I'm voting for McCain....

twostarhotel

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both of our canidates are lieing scumbags no better than bush, who knows well find out if eigther of them get it maybe bush will get alpha and call martial law for somthing, another ritualistic sacrifice they are planning who knows i just know im not voting anymore because we all really know that out vote doesnt mean shit anyway, those scumbags there no different they get on their knees for the same people
 

ccodiane

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Fair enough. Here's a couple of reasons why I won't vote for...

One...He voted to increase the federal deficit to 9 trillion dollars

and Two...

Since he voted to increase the deficit, I've also not seen, nor heard, nor read anything to indicate that he'd cut spending. A vote for McCain is a vote for more bloated government and rampant spending. He'll run this country into the ground with deficit spending and borrowing. The dude is an economics retard.

There are other reasons, but that should suffice.
Dave , your right on all counts......would you rather be shot in the chest with a .22 or a 12 gauge? This is why I'm voting McCain.
 

Dfunk

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Yo cc that shit is unecessary & you should fuckin' know better! Be decent don't be a dick.
 

ccodiane

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The reason why marriages fail in such great numbers is because greedy idiot libs constitute a large segment of society, less than half though. "It's about ME, FUCK the kids, FUCK the will of the people, FUCK CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION." Just like the mortgage bailout, just like entitlements, just like all the bullshit you libs latch on to. If you can somehow twist the argument to make it about YOUR RIGHTS, you'll fight for it, tooth and nail. Fuck the rights of the "other guy", the majority opinion, or the kids; you're taking food out of the mouth of........everyone not so greedy as to think they don't have to work for their bread. Open your gaping maw and swim, that's your (LIBS) theory of success. WHEN the government allows gay marriage, THEN it's about the dollar. Until then, it is a privilege bestowed upon society by society. A privilege, YOU FUCKING IDIOT LIBS.......a privilege gays, cats, dogs, love seats, dolphins, redwoods, etc, DON'T HAVE, unless we the people are so foolish to give it to these groups.
 

ccodiane

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but really marriage is about nothing really.

And with that logic, the same can be said about your mortgage? Sign your name, and then "forget" you signed? Typical lib philosophy.....
 

ViRedd

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And to the fools yakking about "liberal fascism" I suggest you read the book The Anatomy Of Fascism. It's not written by a journalist. It's written by a professor of political science from Columbia U with many years of experience studying the topic. Fascism is the merging of corporate and government interests. IOW, what we've got going on in the US now. Liberal fascism is an oxymoron. And by the way, the term "socialist" as it was used by those who became the Nazis was not the same thing as socialism as we call it now.
So, you don't think that racial quotas and privileges based upon race are fascistic? How about anti-smoking laws, trans-fat laws, plastic bag laws, minimum wage laws and money laundering laws? No fascism there, is there? Any thoughts on The Fairness Doctrine? The Supreme Court's recent Kelo decision? The call during the recent Senate hearings to "nationalize" the oil companies? How about anti-marijuana laws on the federal level without constitutional authority... given any thought to that? Have you had any thoughts on how "The New Deal," "The New Frontier" and "The Great Society" relate to fascism? Have you ever given any thought to the effect our abortion policies have had on racial selection? In some areas, over 70% of abortions are of Black children. What, you didn't know that? Did you know that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was an avowed eugenicist? Are you aware that President Wilson and Roosevelt, along with Churchill, were all fans of Mussolini's fascist economic system? In fact, Wilson was even a fan of Hitler's movement prior to WWII.

And now we have two candidates, one who sponsored McCain/Feingold, that was passed into law in direct opposition to the principles of free speech. And the other candidate who spouts old bromides and platitudes about "Hope and Change," and then when the rubber hits the road, gives a speech in Germany, of all places, touting individual sacrifice for the good of the greater society. Hope and change, indeed.

And as far as citing the opinions of those in academia, be assured that fascism is alive and well in our academic institutions. Politically speaking, there isn't much room in our universities for opposing conservative/libertarian thought or opinion. It is the intellectuals who are leading the way down the road to fascism. Its been that way since the beginning of the liberal fascist movement in the late 1800s.

In spite of your assertion that liberal fascism is an oxymoron, liberal/progressive fascism is alive and well in this country. The fact that the progressive movement has done a fine job in airbrushing "inconvenient," and "embarrassing" fascistic history out of the text books, or that they've falsely pinned conservatives with the fascist logo, doesn't mean that that history didn't exist, nor does it mean that it doesn't exist today. And it certainly doesn't mean that a conservative/libertarian movement calling for a smaller, less intrusive government, lower taxes and more liberty for the individual, is a movement of fascists. On the contrary, its the other way around, my friend.

Fascism is about the illusion of private ownership, with strict, dictatorial oversight by a central government. If that entails government partnerships with corporations, so be it. Fascism is fascism any way you want to slice it.

Remember ... it takes a village. :blsmoke:

Vi
 
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medicineman

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The reason why marriages fail in such great numbers is because greedy idiot libs constitute a large segment of society, less than half though. "It's about ME, FUCK the kids, FUCK the will of the people, FUCK CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION." Just like the mortgage bailout, just like entitlements, just like all the bullshit you libs latch on to. If you can somehow twist the argument to make it about YOUR RIGHTS, you'll fight for it, tooth and nail. Fuck the rights of the "other guy", the majority opinion, or the kids; you're taking food out of the mouth of........everyone not so greedy as to think they don't have to work for their bread. Open your gaping maw and swim, that's your (LIBS) theory of success. WHEN the government allows gay marriage, THEN it's about the dollar. Until then, it is a privilege bestowed upon society by society. A privilege, YOU FUCKING IDIOT LIBS.......a privilege gays, cats, dogs, love seats, dolphins, redwoods, etc, DON'T HAVE, unless we the people are so foolish to give it to these groups.
Quick, hide the guns, CCs about to blow. Turn off the radio................BOOM. another lib bites the dust!
 

ccodiane

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So, you don't think that racial quotas and privileges based upon race are fascistic? How about anti-smoking laws, trans-fat laws, plastic bag laws, minimum wage laws and money laundering laws? No fascism there, is there? Any thoughts on The Fairness Doctrine? The Supreme Court's recent Kelo decision? The call during the recent Senate hearings to "nationalize" the oil companies? How about anti-marijuana laws on the federal level without constitutional authority... given any thought to that? Have you had any thoughts on how "The New Deal," "The New Frontier" and "The Great Society" relate to fascism? Have you ever given any thought to the effect our abortion policies have had on racial selection? In some areas, over 70% of abortions are of Black children. What, you didn't know that? Did you know that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was an avowed eugenicist? Are you aware that President Wilson and Roosevelt, along with Churchill, were all fans of Mussolini's fascist economic system? In fact, Wilson was even a fan of Hitler's movement prior to WWII.

And now we have two candidates, one who sponsored McCain/Feingold, that was passed into law in direct opposition to the principles of free speech. And the other candidate who spouts old bromides and platitudes about "Hope and Change," and then when the rubber hits the road, gives a speech in Germany, of all places, touting sacrificing the individual for the good of the greater society. Hope and change, indeed.

And as far as citing the opinions of those in academia, be assured that fascism is alive and well in our academic institutions. Politically speaking, there isn't much room in our universities for opposing conservative/libertarian thought or opinion. It is the intellectuals who are leading the way down the road to fascism. Its been that way since the beginning of the liberal fascist movement in the late 1800s.

In spite of your concept that liberal fascism is an oxymoron, liberal/progressive fascism is alive and well in this country. The fact that the progressive movement has done a fine job in airbrushing "inconvienient," "embarrassing," fascistic history out of the text books doesn't mean that that history didn't exist, nor does it mean that it doesn't exist today.

Fascism is about the illusion of private ownership, with strict, dictorial oversight by a central government. If that entails government partnerships with corporations, so be it. Fascism is fascism any way you want to slice it.

Remember ... it takes a village. :blsmoke:

Vi
:joint::joint::joint::joint::joint::hump::hump::hump::hump:

Remember ... it takes a village. :blsmoke:

I always thought this to be an affront to good parents everywhere....
 

medicineman

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Fascism is about the illusion of private ownership, with strict, dictorial oversight by a central government. If that entails government partnerships with corporations, so be it. Fascism is fascism any way you want to slice it.

Could it be the same in reverse, a strong central government controlled by corporations, removing individual freedoms by the carload such as the Bush is doing? That is a fascistic plutochracy, an oligarcic plutocracy with fascistic tendicies, or basically, a conservative fascist state.
 

ccodiane

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Idiot......................arguing with you is like the government conferring marriage rights..........idiocy.
 

medicineman

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When I blow you away Med, it's with a good argument. Get used to it.
I wonder how you have the time to come here and fuck with us. Haven't us libs fucked the economy so bad that you actually have to work for a living, I mean who is going to pay for my SS, My entitlements, I love the sound of that word, "entitlement", sounds like some kind of royalty. Yes I am entitled. Work harder CC, work on,~LOL~.
 

ccodiane

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I wonder how you have the time to come here and fuck with us. Haven't us libs fucked the economy so bad that you actually have to work for a living, I mean who is going to pay for my SS, My entitlements, I love the sound of that word, "entitlement", sounds like some kind of royalty. Yes I am entitled. Work harder CC, work on,~LOL~.
When I'm on the computer, I do lose money.......if I let you libs control the arguments, I lose liberty.....I can earn it as fast as I need to, money; liberty is a more precious "commodity" by far.
 

Leilani Garden

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Fascism is about the illusion of private ownership, with strict, dictorial oversight by a central government. If that entails government partnerships with corporations, so be it. Fascism is fascism any way you want to slice it.

Could it be the same in reverse, a strong central government controlled by corporations, removing individual freedoms by the carload such as the Bush is doing? That is a fascistic plutochracy, an oligarcic plutocracy with fascistic tendicies, or basically, a conservative fascist state.
It's not COULD it be that; that IS what fascism is--strong, central government controlled by corporations, the central government basically merging with corporate interests. This administration is not a perfect example of it.

Regarding the notion a few posts back about liberals and universities? That's not news, that universities are places where one will find a lot of folks with liberal views. There are a lot of reasons for that, one of which is that those who dedicate their lives to scholarly work don't expect to earn huge amounts of money. Most university professors do not make much compared to those working in the private sector. In other words, they teach and research because that's how they want to spend their lives. Our system of education is based upon the ancient Greek system; hence the words "university" (coming from UNIVERSAL) and "liberal arts" (meaning education that is not strictly focused on trades, etc, and includes general education, such as natural sciences, humanities, and so on). It's also not news that those who embrace fascism, whether they recognize it as such or not, are opposed to liberal arts in general and make disparaging remarks about intellectualism, universities, arts, and so on. That's one of the symptoms of fascism.

It's pointless trying to explain this to those who call using ad hominem attacks "arguments" (as the person who called me names). You can't construct an argument around name calling. You construct an argument around making a statement, backing it up with credible sources or some other source of evidence, and then drawing conclusions. Resorting to "fuck off liberal" doesn't cut it. And that brings up the fallacy of arguing with the illogical--it's not possible. Why bother? You can't win when someone's response will just be "fuck off you stupid liberal." Where's the substance?

Regarding fascism, Mussolini, Hitler, and the post back there about US support for these regimes. Yes, that did happen. It did not last, however, did it? (But there are so many reasons for the US's involvement in WW2.) And it's also true that the United States had an "outbreak" of fascism after WW2. We've got another outbreak now. It does not change what the historical facts are about fascism, however. It just means that this time, it's us. Look at the rampant nationalism. Look at the disdain for universities. Look at the attacks on gays. Look at the merging of corporate and government interests. Look at the promotion of a national religion. That's where the symptoms are. (And yes, it's true that Wilson was quite a racist. So what?)

Back to that marriage issue, and that certain someone's insistence that failing marriages are the fault of all the selfish liberals who have no regard for the needs of children and so on. Interestingly enough, the rates of divorce are higher in the so-called red states (generally speaking), where you'll find so many more conservatives per capita. Those states have higher rates of divorce, so it kind of blows out the bottom of your allegations that liberals are responsible for high divorce rates.

Bible Belt Leads U.S. In Divorces | National Center for Policy Analysis
 
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