Ideas on how to achieve 90%+ voter turnout rate

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
Which is why I have no faith in the political process, which is why I don't vote.
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You believe there is no measurable difference between the democratic and republican party?
abandonconflict said:
This is also the reason why liberals are too lazy to vote. That is of course unless there is some incentive like a lottery.
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I wouldn't argue liberals are "too lazy to vote", I'd argue, in recent times, more often than not the younger generation has tended towards liberalism, that's been consistent since Vietnam. With the introduction of the internet, that sentiment has increased exponentially. They don't tend to vote because a. they're not as familiar with the voting process itself as their older counterparts, b. they tend to believe less in the integrity of the voting system itself than their older counterparts, c. none of the candidates actually represent them or their interests, d. none of them feel like any of it matters (which applies to all age groups at that time)

What's wrong with incentivising voting with a national lottery?
abandonconflict said:
There is no perception that anything will change.
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What makes you think if voter turnout went from 55% to 90%+, it wouldn't change anything?
abandonconflict said:
Don't try to act like you don't favor a candidate either.
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What candidate do I favor in your hypothetical scenario?
TheHermit said:
If people are too lazy to look out for their own self interest, then they get what they deserve. Shouldn't have to give out prizes.

I think making election day a national holiday would have the opposite effect of what you are going for. For the most part, only people with shitty jobs work on national holidays.
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The question isn't if we should we or shouldn't we, it's "do you think it would work?"
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
You believe there is no measurable difference between the democratic and republican party?
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Not enough that I care and I'm not alone by any means. I would say that most who vote democrat are choosing the lesser of two evils and maybe getting lucky as in the case of Obama who brought a little bit of perceptible change.

Padawanbater2 said:
I wouldn't argue liberals are "too lazy to vote", I'd argue, in recent times, more often than not the younger generation has tended towards liberalism, that's been consistent since Vietnam. With the introduction of the internet, that sentiment has increased exponentially. They don't tend to vote because a. they're not as familiar with the voting process itself as their older counterparts, b. they tend to believe less in the integrity of the voting system itself than their older counterparts, c. none of the candidates actually represent them or their interests, d. none of them feel like any of it matters (which applies to all age groups at that time)
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I disagree. I think people have no incentive to vote because there is very little perceptible difference between the turd sandwich and the giant douche.

Padawanbater2 said:
What's wrong with incentivising voting with a national lottery?
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What's wrong with presenting solutions to problems, cogent arguments and actually winning based on issues? Why buy voter turn out? Because the people don't want turd sandwiches OR giant douches.

Padawanbater2 said:
What makes you think if voter turnout went from 55% to 90%+, it wouldn't change anything?
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I didn't say that. I said it doesn't make enough difference if we have a turd sandwich or a giant douche. Not enough to incentivize voting. Hence the need to incentivize it in other ways, like lotteries.

You should learn to read, ya dummy.
Padawanbater2 said:
What candidate do I favor in your hypothetical scenario?
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*which

You clearly prefer turd sandwich.
 
heckler73

heckler73

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I'm not sure how this turned into a Hobson's Choice.
What happened to "write-ins"? What about leaving the cell blank?
Just because there is a box doesn't mean it needs to be X'ed.

Have you ever voted in a Federal election, AC?
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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heckler73 said:
I'm not sure how this turned into a Hobson's Choice.
What happened to "write-ins"? What about leaving the cell blank?
Just because there is a box doesn't mean it needs to be X'ed.

Have you ever voted in a Federal election, AC?
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I have voted. I voted for dubya in 2000 and Obama in 08. Didn't vote in 04. In 12 I would have voted for Jill Stein but my home state at the time, North Carolina, only allows write in from a list of approved names. It wasn't possible to vote for her there.

Like I said, giant douche or turd sandwich.
 
heckler73

heckler73

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abandonconflict said:
I have voted. I voted for dubya in 2000 and Obama in 08. Didn't vote in 04. In 12 I would have voted for Jill Stein but my home state at the time, North Carolina, only allows write in from a list of approved names. It wasn't possible to vote for her there.

Like I said, giant douche or turd sandwich.
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Then would you be content if there were a "none of the above" option?
 
heckler73

heckler73

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abandonconflict said:
I'd rather not vote at all.
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And miss out on a chance at $1Mn? Is your headband on too tight?
Maybe there should be another option. How about selling your vote? Would you be interested in that? That way someone who gives a shit can cast your vote instead.
That is essentially what you're doing by not voting, the only difference being you're still broke doing it your way. ;)
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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heckler73 said:
And miss out on a chance at $1Mn? Is your headband on too tight?
Maybe there should be another option. How about selling your vote? Would you be interested in that? That way someone who gives a shit can cast your vote instead.
That is essentially what you're doing by not voting, the only difference being you're still broke doing it your way. ;)
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Hah.

Is that what you think? I don't give a shit? Seriously, do you have that much faith in the system that by voting you feel you have participated? How cynical of you.

"I don't like the way things are going so by golly I'm going to vote really hard until things change!"

Do you think that it is the pinnacle of political activity to pick which member of the ruling class will explain the decisions made beyond your reach every few years? Do you think political activity ends at the ballot box?

I think my nonvote is worth more than your vote. What I'm saying with my lack of a ballot is that I don't approve of the election. I don't see it making a difference in my life which corporate sponsored warmongering emperor wins the most states.

Show me a candidate who will cut the pentagon budget, repeal unjust laws, hold corrupt officials accountable and effect real change and I will show up to vote. I will also show up to their funeral when they're assassinated.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

current voter turnout = 55% = 130 million voters

so we have 5 out of 9 voting, 130 million voters. 130 million divided by 5 is 26, 26 times 9 is 234. 234 times 9/10 is 211 million.

there are 1000 winners, each one gets a million dollars just for voting.

so 1,000 winners per 211,000,000 voters means a a one in 211,000 shot at winning $1,000,000.

that makes every vote worth about $4.74 USD.

if you choose not to vote, you have effectively thrown away five dollars.

would 90% of americans go vote for a hypothetical five dollar bill?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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sheskunk said:
I think people should be allowed to decide for themselves if they choose to vote or not. I don't really think increasing voter turnout changes anything. It wouldn't favor one side or the other.



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Thus is untrue. The underrepresented are overwhelmingly poor and would vote democratic by large margins. The Republicans know this, which is why they do all they can to keep the poor from voting.
 
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schuylaar

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Observe & Report said:
Online voting is a much harder problem than online tax payment because tax payments aren't secret from the government and nobody else wants to pay my taxes or pay taxes for people that don't exist...
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why? i've already worked out the code with @see4..i gave him the idea..he wrote the mental code..it's easy to do.
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
Who said they shouldn't?

More votes = more liberal votes, fact

Not too surprising those that don't tend to vote liberal wouldn't want more people voting..
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although, i will say i suspect there will still be the same 60/40 or 70/30 split.

it's all about the pattern, not every republican votes either.

like it or not, america is now a progressive majority.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Wow. So all those republicans and independents(who I'm sure would scoff at being called a progressive) are actually progressive democrats?

The country is pretty evenly split when accounting for independents.

So I'd say a progressive majority is not true at all.
 
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schuylaar

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Wow. So all those republicans and independents(who I'm sure would scoff at being called a progressive) are actually progressive democrats?

The country is pretty evenly split when accounting for independents.

So I'd say a progressive majority is not true at all.
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you know what?..texas needs to stop pulling pages out of their text books..did you not read what i said?

dude, you totally twisted around what i said..please re-read, and then ask me again.
 
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schuylaar

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operation 'skunk' has been compromised..repeat..operation 'skunk'..has..been..compromised..

move in everyone!!!!!!

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