First Grow - 2 x 1000w

wildcajun

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I use HB products and i am very happy with it i use grow ,micro,bloom just like you ,i also use HB Honey ,then awesome blossom in flower ,first week of flower i use MOAB and Last 2 weeks of Flower i use MOAB,also molasses at he very end ,I drench my soil every time i feed or water till i have a good run off Yes i use the chart and go by it full strength . Happy Farming <Cajun I just harvested yesterday in drying box now
 

Devildog93

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And also consider that the intensity of the light without enough nute compounded the problem. Hey, it's better than the dreaded lock-out I guess.

With hydro, you go by the numeric readouts on metering instruments to tell how much your plants are feeding, making it much more precise than soil. You also know exactly what the ph is at all times, again, unlike soil.

Soil doesn't suck. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it can actually be harder than hydro in certain ways contrary to the popular notion. If you don't have a perfect custom mix of organic soil that you have personally created through years of trial and error, then you're just playing guessing games as a beginner. There is far less guessing with hydro, as it literally is growing by the numbers. In that sense, a much clearer objective for the newbie.

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I don't mean to hammer on you. I hope you don't take it like that. But you have gone to the trouble of putting that great room together... why not go all the way, friend? How would you like plants that make you worry only because they're growing too fast and big? I think that's what you had in mind when you bought all that stuff and assembled such a room, am I right?
I agree.........

You nailed it, EXACTLY the way I think about hydro vs. "soil". The only grows that I ever had that went 100% as perfect as I could imagine were on flood/drain tables.

Green till the end, GIANT colas, and large "quantities" with hydro.

Nearly all soil/soil-less grows I have done, including my current coco grow are fraught with deficiencies, burns, lockout, stunting.......in some form or another.

The work involved in mixing, then pouring copious amounts of water/food, nevermind breaking apart, mixing soil-less mediums, breathing in dust..............aching fucking back.

"Soil" based grows are ten times the work, for less results.......at least in my experience.....though my current coco grow is yielding positive results, but is a deficiency nightmare.

As far as taste of final smoke..................I have smoked sweet tasting hydro and shitty tasting organic bud. IME, the biggest factor in taste is how well it is dried/cured. All I know is my Juicy Fruit harvests tasted very good, and no one ever complained.

As far as soil being more forgiving.................I don't see it that way. The only thing I can say is..........it can be so much more forgiving when driving on ice if you slow down half the speed. But hydro is like putting on tire chains and grabbing 3 more gears, hearing the turbo wind out. Sorry for the trucker analogy............I've put over 15000 km this month LOL

All in all, I would give ANYTHING to be able to get my old flood/drain setup back.
 

Dubbz0r

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So far it looks like the ladies enjoyed their feed yesterday. When the lights came on they were very perky, which I haven't seen in a few days. The lemon skunks look the same. I'm starting to think I've been over watering them. It's been 3-4 days and they're still drooping. No new growth from what I can see so I'm at the worried stage with this strain. Instead of feeding them with the master kush and blue cheese I'm going to try waiting an extra day or so to let them dry out. That has to be the problem at this point. Damn sativas! I'll grab some pics next time I go down there tonight. The master kush and cheese are flowering nicely :D


I use HB products and i am very happy with it i use grow ,micro,bloom just like you ,i also use HB Honey ,then awesome blossom in flower ,first week of flower i use MOAB and Last 2 weeks of Flower i use MOAB,also molasses at he very end ,I drench my soil every time i feed or water till i have a good run off Yes i use the chart and go by it full strength . Happy Farming <Cajun I just harvested yesterday in drying box now
Since I'm using powder Kool Bloom I think I missed my mark of when I should have used it. I see more and more people use their bloom boosters during the first week, then again in the last two weeks. This is the second week of flower already. Could I add 1/4 strength of the kool bloom powder with my next nute feed and be safe?
 

Dubbz0r

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Blue Cheese:
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Master Kush:
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Lemon Skunk (looking pathetic!):
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The Garden of Weeden (i'm stupid):
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Moving these things a few weeks from now is a scary ass thought... not sure how that's going to work. When I find a place, hopefully soon, I'll be figuring out a plan to move them. Should be an interesting day to say the least ahahahaha
 

mugan

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so i take it they gave you 2 weeks? , any the plants look good hope the feed helped a little

EDIT: and as for the droopy plant, this is why i think its all in the roots

this is my last grow, this lady had to be prematured

before i fucked her roots with over watering and over feeding
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after i fucked her rots lol 050611-1142.jpg

see its a little similar with what ur plant is showing
thats all new growth and for me sadly it was bud
 

Dubbz0r

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They would have given me 10 days to get out if I wouldn't have hired an attorney at the last minute. Basically I paid $200 for an extra 20 days, so I got 30 days total. August 15th is D-Day.

So mugan, do you think there is any saving the lemon skunks or are they screwed? I know you mentioned h202 before, but if they have been over watered, would the h202 still help or is it too late? I know these plants are going to be low on the yield so if I have to pull them it's not a huge deal. The kush and cheese plants are looking pretty damn good and should have a nice yield overall. It would suck since the skunk smells so awesome.
 

ru4r34l

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I looks as if the Lemon Skunk may be getting over what looks to be an over-watering situation, do not fret just yet as the Lemon Skunk should fill out nicely. Mine have finished stretching and now are starting to look a little better.

The garden of WEEDEN is looking mighty tasty.

regards,
 

mugan

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They would have given me 10 days to get out if I wouldn't have hired an attorney at the last minute. Basically I paid $200 for an extra 20 days, so I got 30 days total. August 15th is D-Day.

So mugan, do you think there is any saving the lemon skunks or are they screwed? I know you mentioned h202 before, but if they have been over watered, would the h202 still help or is it too late? I know these plants are going to be low on the yield so if I have to pull them it's not a huge deal. The kush and cheese plants are looking pretty damn good and should have a nice yield overall. It would suck since the skunk smells so awesome.
i suggested H2O2 cuz it has an extra Oxygen molecule that gets released when its agitated so it gets oxygen yo your roots quick fast it comes in handy when you have home made soil like mine and the roots aren't well established some times when i make it rain on a young plant the soil will hold a lot of water and the plant will droop for to long at that point i kno the roots have no O2 so i use thi H2O2 to get some O to my roots and usually the H2O2 will expand my soil leaving it airated so that even after there is no more H2O2 air can get to my roots even is the soil is still wet ( try it out get some H2O2 in a container of soil you will see what i mean) also as it releases the extra molecule it kills micro organisms so your soil will be sterilized (not fully but it could help with root rot) wort case if you do it would be, your roots get oxygen and your soil gets sterile best case your roots are suffocated so the h20s get oxygen in there so your plant shows sings of recovery and you know know what the problem is and can work toward a fix
 

Dubbz0r

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I looks as if the Lemon Skunk may be getting over what looks to be an over-watering situation, do not fret just yet as the Lemon Skunk should fill out nicely. Mine have finished stretching and now are starting to look a little better.

The garden of WEEDEN is looking mighty tasty.

regards,
Thanks man. I'm being patient and praying for a good turn around for them.



i suggested H2O2 cuz it has an extra Oxygen molecule that gets released when its agitated so it gets oxygen yo your roots quick fast it comes in handy when you have home made soil like mine and the roots aren't well established some times when i make it rain on a young plant the soil will hold a lot of water and the plant will droop for to long at that point i kno the roots have no O2 so i use thi H2O2 to get some O to my roots and usually the H2O2 will expand my soil leaving it airated so that even after there is no more H2O2 air can get to my roots even is the soil is still wet ( try it out get some H2O2 in a container of soil you will see what i mean) also as it releases the extra molecule it kills micro organisms so your soil will be sterilized (not fully but it could help with root rot) wort case if you do it would be, your roots get oxygen and your soil gets sterile best case your roots are suffocated so the h20s get oxygen in there so your plant shows sings of recovery and you know know what the problem is and can work toward a fix
With the pots and soil I'm using my plants root systems should be getting more than enough oxygen. If I over watered the skunks then I guess all I can do is give them a few more days. If they don't get better by the weekend then I'll have to try something like h202.
 

lordjin

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Nice post bro, have you ever tried Coco? I heard its almost like the best of both worlds...not really sure, I am trying a CoCo now but having a lot of problems getting dialed in using coco. I think my problem is that I treat the coco like a soil grow and I am probably wrong. When the winter gets here, I am going strictly Hydro and Summer months Soil. I have 3 DWC going right now and the heat is killing me. I am still a nOOb at Hydro and learned summer months and hydro dont mix cause of the damn temps. Do you run hydro during the summer?

Peace

BKB

What is this coco? Please elaborate. Is it a fibrous medium or is it loose like soil? I've heard talk of its benefits in terms of mimicking the natural process of soil, without actually being soil. So what is it? Sorry, I'm a noob in lots of ways myself.

I don't have problems with hot hydro water because I'm running a dedicated chiller line. It gets so hot in my box that I wouldn't be able to grow without it whether summer or winter. But sure, the chiller and the ac work a lot harder in the summer, so I try to avoid having a grow going in the hottest months. Unfortunately, I'd have to fire up my engine again like right now if I want a harvest by Christmas.
 

lordjin

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I agree.........

You nailed it, EXACTLY the way I think about hydro vs. "soil". The only grows that I ever had that went 100% as perfect as I could imagine were on flood/drain tables.

Green till the end, GIANT colas, and large "quantities" with hydro.

Nearly all soil/soil-less grows I have done, including my current coco grow are fraught with deficiencies, burns, lockout, stunting.......in some form or another.

The work involved in mixing, then pouring copious amounts of water/food, nevermind breaking apart, mixing soil-less mediums, breathing in dust..............aching fucking back.

"Soil" based grows are ten times the work, for less results.......at least in my experience.....though my current coco grow is yielding positive results, but is a deficiency nightmare.

As far as taste of final smoke..................I have smoked sweet tasting hydro and shitty tasting organic bud. IME, the biggest factor in taste is how well it is dried/cured. All I know is my Juicy Fruit harvests tasted very good, and no one ever complained.

As far as soil being more forgiving.................I don't see it that way. The only thing I can say is..........it can be so much more forgiving when driving on ice if you slow down half the speed. But hydro is like putting on tire chains and grabbing 3 more gears, hearing the turbo wind out. Sorry for the trucker analogy............I've put over 15000 km this month LOL

All in all, I would give ANYTHING to be able to get my old flood/drain setup back.
Right, how could I forget the more labor-intensive aspect of dirt farming? Messing with all that dust and pouring gallons of water during flush time or emergency flush.
 

Devildog93

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@lordjin.....

Coco is the shells of coconuts, beaten and extruded into fibre, then used as a medium. Works awesome........but it has some down falls at least in my experience.

Has good drainage, and good retention at the same time. I like it, but I have to get it more dialed in I think for my needs.

I think what got me is that I assumed I would have OK growth rate, but my plants TOOK OFF in it. Now, I am playing catch up on nutes, which is tricky because it holds some of bad traits of soil mediums, like nute lock.

Like I said, I would LOVE my old flood/drain setup back. I think it's Hempy Rubbermaid time for me on the next batch. The lazyman's hydro.
 

Dubbz0r

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I was going to water my kush plants tonight but decided to give them another day. I'm wondering if I should feed just water or give more nutes. They haven't been getting much for nutrients and they still look it. They perked up from their last feeding but there are leaves still showing new signs of deficiencies. Their last feed was Tuesday and tomorrow is Friday. Any suggestions? Water or nutes?

Under the skunk plants I noticed some type of white mold on some of the root ends. I'm curious if this is from over watering or just the environment?? The humidity isn't high or low, right around 50% at all times. White mold looking shit on my roots scares me. Maybe an h202 bath should be in the works for these ladies...

Also on the cheese plants I started to lose some bottom leaves:
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One leaf was laying on the top of the soil. It was yellow and mighty crispy.
 

Dubbz0r

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Anyone? Ideas? Suggestions? Criticism? I'm supposed to feed tonight but I'm not sure what to feed. Water or nutes (see above post)
 

wildcajun

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OK not sure where you are at it has been 5 weeks since your thread started,are you in flower now ? anyway if you did not feed them last time full strength I would feed them again full power I would go with 4 Mil grow 4 Mil micro 4mil bloom, if you are in flower now add a flower booster to that also
drench real good and leave them alone for a few days they will be fine feel each pot after drenching take notice of the weight don't water/feed again until pots are lighter "a lot lighter"Happy Farming ,Cajun
 

Dubbz0r

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OK not sure where you are at it has been 5 weeks since your thread started,are you in flower now ? anyway if you did not feed them last time full strength I would feed them again full power I would go with 4 Mil grow 4 Mil micro 4mil bloom, if you are in flower now add a flower booster to that also
drench real good and leave them alone for a few days they will be fine feel each pot after drenching take notice of the weight don't water/feed again until pots are lighter "a lot lighter"Happy Farming ,Cajun
Thanks for the reply. Tomorrow marks the start of week 3 of flower. Tuesday was their last feeding which consisted of 1/2 strength nutes. Tonight I'll try full strength I guess. My bloom booster (kool bloom powder) is 2-45-28. It's supposed to be used for the last two weeks only. Going to read up to see if it's ok to feed them the KB this early.
 

wildcajun

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I use MOAB for my bloom booster and it says use first 2 weeks of flower and last 2 weeks of flower real powerful stuff ,Are you saying you have never feed the girls full strength nutes before???? Cajun
 

Dubbz0r

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I use MOAB for my bloom booster and it says use first 2 weeks of flower and last 2 weeks of flower real powerful stuff ,Are you saying you have never feed the girls full strength nutes before???? Cajun
Nope never full strength. The first two times they got nutes it was just under 1/4 and that was during veg. Tuesday was the most they've ever had and that was only 1/2 strength.

Seeing as tonight is still their '2nd week' I think I'll give them a tiny does of the KB and see how they like it.
 

wildcajun

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:leaf:Well on week 3 i would not give them any MOAB they would already have been fed probably twice with full strength ,what ever the app is not sure think it is 1/4 teaspoon per gal. not sure .My girls get full strength micro,bloom , grow ,Humbolt roots and 1 cap of hydrogen peroxide in every gallon of water /food ,for bugs i use FFOF also so they did not get fed in the girls 21 days of there life then the nutes came in maybe 3 times before flower ,when flower started went with the Micro,bloom,grow and roots and then MOAB for the first two weeks ,maybe 2 feedings , 3 rd week drop the roots , but start using a product called awesome Blossom 2-11-11 ,Humboldt Honey , last 2 weeks drop the Awesome blossom start Moab and molasses some where in there i flushed once in Veg and once at the end of flower with Flora Flush,Cajun:fire:
 

bekindbud

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Dubz, just curious if you got to be out of your place by the 15th of August will your grow be finished by then? If not, what are you going to do, chop them early or transport them somewhere else?

Peace

BKB
 
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