but unless I see research from an actual UNIVERSITY, it's total junk media garbage.

you're obviously too drunk to get your facts straight so I'll assume you're done arguing.

Thanks hole, and your right. People need to know when to stop.

Poplars- you wanted a university study, LINKED to harmful effects of cannabis use. Although it states its not proven. and i may not agree with it. here it is. (cut and paste)

Mikkel Arendt, Ph.D., a fellow at the Center for Basic Psychiatric Research at the University of Aarhus in Denmark, and coworkers used the Danish Psychiatric Central Register to identify patients treated for a first marijuana-induced psychotic episode between 1994 and 1999. There were 535 such patients. The researchers then followed those patients for at least three years to determine how many of them experienced subsequent psychotic episodes and how many could be diagnosed with a schizophrenia-spectrum disorder.
The researchers found that 77 percent of the subjects incurred subsequent psychotic episodes and that 45 percent could be diagnosed at some time within the next three years or more with a schizophrenia-spectrum disorder. Moreover, of the 45 percent who developed a schizophrenia-spectrum disorder after experiencing marijuana-induced psychosis, 37 percent received such a diagnosis within three years and the remaining eight after three years. Furthermore, those who developed such a disorder did so at an earlier age than did comparison subjects—individuals who developed such a disorder but who had no recorded history of marijuana-induced psychotic symptoms. This effect was most marked for paranoid schizophrenia.
“An episode of short-lived psychotic symptoms following cannabis use seems to have great prognostic value.”
Thus, “for the majority of patients, cannabis-induced psychotic symptoms proved to be a first step in the development of a schizophrenia-spectrum disorder or other severe psychopathology,” Arendt and his group concluded in their study report, which was published in the December 2005 British Journal of Psychiatry.
The results do not prove that marijuana is causally linked with schizophrenia, the researchers stated; owing to the study design, it was not possible to control for potentially confounding factors such as hereditary predisposition, socioeconomic status, or other kinds of drug use. Nonetheless, the researchers concluded, marijuana use might well hasten the onset of schizophrenia since the subjects who developed schizophrenia in the wake of using marijuana did so at a younger age than the comparison subjects.

take what you want from this article, I did. nothing!

sorry that's not good enough for me. I need several studies confirming this, and they all have to show how they did their tests.

Thanks to all who posted their perspectives :muchrespect: It was a fun and informative read

poplars said:

sorry that's not good enough for me. I need several studies confirming this, and they all have to show how they did their tests.

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Just google it. marijuana, psychosis
1st link related to topic shows page after page of studies and info. lol
now show us studies that claim its 100% harm free.
Nicotine can be good for you.
Redwine can be good for you.
caffeine can be good for you.
And all can be bad for you....

HoLE said:

yes both smokes and alchohol are dangerous,,I agree,,,but I do both,,pack a day,,and I can easily quaff back 15-20 beers a day,,and I do,,,but it's my liver so don't worry about it,,I don't hop in my vehicle and run people over,,or beat my kids and wife in a drunken frenzy,,all my bills are paid and my family gets the best I can give them,,I am all for the legalization of MJ but don't think for a second that the "natural plant" is harmless,,I got long time friends who don't smoke cigs and only ever smoked weed,,so when they are literally coughing up a lung with tears streaming down there cheeks after a big bong rip you can't tell me it's harmless,,,for that matter just the crap we breathe in our air could kill us,,should we all stop breathing now,,I'm not here to yay or nay the thread,,i just get a lil defensive when people say one is better or worse than the other,,I guess it's cuzz I drink and am only hurting myself

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I wasn't talking about how good people can handle their liquor. I was saying that alcohol and cigarettes are extremely harmful healthwise and MJ is not. I smoke out of a vaporizer so yes, it is harmless. MJ has helped me with my migraines and insomnnia.. it does nothing but good things for me and isn't hurting me in any way. It isn't even physically addictive. Can you say that about your drinking 15-20 beers a day or smoking a pack a day? Probably not.
And yes, its your liver, your business... but you can't deny the fact that my smoking out of a vape is harmless compared to your heavy alcohol/tobacco use.

I used to smoke cigarrettes and drink on a regular.. but I was tired of the hangovers, and feeling like shit, and not being able to breathe right, and running out of breath when I would run.. so I quit and just decided to stay smoking my herb and now I feel great. I feel healthy and normal. I can honestly say that quitting drinking and smoking ciggs is probably the best desicion I've ever made for myself.. and like I said, MJ has done wonders for me, so its all I do now and I'm happy. So to each their own.. but like Poplars said, you are poisoning your body with alcohol and cigarettes.. especially if you use as much as you say you do.

Antny420 said:

Why are you hating Trees so bad?

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My thoughts exactly.

dangledo said:

Just google it. marijuana, psychosis
1st link related to topic shows page after page of studies and info. lol
now show us studies that claim its 100% harm free.
Nicotine can be good for you.
Redwine can be good for you.
caffeine can be good for you.
And all can be bad for you....

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thanks for another bs response with absolutely no useful info.

I'm totally done with this thread. if you all only want to read the government BS of course you're going to believe it's bad like everything else, I have no motivation to argue with you morons anymore.

I studied Psychology at Iowa state university, including classes in Psychopharmacology, drugs and behavior, and many brain chemistry classes. All of those psychosis test are completely worthless due to the confounding variables they spoke of. Also, they should have cited the fact that people who may be predisposed to schizophrenia have strong drug-seeking and self-medicating behaviors as well.

It's commonly known that these are mainly funded, even university studies, by special interest groups. They look for researchers that are already trying to prove what they want the outcome to be, and ignore confounding factors that any respectable researcher would scrap all the findings over. Look at smoking, in the 40s and 50s, you could find about 90% of every doctor telling you that smoking "helps digestion, it's a medical fact!" or some other complete misinformation. Even smart people buy into societal pressures and "common wisdom" even when it flies in the face of all reasoning. That's how we as humans can handle all the information our brains receive: we want to believe things on faith, it's easier to classify something into a group and let it be, instead of questioning ourselves and searching for the reality behind our perceptions.

I just blew your minds, didn't I?

poplars said:

thanks for another bs response with absolutely no useful info.

I'm totally done with this thread. if you all only want to read the government BS of course you're going to believe it's bad like everything else, I have no motivation to argue with you morons anymore.

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That song comes to mind..
runaway..........
runaway...........
from the paiayayayayayin (pain). lololololol


marijuana combusted contains carcinogens. are you gonna argue with that?
calling people names is a weak trait, you need to overcome that.
blah blah, my vaporizer takes all that away!! no it doesnt. unless you vape below 250, its got combusted plant material. (ive got a volcano, and I know it has little smoke in the vapor).
as for the psychosis thing, like I said, I dont agree with it.

dangledo said:

That song comes to mind..
runaway..........
runaway...........
from the paiayayayayayin (pain). lololololol


marijuana combusted contains carcinogens. are you gonna argue with that?
calling people names is a weak trait, you need to overcome that.
blah blah, my vaporizer takes all that away!! no it doesnt. unless you vape below 250, its got combusted plant material. (ive got a volcano, and I know it has little smoke in the vapor).
as for the psychosis thing, like I said, I dont agree with it.

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wow, even when you try to not be ignorant you are.

there are UNIVERSITY STUDIES, that state that the volcano completely eliminated carcinogens at 365 degrees.

thanks for more ignorance, I suppose I"m not done with this thread after toking some sativa and seeing your ignorant post.

Now your seeing the light. So you agree smoking not vaporizing, contains carcinogens? Now are carcinogens good for you? no. soooooooooo, smoking cannabis is not harmless. You really have a hard on for university studies dont you.
Do you need a university study to tell you carcinogens are not good?
you just dont know any better do you? (ignorance)
oh yea, a quote from a UNIVERSITY STUDY.
"it is possible to vaporize medically active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) by heating marijuana to a temperature short of the point of combustion, thereby eliminating or substantially reducing potentially harmful smoke toxins that are normally present in marijuana smoke".


bet you respond, just cant help yourself.

the anticancer properties of cannabinoids cancel out the carcinogens found in cannabis smoke.

only reason I responded earlier is because you tried to claim there was still carcinogens in your volcano vape which has been proven to contain no carcinogens at 365 degrees.

if you had read my posts in the previous pages you would know that cannabinoids prevent cancer from forming in the lungs unless you have a rogue mutation that stops the expression of CB2 receptors on the cancer cell.