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Lagged

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I use vitamin C powder (Ascorbic acid) to lower my pH, and it has the added benefit of nuetralizing chlorine and chloramine virtually on contact. A 1/4 tsp of of ascorbic acid neutralizes a bathtub full of tap water, and studies have shown that it has no negative effect on microorganisms.
Now that is something I did not know! Ya learn something new every day. We bubble our water for 24hr before using, hopefully combined with this we will have minimal levels of that nasty chlorine and chloramine crap. Thanks for the input bro!
 

Obepawn

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Now that is something I did not know! Ya learn something new every day. We bubble our water for 24hr before using, hopefully combined with this we will have minimal levels of that nasty chlorine and chloramine crap. Thanks for the input bro!
You don’t need to bubble your water for 24 hours or let it set 24 hours. Get a five gallon bucket of tap water, add a little vitamin c powder and stir it, use one of those pool chlorine testing kits and see for yourself. Neutralized almost instantly. In Chemistry, this is well known. I get mine from Sprouts Whole Foods store. Make sure it says pure vitamin C.
 

myke

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Just reviewing whats been discussed,Pro mix ph from the bag can be all over the place,444 was added.Tea was added molasses was added.Bloom boost was added.All of the above are low in ph.

Diagnoses is to lower ph in feed water?

No pro here but is it possible you need to raise the soil ph?
 

Obepawn

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Now that is something I did not know! Ya learn something new every day. We bubble our water for 24hr before using, hopefully combined with this we will have minimal levels of that nasty chlorine and chloramine crap. Thanks for the input bro!
No problem.
 

twentyeight.threefive

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You don’t need to bubble your water for 24 hours or let it set 24 hours. Get a five gallon bucket of tap water, add a little vitamin c powder and stir it, use one of those pool chlorine testing kits and see for yourself. Neutralized almost instantly. In Chemistry, this is well known. I get mine from Sprouts Whole Foods store. Make sure it says pure vitamin C.
Doesn't neutralize chloramine.
 

Lagged

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Just reviewing whats been discussed,Pro mix ph from the bag can be all over the place,444 was added.Tea was added molasses was added.Bloom boost was added.All of the above are low in ph.

Diagnoses is to lower ph in feed water?

No pro here but is it possible you need to raise the soil ph?
This is a great question, thank you for pointing this out. Based on the symptoms, I would believe K or mn def, yet the below chart shows that mg does well with low pH. So maybe it's a K lockout due to pH?


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Lagged

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You don’t need to bubble your water for 24 hours or let it set 24 hours. Get a five gallon bucket of tap water, add a little vitamin c powder and stir it, use one of those pool chlorine testing kits and see for yourself. Neutralized almost instantly. In Chemistry, this is well known. I get mine from Sprouts Whole Foods store. Make sure it says pure vitamin C.
In absence of Vitamin C, 24hr bubble yield same results, no?

Doesn't neutralize chloramine.
Would love to now more about this in reference to bubbling off vs vitamin c. Does bubbling off help with chloramine?
 

Lordhooha

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Everything I'm finding is saying otherwise bro.
Flora one can't be neutralized it have to be removed via a Kdf filter/ carbon filter. Chlorine is different it can be neutralized to a degree. but to be honest chlorine has never hurt my plants and for home use if I didn’t have all the shit I have now I’d be using chlorinated water and run with it like I did in the past.
 

Obepawn

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Yeah nevermind, ignore me. I was probably thinking of bubbling it out with air stones. Which will still get rid of it but takes a long time.
Hey bro, in any case, it gives people an option with tap water. I've went this route my entire last grow and it went really well with no sign of degradation of beneficial microbes in my super soil. Now I don't have a microscope but I had no ph problems associated with low microbial populations.
 

Obepawn

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I use tap …. My tap ( Cali ) chimes in at 7.2 / 155 ppm ….. non issue . I mix up my feed or water , add a pinch of Alaska ph crystals ( down ) to range it then give it to girls. Simple.

Most municipalities have adequate cal / mag within water source. I use it in a lot of peat based mixes regardless of buffers.
But if you add water and feeds close to medium ph then if buffer reliability ( oyster / dolo / etc. ) changes ( medium moisture content overall ) then you are more assured that your addition to equation is on track.

Outside plants give no shits on tap or RO. You are only targeting the range needed to properly have elements available for plant.
Ive seen growers run distilled , bottled water and other nonsense ….. it’s a plant FFS. You want to bump growth ?
Give it full power , add kelp / EWC .


Be aware , you only trying to stop progression of issues , damaged leaf will not recover ( defol ) them if you want.
You are throwing kitchen sink at it , when all you need is ph control. 4-4-4 alone is sufficient for veg period. Lotus bloom adds nothing during this stage.
What part of California bro?
 

Rebel71

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This is a great question, thank you for pointing this out. Based on the symptoms, I would believe K or mn def, yet the below chart shows that mg does well with low pH. So maybe it's a K lockout due to pH?
Foxfarm soil, and recharge

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Only a little bit and only when brewing teas. The plants benefit little to none giving them molasses. It’s only for feeding microbes.
well I learned from hippies that if you use molasses in soil. the micro organisms in the soil the feeds off of the nutrients in the soil, So the molasses from what I’ve understood from the hippies feeds a micro organisms in the soil that way they won’t be feeding on the plants if that makes sense
 

Obepawn

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well I learned from hippies that if you use molasses in soil. the micro organisms in the soil the feeds off of the nutrients in the soil, So the molasses from what I’ve understood from the hippies feeds a micro organisms in the soil that way they won’t be feeding on the plants if that makes sense
It's not to keep them from feeding on the plant, it's to provide a food source and environment for them to proliferate.
 

Rebel71

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It's not to keep them from feeding on the plant, it's to provide a food source and environment for them to proliferate.
That’s perfect I couldn’t said it any better the only thing I want to add was if the micro organisms in the soil take up a lot of the nutrients in the soil then it will affect the plants basically taking away from the plant
 

Obepawn

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That’s perfect I couldn’t said it any better the only thing I want to add was if the micro organisms in the soil take up a lot of the nutrients in the soil then it will affect the plants basically taking away from the plant
Not correct sir. Their job is break down organic matter in the soil and through digestion or predator microbes eating them, it becomes available in a form the plant can use.
 
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