Indoor and outdoor perpetual harvests with seeds and clones

theloadeddragon said:

Anyways, the outdoors were droopy until I watered, and the wind is particularly angry today... so yay, more work outside, indoor still to finish setting up, really need to do that soon, and I feel like shit... need to rest etc. not going to work today... gotta go to the big city somewhere and get some groceries. I think when I am finish with the grow, I will write a summarization of the grow that will be a lot more organized and detailed, with more info on the whole "ordeal" these plants have gone through... I think the soil for the clones is too cool, and the air around the foliage is too hot, and I should probably give them more light than I am, I bet if I fix those things, they will perk right up... when I get the time to, like in the next hour, I will do more with the indoor set up until I can buy more supplies for it...

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clones need low light bro....just keep the foliage happy and the roots will pop. for example...if I put my clones within three feet of my 150 before they show new groth they fall over...if I take them away from the light they stand back up...keep the whole deal at about 85 if you canI cant wait to read the grow summary...I know how hard it is too keep everything updated properly and follow everyone elses grow at the same time...lol...work...gotta love it

the clones had no light, just a fluorescent tube about three or more feet away. the tube for the seedlings actually, and another sprout came up (like two hours ago), so that is five so far of eighteen . I am trying to keep a pic folder with all the pics aranged in the order they were taken, so I can do a slide show thingy with captioned descriptions of the whole process.

I am thinking about taking the two branches off of the very bottom of my cinderella and making them clones. Both branches are 18 inches in length and almost about 3/8 inch thick. I would use pure water to root them, with a little bit of thrive alive B1 mixed in, in a colored plastic water holding device of some kind... and saran wrap around a wire structure for an environment, where I can spray into and the moisture will stay. I will keep them inside the house for optimum temperature control.. what do yah think?

I think it sounds like a plan loaded, but I'm no expert on cloning (never done it) so I won't try to offer any advice. I would do the same with my topped Cinammon but I don't have the facilities. Good luck whatever you decide to do mate ...

theloadeddragon said:

I am thinking about taking the two branches off of the very bottom of my cinderella and making them clones. Both branches are 18 inches in length and almost about 3/8 inch thick. I would use pure water to root them, with a little bit of thrive alive B1 mixed in, in a colored plastic water holding device of some kind... and saran wrap around a wire structure for an environment, where I can spray into and the moisture will stay. I will keep them inside the house for optimum temperature control.. what do yah think?

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I think since your current clones are a bit scetchy you should just take off a couple of site in the middle of the plant...plus...every plant I have grown that has bushed out at the bottom...meaning the two bottom branches...has grown the second biggest colas on those branches...so I would say they are not the ones to clone

I got most of the aphids off of the cinderella by hand, and with a spray bottle filled with pure water. I crushed as many as I could between my fingers, will get lady bugs/neem oil ASAP, though I would probably want lady bugs more. I am up to 11 sprouts of 18 seeds planted, though I am having lighting issues in the veg room with them. I haven't been able to evenly distribute the lights, so the are all stretching in odd directions, I will go work on it after this. I misted everything, the clones are all still green, though some are droopy, and others aren't. I mixed ferts in my feeding of the outdoor ladies today... a couple drops of this, a couple drops of that... etc. that way they can get more N in their diet, and it seems they are taking to it well (it was a concentrated dose). I finally got the exhaust set up in the flowering room, it is right next to the HPS, where most of the heat comes from anyway (that and the room not being well enough insulated) with almost immediate results (Finally temps down to 82-84). Well, time to go see what can be done for lighting in the veg room...

uh.... the circuit for the garage just blew, switched it on off a few times, HPS and fan that were running off it won't come back on at all. All the plants that were in the flower room are now outside, which is really going to fuck with their light cycle because they were on at 11 am and off at 11 pm. Even though I have the netting and plastic up etc. there is still stronger wind outside than they were used to inside... but who knows, they might grow faster and better now their outside. We will see. I am very sick and tired of all the shitty work and fuck ups coming from this indoor set up. I should have had the whole set up complete and running for a few days before I even put the plants in there. I am not even going to try and get them back inside soon. Indeed, I am just going to leave them outside as much as I can, let them flower, and see what I can get (smaller electrical bills for a start!). I will use the indoor set up for the winter, and count on it being ready by then, so I don't have to fuck with a bunch of shit like this and fuck them up!

Sorry to hear about your problems loaded. F**k it, leave them outside - they'll love it LOL. Hope things improve for you, I think you've been working too hard. You need to have a smoke and relax for the nest few days

yeah,gotta work though... and bbq, yeah bbq... finally completely moved in , unpacked and feeling somewhat better.

Nice one mate. Now have a smoke and relax ... LOL.

I am, lol, grape ape in fact, and some skunk...

The lady bugs are loving my garden! and I got a new clone box with rockwool stuff for the clones, and cloning gel, and new tube fluoros with a 2600 lumen 5900 kelvin rating! , more nutes , still need more superthrive and bloom nutes though... will have to get soon, and I really need to get on top of the electrical in the Garage ASAP!!

theloadeddragon said:

The lady bugs are loving my garden! and I got a new clone box with rockwool stuff for the clones, and cloning gel, and new tube fluoros with a 2600 lumen 5900 kelvin rating! , more nutes , still need more superthrive and bloom nutes though... will have to get soon, and I really need to get on top of the electrical in the Garage ASAP!!

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about the electrical bro...you fried your breaker...you just need to replace it...check the amp rating on it and go get another one from home depot

will do tommorow, took about 12 more clones, this time using cloning gel, rock wool, and a little cloning box, with tube fluoros above it all, will take pics later...

so here's the update... those first two pictures are of some seedlings, a clone of purple kush, and most of the first batch of GDP clones, as you can see the GDP clones are drooping quite a bit, and they are 3-4 days old I think. The third pic is of the seedlings that just sprouted under 2 4 foot agrobright fluorescent tubes (40w, 2600 lumen, 6000 Kelvin each bulb), the tube is probably an extra couple of inches farther away because of how strong it is, also in the pic is an accidental clone of the purple kush, cut off and stuck into soil without thinking about it like 3 weeks ago. The fourth pic is of the clone box filled with the clones that were just taken today using the rooting gel and rock wool cubes, its right next to the fluorescents, but not right under them. The fifth sixth and seventh pictures are of a few more of the first batch of GDP clones, and unsprouted seeds. The eighth picture is of the seedlings directly under the agrobright light, notice the stretching (happened while under the other set of fluorescents. The ninth and tenth pictures so the whole veg set up (as it is for the moment. As you can see I am trying to keep the clones out of the direct light, and for the seedlings being so far from the agrobright lights I am trying to compensate with the CFLs on the side. The last five pictures are of the outdoor at night (will the flash mess with the photo period?) the first of them is the GDP (the one that the clones were taken from), the second shows grape ape clone on the right (having a hard time coming outside) seedling in the middle, purple Kush in bottom left and Cinderella in back left corner. The third one is just for the cinderella pretty much, though you can see others. The second to last pic is of three seedlings (no branching yet), the sensi star in the bottom middle and the skunk in the back left. Last pic is of the skunk, so you can see it all. I am a little worried about the first batch of clones I took, I don't think they have started to root really yet, is there anything that I can feed them to help their roots grow. I wish the seedlings hadn't stretched so much, and hope the don't really stretch like that anymore, will they stop stretching because they now have adequate light? Some of the tops of the new clones that were taken are bent on the top of the clone box... should I trim the bottoms of the stems off and recut/redip them? Do you think the First batch of GDP clones will survive? I will try to look at what materials I have to set something more permanent up for seedling/clone area, and normal veg area. I gave the outdoor a decent dose of FF Grow Big today, they didn't seem to mind at all, I am going to mix it in with their normal feedings now to see what happens with both veg and flower nutes going at the same time. I really need to deep clean both indoor set ups, fix the electrical in the garage their, and complete both the veg and flower rooms so I can hopefully have plants in there all through the winter.

*Original GDP clones were taken 08-04, so they would be 6 days old 8-10 at about 5 pm* Seeds were planted at same time, 14 sprouted of 18 planted by day six, 4 more to sprout.
Once I get the more permanent set up for the veg indoors, I am going to move the purple kush and sensi star clones into it along with the four seedlings, so they can veg for 20-35 more days, before flower. That way I don't get all the herbs at once, but continual harvests, I will do similar with the clones and seedlings that are going now. I am hoping that the grape ape will turn around so that I can clone her as well and get maybe 10-20 plants from her. this is all within the next two months, so I need to get a MH, and fix the electrical quick. And about the electrical, I would like to add the new sockets at the same time I fix the breaker. So what materials do I need, and an approximate cost?

I think that part of the drooping of the original GDP clones is from me putting two normal 40w tube fluorescents on them, too much light, I am even thinking about moving the clone box a couple more inches away...

Is the mesh to keep the bugs out or reduce wind? Plants looking food. Hope you get ur electrical sorted out.

sup biddie all lookin real nice...
but whats with the droopin of this plant
its the one in the bottom right hand corner.... isit cause its night time or lack of or to much water??

I need you to let me know more about the electrical with pics and I can guide you through it like that...as far as cost goes bro it is gonna depend...how many amps do you wanna run to the room from the new breaker...exactly how long is the run...how many feet apart in the room do you want your new outlets?...how many outlets?...etc...do you want anything on a switch?...gotta know all of this and then I can figure some numbers for you real quick and get you a shopping list.