gun law reform... please!

M B P said:

society is crap... so we should all own guns and bring them to church, the movie theaters, malls, bookstores... ?

What if I don't want to live in the wild west?

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stay in the east?

canndo said:

Actually, the punishments for posession of firearms while in the posession of "narcotics" are far more severe than either alone. Technicaly, the posession of a firearm in the comission of any crime - including intent to distribute, distribution, intent to manufacture or manufacture will bring you a longer manditory sentence and this is even if you have never before been convicted of any crime. Ownership of firearms while having a medical card is still an ongoing debate.

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What does this have to do with what you quoted?

NoDrama said:

Jesus H christ on a Popsicle stick. A few fat asses with poor self control eat too much fast food and you think the government should take over those people's lives? Really?

Holy fucking shit

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A few? I believe we are talking about close to 1 in 4 are obese and many of those morbidly so. The problem has gotten so bad that the pentagon is fearful for our national security if things progress. I don't blame the eaters any more, I blame the supliers of these new "drugs" - salt, fat and sugar

cannabineer said:

That Batman showing was as mainstream as it gets. cn

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This one remains to be seen canna - we don't know what motivated the shooter yet. I doubt it was a random movie that this guy visited.

NoDrama said:

What does this have to do with what you quoted?

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Doc said that a pot smoker in posession of a weapon was no more illegal than either thing separately.

Any one like the idea that it requires no psychological evaluation or experience to become a cop? imo most cops have some degree of psychological deficiency, yet we give them a gun and authority without even checking until they shoot someone.

who knows, maybe better cops is the answer to preventing violent crimes, we can't really blame gun control laws with out exploring the other possibilities.

canndo said:

A few? I believe we are talking about close to 1 in 4 are obese and many of those morbidly so. The problem has gotten so bad that the pentagon is fearful for our national security if things progress. I don't blame the eaters any more, I blame the supliers of these new "drugs" - salt, fat and sugar

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Have all been around in abundance( salt, fat and sugar) for many years.
Obesity started to rise with the induction of HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP in everything.

Mindmelted said:

Have all been around in abundance( salt, fat and sugar) for many years.
Obesity started to rise with the induction of HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP in everything.

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That is a part of the whole. The whole being very powerful corporations using advanced marketing, knowlege of food triggers and advertising that has us as a nation eat far more of those things that make us fat then we ordinarily would.

Banning HFC is only a portion of the solution.

canndo said:

Doc said that a pot smoker in posession of a weapon was no more illegal than either thing separately.

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If you get caught illegally possessing a drug and back at home you have 100 guns. Guess what happens. Nothing.

For you to get in trouble for possessing a gun, the gun itself has to be present at the scene of the crime. Lets say bob down the block owns a bunch of guns, assault rifles, grenades, RPG's , riot shotguns and 10 handguns. On the other side of town Bob also illegally grows marijuana. Bob's grow gets busted and Bob wasn't carrying a gun when he was busted either. Guess how much extra trouble Bob is in? If you guessed NONE, you are correct.

NoDrama said:

Umm no, it doesn't work like that. The STORE that you bought your firearm from keeps the record of the sale for 3 years, then burns/shreds them. The government is NEVER in the loop.

Registration of firearms would be in opposition to the 2nd amendment.

Even if they come, tell em you sold them all at the gun show. You don't need to keep a record of who you sold to at a gun show.

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Partially true. I was a licensed gun dealer, a home business before I started having kids and got out of it because I had too many guns and kids in the house. During that time I had a few routine ATF compliance checks. Part of the check was they took copies of my sales and purchase records that I was required by law to keep. So the government got their copies and the checks always seemed to be before the time I could destroy the records. When I turned in my dealers license, I was required to send in ALL original sales paperwork within a very short period of time.
There are very few instances that a legal firearms dealer would need to contact the ATF, multiple fire arms purchased within a 30 day period was one of them, but during their routine compliance checks, they were getting all the information the wanted. If you don't comply with their demands, you loose your license and failure to comply is a criminal act.

canndo said:

A few? I believe we are talking about close to 1 in 4 are obese and many of those morbidly so. The problem has gotten so bad that the pentagon is fearful for our national security if things progress. I don't blame the eaters any more, I blame the supliers of these new "drugs" - salt, fat and sugar

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people have a responsibility to look after their own personal well being.

FootballFirst said:

people have a responsibility to look after their own personal well being.

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and if they don't?

canndo said:

and if they don't?

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they suffer the consequences of their decisions.

R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-L-I-T-Y

FootballFirst said:

they suffer the consequences of their decisions.

R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-L-I-T-Y

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That's nice, now can you explain why 30 years ago the obesity figures were wildely lower? Did everyone just have some sort of group failure to "look after their own personal well being"? Or is there a new dynamic at work here now where perhaps those people are no longer able to do what you and others fantisize they "should"

canndo said:

That's nice, now can you explain why 30 years ago the obesity figures were wildely lower? Did everyone just have some sort of group failure to "look after their own personal well being"? Or is there a new dynamic at work here now where perhaps those people are no longer able to do what you and others fantisize they "should"

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Canndo, I recommend the book Good Calories Bad Calories (Gary Taubes) to you. It opened my eyes about some common dietary myths being propagated by folks who should know better. cn

canndo said:

That's nice, now can you explain why 30 years ago the obesity figures were wildely lower? Did everyone just have some sort of group failure to "look after their own personal well being"? Or is there a new dynamic at work here now where perhaps those people are no longer able to do what you and others fantisize they "should"

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it doesn't matter. people have choices. if i think they choose poorly, who am i to tell them what to do? that would be implying that i was all knowing and that my own judgements and perceptions are better than theirs. projecting your beliefs and ideals on to someone else is a holyier than thou position and it is untenable. who is to say who is right or what a particular person's motivation should or shouldn't be?

cannabineer said:

Canndo, I recommend the book Good Calories Bad Calories (Gary Taubes) to you. It opened my eyes about some common dietary myths being propagated by folks who should know better. cn

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Sorry Canna - I figure calories is calories - burn more than you take in, you get fat, burn less, you get skinny. I don't know how long that book has been out but calories were still calories 40 years ago. Something is going on. Some say it is the advent of the new electronic sedentary American. But a recent study illuminates that excercise or lack thereof has little to do with being fat or skinny - it is the intake of calories that makes the difference.

That being the case, if we are fater as a people now:

1. We have lost our willpower
2. We no longer care about ourselves
3. We are being induced to eat more


Those are about all the explainations there are.

I would be willing to read anyone's thesis that we as a people have somehow given up our self limits voluntarily, limits that have been inherent in us as humans for 50,000 years.

canndo said:

Sorry Canna - I figure calories is calories - burn more than you take in, you get fat, burn less, you get skinny. I don't know how long that book has been out but calories were still calories 40 years ago. Something is going on. Some say it is the advent of the new electronic sedentary American. But a recent study illuminates that excercise or lack thereof has little to do with being fat or skinny - it is the intake of calories that makes the difference.

That being the case, if we are fater as a people now:

1. We have lost our willpower
2. We no longer care about ourselves
3. We are being induced to eat more


Those are about all the explanations there are.

I would be willing to read anyone's thesis that we as a people have somehow given up our self limits voluntarily, limits that have been inherent in us as humans for 50,000 years.

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The book specifically addresses the calorie-count fallacy. What sets it apart from the usual sensationalist tripe with a title like that is that it is a meta-analysis of the medical literature. cn

FootballFirst said:

it doesn't matter. people have choices. if i think they choose poorly, who am i to tell them what to do? that would be implying that i was all knowing and that my own judgements and perceptions are better than theirs. projecting your beliefs and ideals on to someone else is a holyier than thou position and it is untenable. who is to say who is right or what a particular person's motivation should or shouldn't be?

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this notion that all opinions are equal has no basis in fact. It is intirely possible that your judgements are better than theirs. It is possible that I am more equiped to tell someone who to eat than they are themselves. I don't care what one's motivations are and i don't care what an individual's responsibilites toward himself are.

Americans are still under the very mistaken impression that individuals are not a part of the whole. It does matter. my contention is that people don't have "choices" as they once did. You pretend that big business has no effect upon the attitude and behavior of the American Public. Big business wants you to believe this even as they spend billions subverting your "choice".

canndo said:

this notion that all opinions are equal has no basis in fact. It is intirely possible that your judgements are better than theirs. It is possible that I am more equiped to tell someone who to eat than they are themselves. I don't care what one's motivations are and i don't care what an individual's responsibilites toward himself are.

Americans are still under the very mistaken impression that individuals are not a part of the whole. It does matter. my contention is that people don't have "choices" as they once did. You pretend that big business has no effect upon the attitude and behavior of the American Public. Big business wants you to believe this even as they spend billions subverting your "choice".

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boo, communism.