afrawfraw
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WHAT!? Again, I don't dislike GODS, Science does. Because they have never been observed, and therefore can not be quantified. Is it perhaps you who are experiencing feelings of rejection?
PROOF that GOD Exists......
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afrawfraw
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I've posted my opinion on religion many times. I do not feel that people who participate in religion are stupid, or retarded. I feel that religion, from birth, corrupts a human beings' ability to rationalize their environment, because they have been told from birth that some things can't be explained, but instead of casting them aside as immaterial, should be accepted as facts until proven otherwise. Faulty logic does nobody any good. It just makes controlling those folks easier. My beef is with the shitty logic that religions breed.
eye exaggerate
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...alright, some of that is fair and I agree with. What we're 'meant' to be taught, if we'll listen, is that all things are connected. A scientifically bent individual should agree with this. The next train of thought goes like this: "if it is all connected, you could end up chasing your own tail if you're not careful". The reality is that all religions are based in psychology. The principles contained within them are meant to keep a person well. All of those stories and allegories are things that you will experience from one day to the next - written in a very old language. I think science advances the current language, while religions attempt to understand this old language. Oddly, if you can picture it, they are both looking into the unknown.
Now, the religious fanatics have yet to realize this state of mind
But I'm sure that 'religion' hopes they will.
afrawfraw
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I agree that religions, at least the later ones, like Christianity, Islam, Etc. are designed to take advantage of fear. Psychology must have been consulted, or observed, in order to do this. Back in the day, rulers had to control the population from turning on the ruling class. How do you do this when you're using them to death?...alright, some of that is fair and I agree with. What we're 'meant' to be taught, if we'll listen, is that all things are connected. A scientifically bent individual should agree with this. The next train of thought goes like this: "if it is all connected, you could end up chasing your own tail if you're not careful". The reality is that all religions are based in psychology. The principles contained within them are meant to keep a person well. All of those stories and allegories are things that you will experience from one day to the next - written in a very old language. I think science advances the current language, while religions attempt to understand this old language. Oddly, if you can picture it, they are both looking into the unknown.
Now, the religious fanatics have yet to realize this state of mind
The problem starts when better, more sound methods are discovered to nurture the people. I say, "Religions WERE meant to keep a person well." Well, most people. My issue is their isn't just "love thy neighbor" but rather, "Women Suck" and "If they don't believe what you believe, kill them all." The sad truth is, Religion is antiquated and we need to ditch it. Folks can feel just as powerful, good, and needed and wanted without religion.
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" --Denis Diderot
"The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers." -- Denis Diderot
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The earliest religions probably taught fear alongside its opposite. I imagine a psychedelic trip is a fair simulation of original or pristine religious thought. We sense the spirit-underlayer and perceive-or-deduce that it's tied into the material world's deep layers, and being humans we see power and consequence. So the step toward seeking activity, ritual, to propitiate the spirit and thus gain favor, advantage or at least an exemption from bad fortune in the mundane world ... seems intuitive to me. I ramble. cn
eye exaggerate
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...one thing is for sure. Not all of Jung's edifice crumbled...he said that the generations to come would want to move from faith to knowledge. I think religions said that too. Jung just might have been able to see its 'constellation' because of those writings.
afrawfraw
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One can hope.
eye exaggerate
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...one thing to mention about fear and the church using it to their advantage. What we've witnessed in history, if I may say so myself, was a corruption of the idea of using fear to one's advantage - the idea was to rid a person of their fears, initially. Keep in mind how socially complex the groupings of people were. Since they (the religions) knew about fusion in the sun (the cross as representative of 'union') after Christ the idea became to unify those groups. To borrow from the bear - it was also intuitive seeing how the sun is the most important thing to all of us. (in the really broad sense)
If religions wanted to see people with unified minds (as per Christ / fusion), it was because they would 'shine' out of 'darkness' and not be afraid.
That's my take.
afrawfraw
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You believe the churches had knowledge of fusion before scientists? Or did you mean son?
You have to understand the claims of these churches. They weren't claiming health. Or psychology. Your painting conversion as a tool of peace. Churches aim to build populations under THEIR faith. If they just wanted to unify the populations, why kill them?
As I bolster science and reason, my beliefs become evident, as do yours, when you try to bolster churches as beacons of peace and science. This is why I told you that even if we never discussed faith, we would still be able to deduce one's beliefs. Just as I could never accept the metaphysical, you can not accept the sin of religion itself.
eye exaggerate
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...you dance well for someone with poor balance
...and yes, they knew about fusion - you have to go and 'see' the symbolism for yourself. Problem is, later, when it was achieved in the material, there were some 'minor' kabooms afterward - and the ensuing 'fear' that they created.
afrawfraw
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I don't need balance. I have none. Poor would suppose I had any to begin with....you dance well for someone with poor balance
mari dont you wanna
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who cares? i have 200 billion dollars... do you believe me? didnt think so. dont believe in everything you hear. thats exactly what the people telling you this shit wants you to do
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Sorry. I got there first. Mmmmm blubber. cn
afrawfraw
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You make me laugh. I like you....you dance well for someone with poor balance
...and yes, they knew about fusion - you have to go and 'see' the symbolism for yourself. Problem is, later, when it was achieved in the material, there were some 'minor' kabooms afterward - and the ensuing 'fear' that they created.
Kaendar
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Albert Einstein said that science without the bible is blind and the bible without science is lame.