My first class with the golden teacher

aCiDjEsUs · Mar 7, 2013

RetiredMatthebrute said:
have you though about using a 26w CFL and spray painting it black? this will put off some heat but no light..
im willing to bet Acid with your change in temps you will start seeing growth by end of weekend if not sooner....I have a question though, when you knocked up the jars did you make sure to squirt the solution down the sides of the jars?

if you get the styro cooler than just rig up the light in it somehow.....either way im sure you will get there in due time. Im the type of person who wants fast results...if i have to wait 2 weeks to see results i will but if theres something i can do to shorten that 2 weeks to 5 days i will go for it.

also as thundercat has mentioned you can always make a small incubator out of a couple of small totes and an aquarium heater...cheap and can be relativly small too so it will fit your space.

didnt really think about that, my PC may not fit quarts either so that may be a pipe dream.

either way looking good. will get there eventually good vibes to everyone!!

Sure did Matt, I watched those videos "lest grow mushrooms" like 7 times in a row haha, so I remembered to point the needle towards the inside wall of the jar so the solution would run down the side of the jars wall.

Let's just hope so, temps are steady since yesterday so I'm keeping my fingers crossed this time to see some growth in my jars

RetiredMatthebrute · Mar 7, 2013

aCiDjEsUs said:
Sure did Matt, I watched those videos "lest grow mushrooms" like 7 times in a row haha, so I remembered to point the needle towards the inside wall of the jar so the solution would run down the side of the jars wall.

Let's just hope so, temps are steady since yesterday so I'm keeping my fingers crossed this time to see some growth in my jars

you will man, if my syringes were good im sure yours were as well since they were shipped same day they were prob same batch.

polyarcturus · Mar 7, 2013

the only reason to do this is to a) distribute the spores more and b) makes it so you can see the growth as it starts. once again this is where im lazy but then again i think about the heath of my germinating spores. the center is mroe protected from light and temp changes so i tend to shoot my solution into the center of my corn, a downside to this is if i use too much solution the spores will run with the water to the bottom of my jars, which really isnt a problem, just dont set them on anything cold.(even down the sides if you use to much solution the spores will pool at the bottom)

canndo · Mar 7, 2013

Your spores will adhere all the way down, and if you want you can shake the grain just after it is innoculated - I never do but there is no problem with it.

technical dan · Mar 7, 2013

Thundercat said:
Thats why I never did quarts, the larger PCs can be pricey, so I just ran a ton of pints.

I think I will end up getting a larger PC no matter what I have a four quart one right now cuz it was cheaper then the bigger ones and I bought it before my current plan had completely developed. I can only fit two pints and a half pint into at once, and it only achieves 10 psi as a running pressure. The way I look at it the cost to space ratio improves as PCs increase in size.

I am hoping I will be able to fund it by selling some of this run to friends. At some point I want to get a bunch of jars going with P. galindoa and then let them sit n do their thing for 2-9 months. So being able to do this in quarts and in maybe 3 or 4 sterilization sessions to get a 12 pack of quart jars going is much more appealing than to do it in 12 PC sessions ( since the largest jar I can currently PC is a pint).

technical dan · Mar 7, 2013

RetiredMatthebrute said:
if you get the styro cooler than just rig up the light in it somehow.....either way im sure you will get there in due time. Im the type of person who wants fast results...if i have to wait 2 weeks to see results i will but if theres something i can do to shorten that 2 weeks to 5 days i will go for it.

also as thundercat has mentioned you can always make a small incubator out of a couple of small totes and an aquarium heater...cheap and can be relativly small too so it will fit your space.

either way looking good. will get there eventually good vibes to everyone!!

Yep I feel ya there if you can affect it (speed it up) why not do so. I would like to avoid plugging anything else in so I'm going to get the styro cooler today and see if I can get a nice temp distribution with it on a towel on top of my seedling cab. Yes I do have places I could put a scaled down aquarium heater style incubator and I may. But again I would like to avoid additional electrical consumption. I would like the faster colonization rate esp. for the golden teachers I am not as worried about the P. galindoa since they will be in the jars for a two month minimum anyway. I will also have better ambient temps as the seasons progress, either way I figure I and the mycelium will get there.

Sendin out good vibes too :bigjoint:

RetiredMatthebrute · Mar 7, 2013

i made a new thread on mycotopia.net...same username and same thread name as here. if anyone want to check it out they are welcome to but updates will be given here as main priority

Thundercat · Mar 7, 2013

I can feel ya on needing a bigger one either way then dan. If you can only do 2 jars at once. I think mine was an 8 or 10 quart, I would run I believe 6 pint jars at a time. At one point when I first started I had 2 pcs and ran them both at once to do a huge run of jars to get going. I really think I'm gonna order up some bag kits from homestead and grow them out again. It will be an easy way for me to re-enter the shroom world in my current location.

Lothario · Mar 7, 2013

I couldn't read this whole thread, but here's what I did several years ago

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9371873

I highly recommend the shroomery for a good source of info.

Thundercat · Mar 7, 2013

Good read man, I will definitely try the trays uncased next time. I never had issues with my humidty not being at 99% so I'm sure it would work fine, and eliminate that whole set. Not that the casing is hard to do, but its another step, and another point for possible contams.

polyarcturus · Mar 7, 2013

Thundercat said:
Good read man, I will definitely try the trays uncased next time. I never had issues with my humidty not being at 99% so I'm sure it would work fine, and eliminate that whole set. Not that the casing is hard to do, but its another step, and another point for possible contams.

ideally casing is a barrier for contams. IMNSEO casing is superior to non cased.

RetiredMatthebrute · Mar 8, 2013

some mycelium pornz anyone?

out of the 12 jars 9 have growth, 3 will be fully colonized by sunday and i will case them, 3 more will be a few days behind and then the last 3 should be done by next weekend. the 3 jars that dont have any growth will be chucked if i dont see anything soon and re knocked to use for my second run. will use them for grain to grain transfers in around 21 jars. 12 pint sized and 9 1/2 pint sized.

i will probabally be doing a poo casing which will consist of leeched cow poo and vermiculite (pasturized) for my bottom layer, then my substrate (colonized popcorn) for the second layer and then plain pasturized vermiculite for my 3rd layer...

aCiDjEsUs · Mar 8, 2013

YaY Finally I got some growth in two of my jars, and these jars are from the second batch. I can clearly see mycelium growing around the inoculation points.

RetiredMatthebrute · Mar 8, 2013

WOOOOOOT Ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk nyeah man!!! im been waiting for someone else to report some sucess...kinda odd its from the second batch though....

hopefully all your jars start to colonize, Im thinking with the temp changes they will !!

RetiredMatthebrute · Mar 8, 2013

what do you guys think about using poo and hay as a bottom layer? will hay work like straw or is it a no no....? I have a bail of hay thats going to go unused because my pig's are headed to the bacon house Sunday.

aCiDjEsUs · Mar 8, 2013

RetiredMatthebrute said:
WOOOOOOT Ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk nyeah man!!! im been waiting for someone else to report some sucess...kinda odd its from the second batch though....

hopefully all your jars start to colonize, Im thinking with the temp changes they will !!

Hell Yeah!!! Yeah I think so too that's because of the warm and steady temps in there, but I'm still waiting for some growth on my first batch

So so far so good

RetiredMatthebrute · Mar 8, 2013

i just want to figure out what im casing with. ................ugg should have enough fully colonized jars soo and want to get at least 1 pan started.....

aCiDjEsUs · Mar 8, 2013

I'm thinking of knocking up rest of my jars, I got like 4 jars left. I'll still wait for the first batch, maybe there's going to be life after all in them if not, I'll just toss them fuckers out lol.

technical dan · Mar 8, 2013

Sounds good guys. Good you got some moving acid.

Thunder yep the baby PC with 2 jars at a time just isn't doin it for me. Good!! get it going again.

I got my styro cooler and its on top of my seedling cab bumping it up 7 or 8 degrees F over ambient. The distribution of heat from the cab is uneven and higher than ideal in one spot so I'm testing to see if a water bath will reduce the temp differentials and it it does Ill get some containers and make TC's incubator just with a diff heat source.

canndo · Mar 8, 2013

Thundercat said:
Good read man, I will definitely try the trays uncased next time. I never had issues with my humidty not being at 99% so I'm sure it would work fine, and eliminate that whole set. Not that the casing is hard to do, but its another step, and another point for possible contams.

You will be shooting yourself in the foot if you do not case. I know what they say, that casing is optional and that you will get the same results but, frankly, they are wrong, I have posted some pictures and I defy anyone to match those canopies without casing, and the yields are commensurate with the canopy.

There are a host of reasons to case and only a few not to - one being laziness.

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