farmers markets

sencinitas said:

Alright well I didn't read this whole thread. Just the 1st few and last few, so I apologize if I'm restating information but I am pretty informed on the subject and would like to offer my knowledge to anyone who might be benefited.

IN CALIFORNIA:

Patients who belong to a Collective may "share", "give", "donate", (whatever you wanna call it) meds to other patients who also belong to their collective. Donations (money) may be accepted in exchange (for meds) but it (the money) MUST go through the the Non-Profit Corporations (collectives) accounting process.

i.e. Let's say Joe is the president of a Non-Profit Collective in CA and Joe "sells" an oz through his collective for $300 (including CA sales tax) to a patient. That $300 can not go directly into Joes pocket. Even if Joe grew it and and did all the work to "sell" it. That $300 has to 1st go to the Non-Profit Corp. Usually it would be deposited into the collective bank account. But the main thing is that the transaction is to be documented in the companies books and CA sales tax is to be paid for said transaction.
This must happen with every dollar that comes into the collective. The same exact thing must be done with every dollar spent. If a vendor/grower comes in and "donates" a lb. for $3000, it must be documented in the companies books that $3000 was spent on 1 lb of meds and was paid to said Vendor.

FYI: This is how all tax paying companies (are supposed to anyways) operate. The difference between a for-profit and a not-for-profit corporation is how board-members (owners) get paid.

In a for-profit situation the owner MAY take all left over money at the end of the month, week, etc (however they decide to break up the year, usually monthly or bi-weekly)

In a not-for-profit ALL "profits" must be re-invested back into the company. The "owners" are paid a pre-determined salary regardless of how much money the company makes.

So MAIN difference here is that the owners of of for-profit business take all the left over money because they own the company and therefore the money.

For a non-profit the "owner" doesn't technically "own" the comapany (and therefore the money) but just works for the collective (even though he fulfills the duties and does work, just like an owner would). The company must pay the "owner" of a non-profit, because the money belongs to the company, not the "owner"

It is my understanding that as long as a collective abides by these financial guidelines the medium they choose i.e. delivery, retail style store-front, or farmers market is up to them.

In the case of a (legal) FM, the growers are operating as collective employees and any payment they receive is from the Collective itself and not from the actual patient. You may hand your money to the grower but the grower gives the money to the collective. Who in turn accounts for it and then pays the grower for growing the meds for the collective.

Again this is for CA only. I dunno about the rest of the states.

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gladstoned said:

Which market(s) have you been to?

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Timmahh said:

one in flint. i havnt been to myself, but many of the locals have. heard good and bad from those that have been there.

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Timmahh said:

maybe some of you should contact recent RIU member Bear, or THC Bear. Talk to him about the Jackson Farmers Market, and how it is illegal, and how TCH Bear shouldnt be going there to get free Meds cuz he cant grow them himself, is a vet on disability and cant afford much of anything, and how he is being taken advantage of by Joe and the JFM.


Maybe you can contact JDChrones and see how he has recieved Zero help from the 3MA or its Membership. No compassion there at all...



IM sure he would agree with you their is Zero compassion from Joe or the JFM.

Some people do things for money, some do them because they are the Right things to do. I know Joe is in the latter Group of individuals If he was in it for the money, every county would already have a running FM.

Speaking of..... IF Joe is making SO much money at the Jackson FM, the maybe you can explain to me why the rest of the money grubbrs havnt opened one up> I mean Mi is full of greedy people that love money. If the Jackson FM is making SO MUCH of it, then shouldnt their aleady be a FM in every county? Jail or the prospect of it, never stops a greedy person from capitalizing on making money at anyones expense.

Doesnt it seem to be weird, with such a Major money maker as the Jackson Farmers Market, that nearly no other Greedy fuck has opened one?
if GOOD money can be made, someone will make it, jail be damned....

Can anyone explain that to me, and dont use the a FM Is illegal. there are about 4 in the state now, and more opening. Mostly because they ARE legal, but really not a money maker IF they are modeled after the Jackson ran FM.

I posted up Joes Not For Profit Farmers Market model for all to read. Must of had to many big words and non understandable sentences and phrases for many to understand cuz no one seemed to find an issue with it they could latch on to and bleed dry for whine and bitch material.

either that or the fact its a solid model with minimal capacity to create alot of money for anyone person just eluded those that read it?

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Timmahh said:

Well luckily for all you folks, The House of Reps new Task Force on Distribution will tackle this issue starting next month. The 1st meeting they are having is with the association from Colorado, that want to do all the growing for the Mi distribution system the Task Force is about. IE> Michigan Wants to do what Colorado is doing with dispensaries, and allow for ZERO growers here in the state.

How many of you can afford 500,000.00 in apps and fees to open a FM Or Dispensary? cuz if these guys get their way, the only Cannabis growing going on in Michigan, will be done in Colorado.

How will that fit into your long term goals of being a CG here in the state?

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bob harris said:

The question shouldn't be how will it effect someones desire to be a caregiver. The med law isn't about care givers. The law, and the question, is about patients.

So what's wrong with only a few, regulated growers, providing the meds, if PATIENTS get a system which allows them to purchase med quality, tested cannabis...as opposed to cg grown "who knows" quality?

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st0wandgrow said:

The problem is people will be forced to BUY those meds, and may not be able to afford to do that. As it stands right now, they can grow for themselves, or designate a caregiver that is willing to provide them free, or extremely low cost meds.

Under the Colorado model, we are back to a traditional profiteering type of medical system that we have in every other aspect of our health care system in this country.

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Timmahh said:

they allow you 6 plants total to self grow. its hard enough to make things work sometimes with 12. take cuts, plant seeds, save only the two or 3 best, trash the rest, or donate/gift them ( if any are good still) to others that need them.......

cannabis is a PLANT, it NEEDS NO manufacturing once grown to full term, to be utilized. it needs no real processing. cut it, dry it, cure it, and its ready, just like corn, wheat, or rice...

So it has NOTHING similar needed like alcohol does, or even Marinol. The cost of production to the table for use is inexpensive, IF the outside resources can be utilized. Other wise going insdie isnt that cheap.

I got my elec bill last month and it just sickens me. I actually used 100.00 in total ecec for my entire home, grow included, but my bill was 163, for the delivery fees, distrobution fees, taxes, assessments, and some other bs fee of 4.00 a month. Now if i tried to donate cannbis like that, i would be a profiteering crimnal.

20.00 for that 1/2 ounce, but need to have a 10.00 acces fee, a 3.00 bag fee, a 6.00 jar fee, and 15.00 office fee, and a 46.00 transfer fee. now that 20.00 1/2 ounce is 100.00 and i should be legal, because I have legally assessed approprite fees of providing that cannabis, err electricity, err Water, err, Sewage Drain for your health and convenience, and community needs commitments of your financial resources, without your consent.

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