Gerneral consensus on harvesting...wrong?

Nope_49595933949 said:

Let your plants go longer and you'll see them really start to plump up towards the end. Most hairs will be retracted and you may have a few white hairs still showing.

Someone here has a really good writeup on ripeness that was extremely helpful. Unfortunately I don't remember who the member is.

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ask and you shall receive .


The signs of ripeness are pretty standard for cannabis plants.

First a few of the pistils begin turning color and start receding. Your plant is just starting to ripen. Depending on the strain you could still have two months to go. We're just starting this journey.

Two to four weeks later you'll notice that most of the pistils(>80%) have now changed color and curled back into the bud. It's frosty, way bigger than it was a few weeks ago(aren't you glad you waited), and smells dank! It's time, right? Not a chance killer. Patience is a virtue.

Over the next 2-3 weeks it doesn't look much different, maybe a little more swelling in the calyxes, and the rest of the pistils change over, but the stems are starting to bend under the weight of the buds. These ladies are putting on weight internally by adding density and now the buds are doing their final ripening.

Now you begin looking at trichomes, on the calyx, not the leaves, and harvest according to your preference. When looking at trichomes it’s essential to look at them from the side. The bulbous heads can magnify the opaque stalk under it. Looking from the side allows you to more accurately see the condition of the resin in the trichome head.

There is still no rush to harvest, the window just opened, and you have several weeks before you MIGHT start having to think about it possibly beginning to get too ripe. It takes WEEKS for plants to mature not days.

It is very easy to harvest a plant to early. It is very hard to harvest a plant to late. I’ve never seen someone accidentally wait too long.

Thundercat said:

ask and you shall receive .


The signs of ripeness are pretty standard for cannabis plants.

First a few of the pistils begin turning color and start receding. Your plant is just starting to ripen. Depending on the strain you could still have two months to go. We're just starting this journey.

Two to four weeks later you'll notice that most of the pistils(>80%) have now changed color and curled back into the bud. It's frosty, way bigger than it was a few weeks ago(aren't you glad you waited), and smells dank! It's time, right? Not a chance killer. Patience is a virtue.

Over the next 2-3 weeks it doesn't look much different, maybe a little more swelling in the calyxes, and the rest of the pistils change over, but the stems are starting to bend under the weight of the buds. These ladies are putting on weight internally by adding density and now the buds are doing their final ripening.

Now you begin looking at trichomes, on the calyx, not the leaves, and harvest according to your preference. When looking at trichomes it’s essential to look at them from the side. The bulbous heads can magnify the opaque stalk under it. Looking from the side allows you to more accurately see the condition of the resin in the trichome head.

There is still no rush to harvest, the window just opened, and you have several weeks before you MIGHT start having to think about it possibly beginning to get too ripe. It takes WEEKS for plants to mature not days.

It is very easy to harvest a plant to early. It is very hard to harvest a plant to late. I’ve never seen someone accidentally wait too long.

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This is awesome, thank you!

dankydank1973 said:

However. I harvested a few branches to test.. upon harvest I had a couple amber and the rest clear. After a 7 day dry in the cannatrol, they are SOLID milky, with a couple Amber's. This means one thing. If properly dried, the trichromes Continue to evolve after harvest. Leading me to believe the general population is harvesting way too late.

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I think you're making an assumption that the trichs continue to develop, it could just as well be that as they dry they get cloudy, without any "evolution" or increase in thc%. It doesn't seem that the amount of amber changes, so why aren't the cloudy trichs "evolving" into amber trichs? It is proven that cloudy trichs have more THC than clear trichs. The only way to really test the theory is to test the buds for thc content before they dry and after they dry and see if there's a statistically valid difference.

Nicest thing you can do for your friends and family is to introduce them to truly ripe cannabis flowers. Ripeness is why our buds are so much better than dispensary buds, it's a big part of the reason we bother to grow at home at all. It's better medicine all around.

Instead of anecdotal evidence that doesn't exist. Why not cut some clones and prove your point with a controlled grow?

You legitimately came in with an argument with zero substance.

Herb & Suds said:

Lots of practice like anything

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understood.

Wizzlebiz said:

Instead of anecdotal evidence that doesn't exist. Why not cut some clones and prove your point with a controlled grow?

You legitimately came in with an argument with zero substance.

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I disagree. If they're clear at chop. N milky a week later. That's your substance. They continue gaining color. Now as another member in this post pointed out, a true test would be measuring thc at chop and after dry. That I can see. What would clones tell me that I haven't seen with this harvest?

BTW. For anyone interested. I am selectively harvesting. I'll pull another portion down next week and check em. And one more portion in 2 weeks time.

dankydank1973 said:

understood.


I disagree. If they're clear at chop. N milky a week later. That's your substance. They continue gaining color. Now as another member in this post pointed out, a true test would be measuring thc at chop and after dry. That I can see. What would clones tell me that I haven't seen with this harvest?

BTW. For anyone interested. I am selectively harvesting. I'll pull another portion down next week and check em. And one more portion in 2 weeks time.

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You haven't explained why only the clear trichs "evolve", but the cloudy trichs don't "evolve" into amber.

Rurumo said:

Ripeness is why our buds are so much better than dispensary buds

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Dispensary weed sucks because it's sprayed with shit every week and fed a horrible diet that fucks up secondary metabolism start to finish. Fact is most strains don't need longer than 8 weeks when grown properly. Meaning no calnit buds.. Another fact is most home grown weed is not great weed. It WAS, 30 years ago. Not today. Gee, wonder what technological advancements have changed the way cannabis is grown the past 30 years.. Fuckin Al Gore..


"Amber" trichs are no different than "amber" leaves. Crusty emaciated PKMgSB deficient light-fried crap. Taco leafed burnt margin crud. If you can snap a sugar leaf in half at harvest, you grow crap. Don't be mad at me I don't sell shitty fertilizer to everyone and spread nonsense to dodge the fact that pot experts running pot fertilizer companies are not knowledgeable or honest about the most important aspect of growing: Nutrition. Watch a hundred random potcasts on how to increase quality. Refrigerators, humidifiers, magnifying glasses, new seeds, cannabis prayer mats. Not one mention of potassium lol.

Ponder: Why does leaf get amber trichs before calyx? Same reason "fade" is a thing perhaps? Nutrients leaving the leaves because you're under feeding finish nutes. No one's "fade" seems to include -nitrogen anymore lol. Do you think fuckin up nutrients to fry a plant and turn its trichs brown is somehow speeding up harvest? Then rush it to darkness to keep the brown trichs from turning... ...brown? And refrigerate it to sustain the emaciated mess? Grow forum logic literally makes no sense.

Curing is a myth around these parts because all the weed is pre-fried and kept wet to compensate for the fact that metabolism isn't continuing after harvest. Everyone seems to admit their leaves are dark as fuck but does nothing to address the major nutrient imbalance. Nuts.

If you refrigerate your weed before the 1 year mark, you have no valid input on growing. Most pot growers are delusional sheep. Sorry. Most would get swastika tattoos if their favorite celebrity youtube grower announced he was a nazi. I've given up on my kids generation. Maybe the internet will go down (please Russia) and my grandkids will be able to have logical conversations with plant growers (actual oldest profession on earth, not prostitution you pervs).

I'm sure I've already told the story of buying someone's "premature" weed, doing a basic post harvest treatment, involving heat light and nutrition, not moisty packs and refrigerators. Selling it back to the growers for twice the price, so I won't go into details.

I harvest clear sugary smelling trichs. Curing turns them milky and acidic, and strain specific, no reggie terps or botanical vape pen terps allowed. I grow weed for people who like weed. I never see amber and never want to. Yall internet folk should smoke out a blind man some day. Or simply anyone who isn't preconditioned by the legal era Cannabis dogma priests.


Let's back up and ask that one basic question again.. Why do pot growers who believe in amber trichs and don't understand flushing, rush their plants to darkness immediately after chop? Are they afraid the light is going to burst their photosynthesis factories into flames? No. It's because their shit is emaciated and they subconsciously know it's already been fried by light due to poor nutrition. Magnesium Boron Potassium deficiency is the sole reason for light burn. Everyone seems to use calnit until harvest and lock those out. The "flush everything or nothing" crowds have no understanding. They all over value their own weed,keep it wet pretend it's dank. Honestly kinda funny how everyone thinks their own weed is the best when most home grown is not different from the dispo shit. Just a little wetter usually lol. And maybe half the pesticides?

GrodanLightfoot said:

Dispensary weed sucks because it's sprayed with shit every week and fed a horrible diet that fucks up secondary metabolism start to finish. Fact is most strains don't need longer than 8 weeks when grown properly. Meaning no calnit buds.. Another fact is most home grown weed is not great weed. It WAS, 30 years ago. Not today. Gee, wonder what technological advancements have changed the way cannabis is grown the past 30 years.. Fuckin Al Gore..


"Amber" trichs are no different than "amber" leaves. Crusty emaciated PKMgSB deficient light-fried crap. Taco leafed burnt margin crud. If you can snap a sugar leaf in half at harvest, you grow crap. Don't be mad at me I don't sell shitty fertilizer to everyone and spread nonsense to dodge the fact that pot experts running pot fertilizer companies are not knowledgeable or honest about the most important aspect of growing: Nutrition. Watch a hundred random potcasts on how to increase quality. Refrigerators, humidifiers, magnifying glasses, new seeds, cannabis prayer mats. Not one mention of potassium lol.

Ponder: Why does leaf get amber trichs before calyx? Same reason "fade" is a thing perhaps? Nutrients leaving the leaves because you're under feeding finish nutes. No one's "fade" seems to include -nitrogen anymore lol. Do you think fuckin up nutrients to fry a plant and turn its trichs brown is somehow speeding up harvest? Then rush it to darkness to keep the brown trichs from turning... ...brown? And refrigerate it to sustain the emaciated mess? Grow forum logic literally makes no sense.

Curing is a myth around these parts because all the weed is pre-fried and kept wet to compensate for the fact that metabolism isn't continuing after harvest. Everyone seems to admit their leaves are dark as fuck but does nothing to address the major nutrient imbalance. Nuts.

If you refrigerate your weed before the 1 year mark, you have no valid input on growing. Most pot growers are delusional sheep. Sorry. Most would get swastika tattoos if their favorite celebrity youtube grower announced he was a nazi. I've given up on my kids generation. Maybe the internet will go down (please Russia) and my grandkids will be able to have logical conversations with plant growers (actual oldest profession on earth, not prostitution you pervs).

I'm sure I've already told the story of buying someone's "premature" weed, doing a basic post harvest treatment, involving heat light and nutrition, not moisty packs and refrigerators. Selling it back to the growers for twice the price, so I won't go into details.

I harvest clear sugary smelling trichs. Curing turns them milky and acidic, and strain specific, no reggie terps or botanical vape pen terps allowed. I grow weed for people who like weed. I never see amber and never want to. Yall internet folk should smoke out a blind man some day. Or simply anyone who isn't preconditioned by the legal era Cannabis dogma priests.


Let's back up and ask that one basic question again.. Why do pot growers who believe in amber trichs and don't understand flushing, rush their plants to darkness immediately after chop? Are they afraid the light is going to burst their photosynthesis factories into flames? No. It's because their shit is emaciated and they subconsciously know it's already been fried by light due to poor nutrition. Magnesium Boron Potassium deficiency is the sole reason for light burn. Everyone seems to use calnit until harvest and lock those out. The "flush everything or nothing" crowds have no understanding. They all over value their own weed,keep it wet pretend it's dank. Honestly kinda funny how everyone thinks their own weed is the best when most home grown is not different from the dispo shit. Just a little wetter usually lol. And maybe half the pesticides?

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Your trying to say pot is worse now then it was thirty years ago? Give your head a shake dude. And no, most strains are not done in eight weeks. I’m not going to read more then your first paragraph lol

Brettman said:

Your trying to say pot is worse now then it was thirty years ago? Give your head a shake dude. And no, most strains are not done in eight weeks. I’m not going to read more then your first paragraph lol

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Keep reading. You're missing the good stuff like harvesting "sugary smelling trichs."

Brettman said:

Your trying to say pot is worse now then it was thirty years ago? Give your head a shake dude. And no, most strains are not done in eight weeks. I’m not going to read more then your first paragraph lol

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That's fucking hysterical. I also stopped reading at plants are done at 8 weeks

Wizzlebiz said:

That's fucking hysterical. I also stopped reading at plants are done at 8 week.

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Let’s not leave out “ you internet growers”

GrodanLightfoot said:

Dispensary weed sucks because it's sprayed with shit every week and fed a horrible diet that fucks up secondary metabolism start to finish. Fact is most strains don't need longer than 8 weeks when grown properly. Meaning no calnit buds.. Another fact is most home grown weed is not great weed. It WAS, 30 years ago. Not today. Gee, wonder what technological advancements have changed the way cannabis is grown the past 30 years.. Fuckin Al Gore..


"Amber" trichs are no different than "amber" leaves. Crusty emaciated PKMgSB deficient light-fried crap. Taco leafed burnt margin crud. If you can snap a sugar leaf in half at harvest, you grow crap. Don't be mad at me I don't sell shitty fertilizer to everyone and spread nonsense to dodge the fact that pot experts running pot fertilizer companies are not knowledgeable or honest about the most important aspect of growing: Nutrition. Watch a hundred random potcasts on how to increase quality. Refrigerators, humidifiers, magnifying glasses, new seeds, cannabis prayer mats. Not one mention of potassium lol.

Ponder: Why does leaf get amber trichs before calyx? Same reason "fade" is a thing perhaps? Nutrients leaving the leaves because you're under feeding finish nutes. No one's "fade" seems to include -nitrogen anymore lol. Do you think fuckin up nutrients to fry a plant and turn its trichs brown is somehow speeding up harvest? Then rush it to darkness to keep the brown trichs from turning... ...brown? And refrigerate it to sustain the emaciated mess? Grow forum logic literally makes no sense.

Curing is a myth around these parts because all the weed is pre-fried and kept wet to compensate for the fact that metabolism isn't continuing after harvest. Everyone seems to admit their leaves are dark as fuck but does nothing to address the major nutrient imbalance. Nuts.

If you refrigerate your weed before the 1 year mark, you have no valid input on growing. Most pot growers are delusional sheep. Sorry. Most would get swastika tattoos if their favorite celebrity youtube grower announced he was a nazi. I've given up on my kids generation. Maybe the internet will go down (please Russia) and my grandkids will be able to have logical conversations with plant growers (actual oldest profession on earth, not prostitution you pervs).

I'm sure I've already told the story of buying someone's "premature" weed, doing a basic post harvest treatment, involving heat light and nutrition, not moisty packs and refrigerators. Selling it back to the growers for twice the price, so I won't go into details.

I harvest clear sugary smelling trichs. Curing turns them milky and acidic, and strain specific, no reggie terps or botanical vape pen terps allowed. I grow weed for people who like weed. I never see amber and never want to. Yall internet folk should smoke out a blind man some day. Or simply anyone who isn't preconditioned by the legal era Cannabis dogma priests.


Let's back up and ask that one basic question again.. Why do pot growers who believe in amber trichs and don't understand flushing, rush their plants to darkness immediately after chop? Are they afraid the light is going to burst their photosynthesis factories into flames? No. It's because their shit is emaciated and they subconsciously know it's already been fried by light due to poor nutrition. Magnesium Boron Potassium deficiency is the sole reason for light burn. Everyone seems to use calnit until harvest and lock those out. The "flush everything or nothing" crowds have no understanding. They all over value their own weed,keep it wet pretend it's dank. Honestly kinda funny how everyone thinks their own weed is the best when most home grown is not different from the dispo shit. Just a little wetter usually lol. And maybe half the pesticides?

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I disagree about some things (others we are in brutal agreement), amber trichs and amber leaves are not the same, nor are the causes. Amber trichs occur when THC starts to degrade to CDB. Amber leaves are, for the most part, from a deficiency of some sort or a light burn issue. The degradation of trichs is more age based than anything else. For those that flush before harvest to "remove excess nutrients from the plant", it don't work! Flushing for any other reason than a lockout (to remove excess salts built up in the soil from synthetic fertilizers) is a fallacy, studies of the composition of flushed and unflushed plant have been done using a mass spectrometer and the only thing that is slightly reduced by flushing is iron. Taste tests have also been done, with most persons favoring unflushed plants. As far as darkness after harvest, it does two things, since trichs are no longer being supplied with nutrients they will quickly degrade in sunlight, plus terpenes off gas at a much higher rate in sunlight. As far as nutrients go, we (growers) consistently either under or overfertilize, the plethora or nutrient companies selling pipe dreams about harvest amounts seem to suck in a lot people. I see many people talking about putting 5, 6, 7, different fertilizers on the plants, particularly in flower, and then they wonder why they have burn or lockout issues.

I'd rather people just see for themselves during their next grow. All you have to do is harvest most of your crop when you usually would, and then leave some of the buds to continue ripening. Then dry/cure/compare. This isn't an intellectual exercise-the majority of good growers know that ripe weed is better from decades of trial and error and side by side comparisons. Well dried/cured RIPE bud is in a class by itself as far as terps go, not to mention the final weight push the plant goes through in it's final weeks.

GrodanLightfoot said:

Dispensary weed sucks because it's sprayed with shit every week and fed a horrible diet that fucks up secondary metabolism start to finish. Fact is most strains don't need longer than 8 weeks when grown properly. Meaning no calnit buds.. Another fact is most home grown weed is not great weed. It WAS, 30 years ago. Not today. Gee, wonder what technological advancements have changed the way cannabis is grown the past 30 years.. Fuckin Al Gore..


"Amber" trichs are no different than "amber" leaves. Crusty emaciated PKMgSB deficient light-fried crap. Taco leafed burnt margin crud. If you can snap a sugar leaf in half at harvest, you grow crap. Don't be mad at me I don't sell shitty fertilizer to everyone and spread nonsense to dodge the fact that pot experts running pot fertilizer companies are not knowledgeable or honest about the most important aspect of growing: Nutrition. Watch a hundred random potcasts on how to increase quality. Refrigerators, humidifiers, magnifying glasses, new seeds, cannabis prayer mats. Not one mention of potassium lol.

Ponder: Why does leaf get amber trichs before calyx? Same reason "fade" is a thing perhaps? Nutrients leaving the leaves because you're under feeding finish nutes. No one's "fade" seems to include -nitrogen anymore lol. Do you think fuckin up nutrients to fry a plant and turn its trichs brown is somehow speeding up harvest? Then rush it to darkness to keep the brown trichs from turning... ...brown? And refrigerate it to sustain the emaciated mess? Grow forum logic literally makes no sense.

Curing is a myth around these parts because all the weed is pre-fried and kept wet to compensate for the fact that metabolism isn't continuing after harvest. Everyone seems to admit their leaves are dark as fuck but does nothing to address the major nutrient imbalance. Nuts.

If you refrigerate your weed before the 1 year mark, you have no valid input on growing. Most pot growers are delusional sheep. Sorry. Most would get swastika tattoos if their favorite celebrity youtube grower announced he was a nazi. I've given up on my kids generation. Maybe the internet will go down (please Russia) and my grandkids will be able to have logical conversations with plant growers (actual oldest profession on earth, not prostitution you pervs).

I'm sure I've already told the story of buying someone's "premature" weed, doing a basic post harvest treatment, involving heat light and nutrition, not moisty packs and refrigerators. Selling it back to the growers for twice the price, so I won't go into details.

I harvest clear sugary smelling trichs. Curing turns them milky and acidic, and strain specific, no reggie terps or botanical vape pen terps allowed. I grow weed for people who like weed. I never see amber and never want to. Yall internet folk should smoke out a blind man some day. Or simply anyone who isn't preconditioned by the legal era Cannabis dogma priests.


Let's back up and ask that one basic question again.. Why do pot growers who believe in amber trichs and don't understand flushing, rush their plants to darkness immediately after chop? Are they afraid the light is going to burst their photosynthesis factories into flames? No. It's because their shit is emaciated and they subconsciously know it's already been fried by light due to poor nutrition. Magnesium Boron Potassium deficiency is the sole reason for light burn. Everyone seems to use calnit until harvest and lock those out. The "flush everything or nothing" crowds have no understanding. They all over value their own weed,keep it wet pretend it's dank. Honestly kinda funny how everyone thinks their own weed is the best when most home grown is not different from the dispo shit. Just a little wetter usually lol. And maybe half the pesticides?

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Does electricity from a coal fired power plant produce a better flower? There's got to be a conspiracy theory here.

Wizzlebiz said:

That's fucking hysterical. I also stopped reading at plants are done at 8 week.

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You read a lot more than me. I didn't even make it through the first word.

PadawanWarrior said:

You read a lot more than me. I didn't even make it through the first word.

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Come on it was cringeworthy

Herb & Suds said:

Come on it was cringeworthy

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Cringeworthy is Padawans middle name.

Padawan cringeworthy warrior doesn't roll off the tongue as well as padawan warrior.

Herb & Suds said:

Let’s not leave out “ you internet growers”

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Noob question here. How do I grow an Internet and when is it ready?