New Year's Resolutions Pertaining to Politics.

Fogdog

Fogdog

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CatHedral said:
I agree. Quantum math robbed those who wanted to calculate the future.
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I get what you are saying about how some things occur EVERY time in the macro world. Every time I drop a coin it falls to my feet. I never expect it to go up, which is a possibility in theory. But I'd be crazy to think it would. My reference to quantum physics was kind of a cheat. It was great debate among Einstein and his peers but I'm no Einstein and I don't really understand what I just said about quantum physics.

Where I part ways with that old chestnut is it says the definition of crazy, etc. It's not crazy to take a swing and miss at a baseball and think "the next time, I'm going to hit it". If you don't like the baseball analogy, then how about golf? Or bowling. Those are not really random acts, they look like it because there are so many variables in play but a home run hit is determined by everything the hitter does to a pitch. It is not random. Perfectly sane people repeat the same acts and expect a different result.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Fogdog said:
I get what you are saying about how some things occur EVERY time in the macro world. Every time I drop a coin it falls to my feet. I never expect it to go up, which is a possibility in theory. But I'd be crazy to think it would. My reference to quantum physics was kind of a cheat. It was great debate among Einstein and his peers but I'm no Einstein and I don't really understand what I just said about quantum physics.

Where I part ways with that old chestnut is it says the definition of crazy, etc. It's not crazy to take a swing and miss at a baseball and think "the next time, I'm going to hit it". If you don't like the baseball analogy, then how about golf? Or bowling. Those are not really random acts, they look like it because there are so many variables in play but a home run hit is determined by everything the hitter does to a pitch. It is not random. Perfectly sane people repeat the same acts and expect a different result.
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I get that. I’m trying to say that I think the expression holds true for a certain mindset, one in which I’ve been steeped. I would accept that condition as implied. Maybe that is biasing me.
 
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schuylaar

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GoatSoup said:
I resolve NOT to get drunk and dance on the table when they drag Trump off to prison for his sedition. DO do reserve to right to smoke three joints and cheer them perp walking him though.
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we already know what perp walk will look like.

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he'll have his hands behind his back and be escorted by whoever seized him first. unless he dies Trump men don't live long.

the above look is that of defeat.
 
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schuylaar

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CunningCanuk said:
I would put them in the stupid category. A good education is not a substitute for a lack of common sense. You can have one without the other. Any doctor who truly believes vaccines are a form of government control is good example of that.

Still, I would imagine that percentage to be very low.
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we have a new sock..pinch me.
 
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schuylaar

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0potato0 said:
But we have already had 2-4 jabs, the vaccine that prevents us from dying and up till 3 boosters which don't work vs the new strain. You know very well what the definition of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is
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Russian?
 
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schuylaar

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0potato0 said:
boosters don't do shit vs omnicron there was a party at a hotell across the border from where i live 120 people 2 just came from south africa : 70 got omnicron and 50 people from hotell got infected too. everyone was double jabbed

Eurosurveillance | Outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in Norway, November to December 2021

In late November 2021, an outbreak of Omicron SARS-CoV-2 following a Christmas party with 117 attendees was detected in Oslo, Norway. We observed an attack rate of 74% and most cases developed symptoms. As at 13 December, none have been hospitalised. Most participants were 30–50 years old...
www.eurosurveillance.org www.eurosurveillance.org
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why did i know you are Russian?
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
We throw dice and expect a different result. One might say that we don't throw dice exactly the same way and so we get different results each time. But to the dice thrower, they didn't do anything different. Was he insane?
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don't most dice games involve the thrower sigil (of sorts) wearing 'winning' socks; whispering to the dice etc. to change the outcome.
 
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schuylaar

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well Twitter came in with a New Year's Resolution.

www.nbcnews.com

Twitter 'permanently suspends' Marjorie Taylor Greene's personal account

Greene's account was suspended over "repeated violations" of Twitter's Covid-19 misinformation policy, the company said.
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"We permanently suspended the account you referenced (@mtgreenee) for repeated violations of our COVID-19 misinformation policy," Twitter said in a statement. "We’ve been clear that, per our strike system for this policy, we will permanently suspend accounts for repeated violations of the policy."
 
zeddd

zeddd

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CunningCanuk said:
I would put them in the stupid category. A good education is not a substitute for a lack of common sense. You can have one without the other. Any doctor who truly believes vaccines are a form of government control is a good example of that.

Still, I would imagine that percentage to be very low.
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Doctors are highly trained specialists with a broad education, most believe as you do that colleagues who are odds with the public health program of vaccination are irresponsible. Yet they went to the same lectures and did the same exams, but they have what seems to be polar opposite views to accepted science. If you frame the debate in a binary landscape, ie doctors sane vs doctors insane then you will probably miss the reason they hold different views. It’s this difference which is interesting. I don’t think the argument that they are stupid really holds much weight.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CunningCanuk said:
I would put them in the stupid category. A good education is not a substitute for a lack of common sense. You can have one without the other. Any doctor who truly believes vaccines are a form of government control is a good example of that.

Still, I would imagine that percentage to be very low.
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Some people operate off of conditioned feelings alone, thought and reason are used to rationalize these emotions. People also need a certain amount of personal integrity and honesty with themselves, along with empathy and these are not measured academically. Education can make a difference and generally filters intelligence, but intelligence encompasses many "micro" abilities" too and we all don't have them in equal measure. Also education does not necessarily increase emotional intelligence and other psychological factors.

In short there are educated arseholes too and it probably has more to do with their emotional and social lives, than their intellectual ones. The bottom line is the science and consensus are not on their side and they refuse to accept it, just like an anti vaxxer. We see a few blacks for Trump too, same story really, the greedy, the mentally ill, narcists and sociopaths exist in every group, scientists are no different in this regard. There were always lot's of quacks and greedy doctors who put money before people.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Some people operate off of conditioned feelings alone, thought and reason are used to rationalize these emotions. People also need a certain amount of personal integrity and honesty with themselves, along with empathy and these are not measured academically. Education can make a difference and generally filters intelligence, but intelligence encompasses many "micro" abilities" too and we all don't have them in equal measure. Also education does not necessarily increase emotional intelligence and other psychological factors.

In short there are educated arseholes too and it probably has more to do with their emotional and social lives, than their intellectual ones. The bottom line is the science and consensus are not on their side and they refuse to accept it, just like an anti vaxxer. We see a few blacks for Trump too, same story really, the greedy, the mentally ill, narcists and sociopaths exist in every group, scientists are no different in this regard. There were always lot's of quacks and greedy doctors who put money before people.
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Im saying: if they aren’t stupid, and if they aren’t greedy, (which is my position) then what is causing the difference.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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zeddd said:
Im saying: if they aren’t stupid, and if they aren’t greedy, (which is my position) then what is causing the difference.
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Demon Sperm?

There are so many possibilities. You don't have to be 'smart' to put in the work to get an education, there are many different levels of credibility of schools, the person may have went through some kind of trauma and gotten radicalized into the death cult, on and on.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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zeddd said:
Im saying: if they aren’t stupid, and if they aren’t greedy, (which is my position) then what is causing the difference.
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Conditioned feelings that drive emotions and color thinking. There are a multitude of motives, some truly believe on a conscious level, others are just cynical and some are looking to profit. They can be caught up in tribalism just like anybody else and there are bigots and racist among them too. It's sometimes hard to tell, since multiple character flaws tend to occur in these individuals. People often don't do things for rational reasons, but their thinking is influenced by feelings an emotions. One of the purposes of science is to put that aside and stick to the facts, but it's not hard to find people with degrees who are motivated by other things, whether they realize it or not.
 
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