Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

Dan Kone said:
If prop 19 passes, what you did will no longer even be illegal. So what are you talking about? Cops are just going to walk up to you and send you to prison for something legal? no dude.

And you can't get a felony for possession of a gram. That's not possible. Something doesn't add up there.
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REALSTYLES said:
a gram of hash is a felony read the california health and safety code
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Oh yeah...thought you would read the law before you enter into a legal debate
 
Rep to those who are reading 19 thinking about it and understanding what it means. some people's argument seems to be vote yes on 19-someone on t.v. said it legalizes weed so it's awsome and if you vote no you suck. Then when you point out what the problems with 19 are they say Your lying it doesn't say that ...then when you show them what prop 19 says they'll say well that's only IF- or they'll say they will change 19 after it passes to make it better or they say your greedy and trying to make money. Legalization would be great -19 IS NOT legalization
 
Sure Shot said:
How is 19 a step in the wrong direction from where we are now?
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It creates more laws restricting marijuana creates new felonys increaces penalties it also recriminilizes marijuana for 18-20 year olds.- Read one of the prop 19 threads....theirs 24 pages of debate about how 19 is a step in the wrong direction in this thread alone
 
I am not so sure. It explicitly states criminal penalties for persons 18 or over who give marijuana to minors.
I am fairly sure that this means if you are 18 and give marijuna to someone who is 18 or over=standard legal penalty, no new laws here, but if you are 18 and give marijuana to anyone aged 1-17 there are new criminal penalties.

Any previous law not overridden would still stand here.

I think that minor refers to someone under 18 in most California law.
 
gupp said:
I am not so sure. it explicitly states criminal penalties for persons 18 or over who give marijuana to minors. I am fairly sure that this means if you are 18 and give marijuna to someone who is 18 or over=standard legal penalty, no new laws here, but if you are 18 and give marijuana to anyone aged 1-17 there are new criminal penalties.
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we all know 18 year olds hang with 17 year olds sometimes...It isn't specific but prop 19 is allowing consumption of marijuana for adults prop 19 classifies adults as those 21 and over so I believe it is stating those under 21 as in 18 19 and 20 year olds would be considered minors - if you purchase alcohol for a 20 year old you have purchaced alcohol for a minor and can face prosicution for it. I think prop 19 could be applied the same way. I think it was written purposly to read this way. I do not know for sure but this is my opion and I see many potential problems
 
Yeah, I would agree, that anyone under 21 would be a minor in this case.
It's not even legal for them to possess it though. The law is trying to limit legal consumption to those 21 and over. Which it does. Whether or not you think the implementation is correct or not, that's more subjective.

Edit: What is the current law for giving/selling to a minor?
 
gupp said:
Edit: What is the current law for giving/selling to a minor?
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it would be the same for those under 18 the change would be for those smoking with or giving pot to 18 19 and 20 year olds..even a 18 year old who smokes a joint with a 20 year old could face a 3-5 year prison sentence
 
beardo, may I ask how old you are. It seems all you have going against prop 19 is the age thing. That leads me to think you're below 21 and are pissed about it. Every anti prop 19 post I've read from you it has to do with age.

My solution to you would be to either, not get caught or don't smoke until you're 21. Same goes for alcohol. What's the sentence for someone giving a minor alcohol?

I can't fathom how the cops would figure out your age unless you're stupid enough to carry an ID on you when you're high.

One minor clause that you disagree with shouldn't be enough to make you tell people to vote no. It's a start, it's better than being illegal or decriminalized. it's a step in the right direction, and I can grantee you if it fails there won't be another legalization bill for years. Go ahead and crap on progression all you want, you better hope to god it passes otherwise you will be regretting all the anti prop 19 shit you spew out.
 
Edit: What is the current law for giving/selling to a minor?
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3-5 years in state prison I believe. It was made law by prop36, which passed a while ago (2000). Prop36 made minor possession of mj (28.5 grams or less) into a misdemeanor AND decreased the jail time for selling. It also made giving away less than one ounce of mj have no fine. Fun stuff! The laws in prop19 are consistent with the laws of prop36 except that a 21 year old who deals to minors (18 and under, laws are the same for 18-20) gets fucked over really hard. Which I have no problem with, because adult drug dealers who deal to highschoolers are assholes (imo).
Norml has a summary of prop 36, just google it. If you don't like norml, go to prop36.org.
 
mccumcumber said:
3-5 years in state prison I believe. It was made law by prop36, which passed a while ago (2000). Prop36 made minor possession of mj (28.5 grams or less) into a misdemeanor AND decreased the jail time for selling. It also made giving away less than one ounce of mj have no fine. Fun stuff! The laws in prop19 are consistent with the laws of prop36 except that a 21 year old who deals to minors (18 and under, laws are the same for 18-20) gets fucked over really hard. Which I have no problem with, because adult drug dealers who deal to highschoolers are assholes (imo).
Norml has a summary of prop 36, just google it. If you don't like norml, go to prop36.org.
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So prop 19 is no different as far as giving/selling to a minor than the current laws? Wow.

I also read that what the gov signed only decriminalizes anything less than an ounce. If you have more than an oz it's still a felony, same goes for cultivation. So unless you have a medical card, you can't grow or have more than an ounce which blows. Sounds to me like Prop 19 is getting better by the day.
 
mr2shim said:
beardo, may I ask how old you are. It seems all you have going against prop 19 is the age thing. That leads me to think you're below 21 and are pissed about it. Every anti prop 19 post I've read from you it has to do with age.

My solution to you would be to either, not get caught or don't smoke until you're 21. Same goes for alcohol. What's the sentence for someone giving a minor alcohol?

I can't fathom how the cops would figure out your age unless you're stupid enough to carry an ID on you when you're high.

One minor clause that you disagree with shouldn't be enough to make you tell people to vote no. It's a start, it's better than being illegal or decriminalized. it's a step in the right direction, and I can grantee you if it fails there won't be another legalization bill for years. Go ahead and crap on progression all you want, you better hope to god it passes otherwise you will be regretting all the anti prop 19 shit you spew out.
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I'm well into my 30's but at one time I was a teenager and I dont think putting teenage marijuana users into the california state prison system and releasing them as convicts 3-5 years later will help america. I'm sorry if you are bothered by the fact that I am conserned about the impact this law will have on those other than myself. If you no longer want to attempt to debate the section you earlier claimed did not exsist and asked me to point out lets move on to another portion of the bill....25 square feet?? how about comercial licences and permits??? or how about local implamentation and regulation??? Or the 1 Oz limit?? want to discuss the impact on prop 215 and how it was only exempted in certian sections? How about the loss of U.S. jobs and its impact on the economy? what about the potential loss of fedral funding to california if this passes?
 
beardo said:
I'm well into my 30's but at one time I was a teenager and I dont think putting teenage marijuana users into the california state prison system and releasing them as convicts 3-5 years later will help america. I'm sorry if you are bothered by the fact that I am conserned about the impact this law will have on those other than myself. If you no longer want to attempt to debate the section you earlier claimed did not exsist and asked me to point out lets move on to another portion of the bill....25 square feet?? how about comercial licences and permits??? or how about local implamentation and regulation??? Or the 1 Oz limit?? want to discuss the impact on prop 215 and how it was only exempted in certian sections? How about the loss of U.S. jobs and its impact on the economy? what about the potential loss of fedral funding to california if this passes?
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exactly beardo.... why get consumed by the minor penalties when the there are so many more things wrong with this bill... 25 square feet, nope not enough, commercial rich folks can grow as much as they want... nope not happening.... oh and the local implementation, so its just left up to every place to decide what it is right and wrong, not enough consistency... 1 oz limit... that is another joke... it should at least be 1/4 pound at the very least.... what about all the people with the 215 card, nothing in there makes me feel that they are REALLY protected at all.... and lets not get started on the loss of federal funding, which will happen... shit, they did that to montana because of the SPEED limit in the early 90's... they cut off (well actually didnt have to, but threatened to) funding to the state if they didnt change the limitless speed limit... imagine what they will do for MJ.... we could be here all day... the point is that this bill IS SO SHITTY I cant believe that people think this is a STEP in the right direction.... Its not even close... Its VAILED so people will VOTE AWAY THEIR RIGHTS..... 2cents
p.s. lets not forget that now you WILL NOT GET ARRESTED FOR POSSESSING A OUNCE IN THE WHOLE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.... so people really arent gaining as much as they think they are with this bill, they are actually hindering the large scale effort of full and absolute LEGALIZATION.....
 
beardo said:
I'm well into my 30's but at one time I was a teenager and I dont think putting teenage marijuana users into the california state prison system and releasing them as convicts 3-5 years later will help america. I'm sorry if you are bothered by the fact that I am conserned about the impact this law will have on those other than myself. If you no longer want to attempt to debate the section you earlier claimed did not exsist and asked me to point out lets move on to another portion of the bill....25 square feet?? how about comercial licences and permits??? or how about local implamentation and regulation??? Or the 1 Oz limit?? want to discuss the impact on prop 215 and how it was only exempted in certian sections? How about the loss of U.S. jobs and its impact on the economy? what about the potential loss of fedral funding to california if this passes?
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Prop 19 doesn't affect prop 215. Anyone who says it does is lying. What about the 1oz limit? That sounds better than a 0oz limit. What about 25sq ft? That sounds better than 0sq ft. As far as jobs go, If it is industrialized, which I'm sure it will be. That will create more jobs, unless robots are going to be growing, trimming, packaging, driving the trucks. What are the current laws with minors? From what I read in another thread prop 36 carries the same penalties for minors under 21. So what's the difference? There isn't a current bill or prop that is going to lessen the laws on minors. I'm not sure how legalizing marijuana on a state level is going to decrease jobs. I'd love to hear you go in depth with that one. What about potential loss of federal funding? Did prop 215 cause a loss in federal funding? If the answer is no, what is to say prop 19 will? Any facts or just more propaganda?

nathenking, at least a 1/4lb are you fucking serious? Try this, pretend you don't smoke marijuana, grow marijuana or sell marijuana. Pretend you're just some schmuck that knows nothing about it and thinks it's dangerous, would you be ok with your neighbor having a 1/4lb of pot living next to you and you family? Wouldn't 1oz sound a lot better? If you're answer is no, you're a fucking liar.

News flash dipshit, most of America doesn't smoke marijuana and they know next to nothing factual about it. Americans are a bunch of lazy, fat, stupid, adult like babies. They have to be spoon fed everything and if you think they are going to be ok with joe schmo having 80 plants and 1/4lb+ of marijuana in his house next to you and your perfect little family, something is seriously wrong with you.
 
mr2shim said:
So prop 19 is no different as far as giving/selling to a minor than the current laws? Wow.

I also read that what the gov signed only decriminalizes anything less than an ounce. If you have more than an oz it's still a felony, same goes for cultivation. So unless you have a medical card, you can't grow or have more than an ounce which blows. Sounds to me like Prop 19 is getting better by the day.
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Possesion of more than an OZ not a felony now it is a misdimenor and 19 makes 20 year olds minors as far as marijuana is concerned
 
I'm confused as to the status of Tom Ammiano's bill, is it already attached to 19? Does it require a separate vote?

Edit: Ok it will need another vote but chances of it passing seem rather high.
 
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