OregonMeds
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Thanks Fatman.
My thinking was that higher than normal o2 in the water may make the system more flexible on ambient temps, is the idea. DD's system drops yield if not in a perfect environment and from other grows I had seen before with other media people have pulled off high yields without giving much care at all to ambient temps depending on strain.
I have felt like I've gotten more than I should have at times when I didn't have things right at all in my soil grows as long as the soil temps were not too bad, but I haven't seen dwc gain yield with higher temps in anything I've browsed before.
I knew about the dying roots, the gasses they give off, listened to you before. Then in my research I tracked down a patent on the best way to degass impurities from super oxygenated water, it just boiled down to throw large bubbles through it. So, that was the reason to include the air stones with supersaturated water, not for air. And the bio balls also appear to have potential to help in the same way and more.
Plus the large bubbles also stimulate the roots, keep things moving more, don't let the micro bubbles just sit in one place in my micro testing it kicks them off and stirs things great. Without the large bubbles everything gets covered in a froth of little bubbles that never move and just stick to everything.
Krusty grows did things that have made me think and wonder for a long time comparing to actual dwc, and they had insane o2 and there was a whole lot of root stimulation. Mix that idea with what you have seen when rotary grows move things around. I don't want to shred roots etc but find the sweet spot.
Grows like you diss with big water pumps, big air pumps, those have appeared to gain over standard dwc like you speak of and I think it's because of movement also. Am I off base, or have you given up too soon on dwc and just not believed anything you've seen at all? I know you don't believe yields, but I'm a picture is worth a thousand words guy. Remember that fight you had with me? Some impressive things have passed my browser window, and I'm always wondering why did that work or why did that look so good when. I'm not arguing, asking your opinion which I greatly value even if it's still likely not what I want to hear. Lets say yields aside and pictures only why did certain things look so good compared to others. Not cut buds, but like the old krusty pic with the plant in tact but with no leaves where you could see more bud than dd's pics?
Yes Sherryberry plastidip is everywhere just ask for it at any decent size store. The bio balls are not that expensive when you buy in bulk, and we would need enough to get bulk prices. 20 gallons for $100 I don't think is a really big deal, even if tossed ea cycle. The things I have read make me think they will pay off.
I have had it with hydroton and lava, just had it. I don't care on cost on that one part. And they could probably be reused if you cared enough...
My thinking was that higher than normal o2 in the water may make the system more flexible on ambient temps, is the idea. DD's system drops yield if not in a perfect environment and from other grows I had seen before with other media people have pulled off high yields without giving much care at all to ambient temps depending on strain.
I have felt like I've gotten more than I should have at times when I didn't have things right at all in my soil grows as long as the soil temps were not too bad, but I haven't seen dwc gain yield with higher temps in anything I've browsed before.
I knew about the dying roots, the gasses they give off, listened to you before. Then in my research I tracked down a patent on the best way to degass impurities from super oxygenated water, it just boiled down to throw large bubbles through it. So, that was the reason to include the air stones with supersaturated water, not for air. And the bio balls also appear to have potential to help in the same way and more.
Plus the large bubbles also stimulate the roots, keep things moving more, don't let the micro bubbles just sit in one place in my micro testing it kicks them off and stirs things great. Without the large bubbles everything gets covered in a froth of little bubbles that never move and just stick to everything.
Krusty grows did things that have made me think and wonder for a long time comparing to actual dwc, and they had insane o2 and there was a whole lot of root stimulation. Mix that idea with what you have seen when rotary grows move things around. I don't want to shred roots etc but find the sweet spot.
Grows like you diss with big water pumps, big air pumps, those have appeared to gain over standard dwc like you speak of and I think it's because of movement also. Am I off base, or have you given up too soon on dwc and just not believed anything you've seen at all? I know you don't believe yields, but I'm a picture is worth a thousand words guy. Remember that fight you had with me? Some impressive things have passed my browser window, and I'm always wondering why did that work or why did that look so good when. I'm not arguing, asking your opinion which I greatly value even if it's still likely not what I want to hear. Lets say yields aside and pictures only why did certain things look so good compared to others. Not cut buds, but like the old krusty pic with the plant in tact but with no leaves where you could see more bud than dd's pics?
Yes Sherryberry plastidip is everywhere just ask for it at any decent size store. The bio balls are not that expensive when you buy in bulk, and we would need enough to get bulk prices. 20 gallons for $100 I don't think is a really big deal, even if tossed ea cycle. The things I have read make me think they will pay off.
I have had it with hydroton and lava, just had it. I don't care on cost on that one part. And they could probably be reused if you cared enough...
