I need to rant about THIS section

It has come to attention that people in this section especially, haven't got the slightest clue as to what they're talking about. IF you are going to help. PLEASE don't go around spewing inaccurate information. It's a like a plague of stupidity around here. People don't realize the difference between hermie and male. Wrong deficiencies are being said. The other day someone was going on about how you need an airstone in your DWC system and if you don't your plants will die. Honestly WTF? People STILL saying amber trichomes give you a couch lock high. Good lord stop saying that it is DEAD WRONG. Do people like to make themselves look like babbling buffoons or do the ones that haven't got a clue desperately want to look smart? I don't get it.

Basically what I'm saying is, if you don't know what you're typing about. Don't type.

Well it is newbie central after all. Mostly newbs with not much experience helping other newbs. Even with experience it's hard to pinpoint a problem by looking at a few pics, I recommend posting in Marijuana Plant Problems if you want more experienced answers.

True, but my interpretation of the newbie section is a bunch of beginners asking questions that experienced growers should answer. Not another new grower who doesn't know what he's talking about.

since when are amber trics not a couch lock type of stoned the buds i have right now are full of them and its a great lazy stone

oooossaaahhhh. i hope you feel better mr2shim

Chiefems said:

since when are amber trics not a couch lock type of stoned the buds i have right now are full of them and its a great lazy stone

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So you're basically saying a high isn't strain dependent. It's dependent on how long you chose to flower a plant? So you admit to strains being a big scam?

The third state is amber. Amber trichomes contain degraded THC --> CBN. CBN represents a loss of 90% potency (from THC).
CBN is not desirable in any harvest, since it not only represents a huge loss of potency but research into the substance has also shown that CBN does not produce a high like THC does, CBN produces a more sickly feeling not a true high.

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https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

i didnt imply that but in a way yeah i guess since you could let it flower longer and have the more amber trics which have a couch lock or lazy stone or if you toke it down earlier and it had milky trics with a sort of uplifting stone i suppose. which wouldnt be strain dependant

there are of course different stones for each strain dont get me wrong and im not trying to argue with you just curious on what you had to say about the amber trics

One of the main challenges I have had overall, whether in newbie or other areas, is that there seems to be conflicting opinion on virtually everything. So newbies like me need to put on our smart cap, look for what the more common consensus is, ponder our set up vs the answerer, etc and give it a shot. I imagine that someday, once there has been a legal weed market for longer, there will be more research done with proper methodologies.

Something I always consider when reading responses is to see whether the conclusion makes sense. In other words, you may have used molasses and had great results, but what is the evidence that it was the molasses and not something else. If you think of a weighted average, how much was that molasses responsible. (I am not dissing molasses, I'm using it myself but it makes a good example).

It is hard though to figure out when someone doesn't know shit. Whenever I offer advice based on my extremely limited expereince, I clarify that I'm a newbie so they can do with it as they please. OFten times experts do come to the rescue and you quickly see twelve people telling one they are wrong. But there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason for what gets read and commented on. I'm so proud of how my plants are doing but would love expert opinion and yet when I posted pics, can't seem to get much response.

I think what is poking Mr2shim in the side is a thread in particular where a newb was asking for help, then went off on a tangent, and tried to argue something, showing what a newb he really was.

mr2shim said:

It has come to attention that people this section especially, haven't got the slightest clue as to what they're talking about. IF you are going to help. PLEASE don't go around spewing inaccurate information. It's a like a plague of stupidity around here. People don't realize the difference between hermie and male. Wrong deficiencies are being said. The other day someone was going on about how you need an airstone in your DWC system and if you don't your plants will die. Honestly WTF? People STILL saying amber trichomes give you a couch lock high. Good lord stop saying that it is DEAD WRONG. Do people like to make themselves look like babbling buffoons or do the ones that haven't got a clue desperately want to look smart? I don't get it.

Basically what I'm saying is, if you don't know what you're typing about. Don't type.

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I agree with this 100%!!!! There have been many times (my 2nd grow now) where I started to or even completed a reply to a thread and in the end just refreshed the page or left the page with out posting because I AM A NEWBIE and do not want to give advice unless it is 100% true either through experience or through knowledge gained from 'experienced' growers... I rarely follow advice from some one here who has a join date of the current month or even a couple of months since thread post.

Chiefems said:

i didnt imply that but in a way yeah i guess since you could let it flower longer and have the more amber trics which have a couch lock or lazy stone or if you toke it down earlier and it had milky trics with a sort of uplifting stone i suppose. which wouldnt be strain dependant

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Did you read the link I posted? I'll say it one more time. Amber trichomes do NOT give you any sort of high.

The third state is amber. Amber trichomes contain degraded THC --> CBN. CBN represents a loss of 90% potency (from THC).
CBN is not desirable in any harvest, since it not only represents a huge loss of potency but research into the substance has also shown that CBN does not produce a high like THC does, CBN produces a more sickly feeling not a true high.

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I really can't post this enough. Explain to me how amber gives you a couch lock high when CBN has been scientifically proven to not give you a high but a sick feeling.

Think of it like a banana. You have green, yellow, and brown. Green bananas are not ripe(aka not ready to be eaten) yellow bananas are ripe(they are perfect for consumption) Brown bananas(aka overripe, they are past their peak ripness. They don't taste good.)

See where I'm going with this?

A high is strain dependent. The End.

Sativa= uppy high

Indica = lazy couch lock high

The only thing you do when you flower past ripeness is decrease the effectiveness(potency)/longevity of that high.

yeah i did read it but at no point am i saying your wrong. if you have a plant and harvest some early and the other half later there would be different highs from the same bud ive seen it smoked it im no scientist but thats enough proof for me. also what your saying is amber trics mean an over-rippened fruit still nothing wrong and in some cases very good for said fruit not specifaclly cannabis but you get the idea

Chiefems said:

yeah i did read it but at no point am i saying your wrong. if you have a plant and harvest some early and the other half later there would be different highs from the same bud ive seen it smoked it im no scientist but thats enough proof for me. also what your saying is amber trics mean an over-rippened fruit still nothing wrong and in some cases very good for said fruit not specifaclly cannabis but you get the idea

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The high is the same, the potency of that high is reduced or increased accordingly.

I agree with you completely mr2shim. I've got about 8 grows down but I know I'm still a newbie. I was very misinformed by a lot of people along the way and it was only through experience that I've gotten better. I did my time reading and growing before I started posting any advice. You have your prime evidence here with other posters STILL giving misinformation in this thread!!

mr2shim said:

The high is the same, the potency of that high is reduced or increased accordingly.

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Thats not what experienced people have been saying. . . . since always.

and article by Subcool
http://www.theweedblog.com/how-can-you-tell-when-its-time-to-harvest/

The harvest window is one aspect of the craft which unfortunately, gets over looked or the grower simply doesn’t have the patience to wait-out the last few days, to insure max THC content. Some strains are better harvested before their peak THC production and some are better harvested after their peak THC production. This is what Robert Clark wrote in his book “Marijuana Botany” about trichomes and what they tell us; ​

“The elevated resin heads appear clear, since fresh resin is still being secreted, often being produced in the cellular head of the trichome. At this time THC acid production is at a peak and CBD acid levels remain stable as the molecules are rapidly converted to THC acids, THC acid synthesis has not been active long enough for a high level of CBN acid to build up from the degradation of THC acid by light and heat. Terpene production is also nearing a peak and the floral clusters are beautifully aromatic.
Many cultivators prefer to pick some of their strains during this stage in order to produce marijuana with a clear, cerebral, psychoactive effect It is believed that, in peak floral clusters, the low levels of CBD and CBN allow the high level of THC to act without their sedative effects.”

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http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-grow-guide/harvesting.html

As the plant matures through its window of harvest its chemistry changes. As the window closes, the more desirable compounds begin breaking down into less desirable ones. Primarily it is THC breaking down in CBNs and CBDs.

Which particular combination of chemicals is the most desirable is purely a matter of taste and choice, developed over time and with experience. Set and setting also play an important role in determining which type of product is best appreciated.

Pleasant head highs are often desirable for social occasions, whereas a narcotic late-window Indica may work better as an evening medicinal herb. The main point is that these differences are chemical in nature and more research is needed to more fully understand this phenomenon.

Another important point is that much can be done to further enhance the chemical process, especially in regard to bouquet, aroma and flavour, given the proper curing process.

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In other words, i think its true to say that the CBD and CBN content will create more of a couch lock, narcotic effect.
and harvesting on the late side increases CBD and CBN.

Are you saying that is not true?

Chiefems said:

since when are amber trics not a couch lock type of stoned the buds i have right now are full of them and its a great lazy stone

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ever since all tricks turn amber , or mature like they call it in the real world, and have varying effects and different looks even based on trichome development and that plants specific genetic make up and chemical cocktail

wtf

amber trichs dont mean any generalization other then that trich is mature,

depending on that plants specific genetics make up due to the environment it was grown in , it can have a vary wide range of potency(good choice of words MR) and cannabinoid composition and ratios,

the same plant from the same mother can produce very different effects in different environments at the same stage of development and may even speed up or slow down the time it takes to get there as well as structure and cannabanoid composition. . . . . .

what we call a clone is not a genetically accurate term, cutting is but the term cultivar or verity or strain, applies to visible and demonstrable attributes expressed . .. . a plant with different expressions with the same genetic generation, can be different and change often, why do you think we have a million OGs and kushs, and desisls or hazes or skunks

Thanks for the info on amber trichs mr2shim, i didn't even know that cbn was a sign of loss of potency.

CBN also converts ...i think

zer0ed said:

Thats not what experienced people have been saying. . . . since always.

and article by Subcool
http://www.theweedblog.com/how-can-you-tell-when-its-time-to-harvest/



http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-grow-guide/harvesting.html





In other words, i think its true to say that the CBD and CBN content will create more of a couch lock, narcotic effect.
and harvesting on the late side increases CBD and CBN.

Are you saying that is not true?

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Talk to k0ijn. He IIRC has a friend or knows someone involved in the scientific studies of THC, CBN and CBD. The articles you posted are rather old and just like once upon a time everyone on earth KNEW the earth was flat, but it isn't. Just as once upon a time in the marijuana community looking at the pistils was a way to tell if the plant was mature. This has such been disproved with the discovery of trichomes and their color.

Or you could just read his sticky.

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

A lot of the information about marijuana, THC, CBN, CBD, ect ect is wrong because there were little to no scientific studies on them. So a lot of it was just made up info my some "guru" and it has been spread like the plague across the marijuana community. To say it's true without any real proof to back it up is foolish to say the least.