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ttystikk

ttystikk

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itsmehigh said:
It's all about the cost.....if the LED's were the same price as comparable hid fixtures we wouldn't be having this convo. I would be trying LED for large scale.

Itsme.
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Word.

@The Hippy
I've seen plenty of larger LED grows here, you just have to look on the right subforum...

'LED and other lighting'

3lb/1000W is still less than 1.5 grams per watt, and people are pulling that from their COB LED and Quantum Board grows so regularly it's not even news anymore.

The only thing holding LED back from larger scale commercial operations is up front cost and even that's changing fast. Smarter commercial facilities are already starting to change over, aided by rebates from their power companies and the obvious running cost savings.

Spectrum King, Black Dog, Platinum and others are just rip-off artists, preying on those who don't know anything about the technology or what's now available.

RIU has some of the most advanced horticultural LED makers anywhere, just go look for them;
Horticulture Lighting Group
Johnson Grow Lights
Northern Grow Lights
Tasty LED
Timber
COB Kits
(and more, sorry if I missed a few!)

Many of the above will sell kits or complete fixtures, your choice.

LED is better, and it's only a matter of time before pricing comes down. Even the lights made by the companies listed above are affordable compared to Spectrum King, etc.

But some will live and die by their preconceptions, facts and becoming informed be damned. That part is up to you and you alone...
 
The Hippy

The Hippy

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ttystikk said:
Word.

@The Hippy
I've seen plenty of larger LED grows here, you just have to look on the right subforum...

'LED and other lighting'

3lb/1000W is still less than 1.5 grams per watt, and people are pulling that from their COB LED and Quantum Board grows so regularly it's not even news anymore.

The only thing holding LED back from larger scale commercial operations is up front cost and even that's changing fast. Smarter commercial facilities are already starting to change over, aided by rebates from their power companies and the obvious running cost savings.

Spectrum King, Black Dog, Platinum and others are just rip-off artists, preying on those who don't know anything about the technology or what's now available.

RIU has some of the most advanced horticultural LED makers anywhere, just go look for them;
Horticulture Lighting Group
Johnson Grow Lights
Northern Grow Lights
Tasty LED
Timber
COB Kits
(and more, sorry if I missed a few!)

Many of the above will sell kits or complete fixtures, your choice.

LED is better, and it's only a matter of time before pricing comes down. Even the lights made by the companies listed above are affordable compared to Spectrum King, etc.

But some will live and die by their preconceptions, facts and becoming informed be damned. That part is up to you and you alone...
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Not sold.......I'll mix em with DE for now.
 
legalcanada

legalcanada

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driel said:
have any links? I found one with Remo and some of his plants responded well but not much other than that which show start to finish results.
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Grandmaster Level said in a recent video he was in talks with 3 different LED companies to perhaps try out their lights against his HPS setup. He's a canadian commercial grower with 250-300 plants. Said if he gets the LEDs he'll run them in his rooms against same strains etc to do a real comparison not just against HPS but the 3 different LEDs against eachother too and if they perform well he'll replace his entire setup. Should be super interesting. He took 1st place sativa and 1st place indica in the grass roots cup recently and the strains/growers weren't known to judges. Hopefully COBs and quantum boards are some of them. It definitely is used in commercial applications already... Would save huge money on electricity, ACs, bulbs etc

 
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legalcanada said:
Grandmaster Level said in a recent video he was in talks with 3 different LED companies to perhaps try out their lights against his HPS setup. He's a canadian commercial grower with 250-300 plants. Said if he gets the LEDs he'll run them in his rooms against same strains etc to do a real comparison not just against HPS but the 3 different LEDs against eachother too and if they perform well he'll replace his entire setup. Should be super interesting. He took 1st place sativa and 1st place indica in the grass roots cup recently and the strains/growers weren't known to judges. Hopefully COBs and quantum boards are some of them. It definitely is used in commercial applications already... Would save huge money on electricity, ACs, bulbs etc

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I've asked many LED companies that would promote their LED system as the "best" on FB groups. Told them I own a store, loan me a few unit so one of my best gardener customers to try out and if they worked I'd pay for them and start pumping them. Not one took the offer, I did state that they would have to produce at least 1.25lb per 4x4 area in 12-14 weeks vs a 1000W HID using say a Sylvania bulb.
 
legalcanada

legalcanada

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CannaReview said:
I've asked many LED companies that would promote their LED system as the "best" on FB groups. Told them I own a store, loan me a few unit so one of my best gardener customers to try out and if they worked I'd pay for them and start pumping them. Not one took the offer, I did state that they would have to produce at least 1.25lb per 4x4 area in 12-14 weeks vs a 1000W HID using say a Sylvania bulb.
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i think this guy was actually contacted by the LED companies themselves. he talks about it in his season 5 (or 6?) opening episode.

unrelated : this is a free contest to win an LED grow light - https://wn.nr/PBsh4B - i think they will actually be giving away 5 or more grow lights in the near future. there will be much better lights given away than this first one too.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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Those pretty lights can grow some weed. I like the flexibility of multiple bars and dimmable if needed. I can adjust the output and spread them to suit whatever footprint I'm running. This (pics below) is ~3x6' running 550w total. I can stretch a total of 700w to cover off 3x8'. With a single source like say 1x 600w hps you wouldn't have the coverage, that's the difference between LEDs and bulb tech.

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InTheValley

InTheValley

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interesting. My next light system is 4 HighBay LED 4000k Lights, $140 each, 165watts each, for 4 of these, its $560 @660 watts with 95,040 LumEns, in a 5x5 Overkill, lol. just cant see paying $1,500 for a dam light, FK that sht. AND, they are dimmable.
 
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InTheValley

InTheValley

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The whole "Spectrum" Fight/race BS is all hype, there are soooooooooooo many dam lights, companies, this and that, blah blah blah, when it all comes down to LIGHT, and intensity. You put enough lumEns in a fkn square, it will grow anything.

Just like, if you jam a light bar in your branches, you could actually grow bud on the lower levels under the canopy?
 
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chex1111

chex1111

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ttystikk said:
Word.

@The Hippy
I've seen plenty of larger LED grows here, you just have to look on the right subforum...

'LED and other lighting'

3lb/1000W is still less than 1.5 grams per watt, and people are pulling that from their COB LED and Quantum Board grows so regularly it's not even news anymore.

The only thing holding LED back from larger scale commercial operations is up front cost and even that's changing fast. Smarter commercial facilities are already starting to change over, aided by rebates from their power companies and the obvious running cost savings.

Spectrum King, Black Dog, Platinum and others are just rip-off artists, preying on those who don't know anything about the technology or what's now available.

RIU has some of the most advanced horticultural LED makers anywhere, just go look for them;
Horticulture Lighting Group
Johnson Grow Lights
Northern Grow Lights
Tasty LED
Timber
COB Kits
(and more, sorry if I missed a few!)

Many of the above will sell kits or complete fixtures, your choice.

LED is better, and it's only a matter of time before pricing comes down. Even the lights made by the companies listed above are affordable compared to Spectrum King, etc.

But some will live and die by their preconceptions, facts and becoming informed be damned. That part is up to you and you alone...
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What do you think of the Ceramic MH? I'm waiting for the 800 watt bulbs to come out.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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The Hippy said:
Not shilling for it but at the same time you ain't makin anything of that build quality in your tinker shop. I've seen home made units before...usually sitting at the side of the grow half burnt out.
If you grow at a certain level you haven't got time to rely on home made toys. Just like my HVAC guy doesn't buy his tools or supplies at home depot...lol
Why do you think they sell so many Gavita's....those are sold to serious players not homemade save me a few buck wizards.
Go look at some of the bigger well run grows...they ain't runnin home made. Professionals need professional equipment and don't have time to play " Red Green Games "
I always get a laugh at the guys who " oh you can make it cheaper " I got a few friends that are like that and they never owned a decent thing in their lives. Too fuckin cheap to actually buy a decent one...so they brag on about how they're effort saved them this and that. Sorry I've run businesses before...you want to make it work...buy the right shit. Like the guy who won't by a " real dehumidifer " and ends up with mold. Yup saved a few dollars there they did.
I knew a guy who made his own shirts because " they are much cheaper he said" yup and he looked like a fuckin goof too in his homemade button up shirts.
In this growing thing....you buy correct gear.....or wonder why it doesn't work at times.
For me reliability is how you make it productive.
Every grow that I've seen that cheaps out on equipment get what they asked for...inferior results and unnecessary struggle.
Like the guys who don't buy enough ventilation....good luck on consistency.
You wanna do it right...do it right.
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A fool and his money are soon departed.

You can order those parts and make one. Plenty of guys do and it works.

You say you've seen lights burnt out halfway through grows. Link one. Just one.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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chex1111 said:
What do you think of the Ceramic MH? I'm waiting for the 800 watt bulbs to come out.
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I like them. There's been an 860/1000W ceramic metal halide lamp out for quite some time now. I strongly recommend running it on a square wave ballast- assuming you can find one, of course.

Frankly, don't waste your time. LED is a better tech; less maintenance, far more efficient, no lamp replacements, better spectrum and not only are they cheaper over time in terms of all these savings, but they're fast approaching being cheaper up front as well.

If it's a light bulb, it's obsolete. Period.
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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InTheValley said:
The whole "Spectrum" Fight/race BS is all hype, there are soooooooooooo many dam lights, companies, this and that, blah blah blah, when it all comes down to LIGHT, and intensity. You put enough lumEns in a fkn square, it will grow anything.

Just like, if you jam a light bar in your branches, you could actually grow bud on the lower levels under the canopy?
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Lumens, are for humans. PAR is for plants. Time to update your out dated knowledge. Get reading :bigjoint:
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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Mute point dude, I know what PAR is. And even then, PAR just means wavelengths the plant uses. 4000k or 5000k it doenst matter, the PAR is there, regardless the K value. At the end of the day, Lumens is still light measurement of intensity. Whether ur eye see's it or not, its doesn't matter.

Oh, Yeah, PAR is over rated too, so file that under, HYPE BULLSHIT.
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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I can also tell you how PAR means shit, because I have a Mars300 with lenses, and its PAR value at 18 inches is 1400 PAR, but yet, my plants hate it, even at 36 inches.

I switch that out and replace it with my other Mars300 with 4000k with lenses, and it loves it. Noticeable change in 15 minutes time.

Why is that? Because 4000K LEDs have higher Lumen value, even with 125Watts.
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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These are 24 days from seed, 99% of the time, under 4000k, ( used Blurple for 15 mins )Flipping today 12/12
Oh, and PAR is 604 in the center, @ 26inches, but only 1,890 lumens sq with 125Watts
all are topped except for the top left plant, which is building its 9th node
 

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