Schuylaars Sesh - Executive Order and Minimum Wage..

echelon1k1 said:

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Australia

Indices Difference
Consumer Prices in Australia are 45.84% higher than in United States
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Australia are 51.06% higher than in United States
Rent Prices in Australia are 62.91% higher than in United States
Restaurant Prices in Australia are 44.73% higher than in United States
Groceries Prices in Australia are 33.73% higher than in United States
Local Purchasing Power in Australia is 23.40% lower than in United States

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Did you look a little closer at what is in their "baskets" and how they collect that info?
Do you have a link to the Aussie Dept. of Statistics? That might be a better trove of info for this discussion.

I know how much this stuff is costing me. I agree with the numbers. Minimum wage does increase consumer prices, but government must play its part.

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If this 15 dollar an hour thing were to go through this year, I think I will raise my prices at the shop since I know a good many people are going to be getting a raise and will be able to afford a higher priced service, thus putting more coin in my families pocket.

Pretty sure everyone else who knows how to run their businesses will be doing the same thing.

Hence why you need to learn a skill or recieve some form of education if you want to be worth more, otherwise the system will just sort out the over paid burger flippers.

echelon1k1 said:

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Australia

Indices Difference
Consumer Prices in Australia are 45.84% higher than in United States
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Australia are 51.06% higher than in United States
Rent Prices in Australia are 62.91% higher than in United States
Restaurant Prices in Australia are 44.73% higher than in United States
Groceries Prices in Australia are 33.73% higher than in United States
Local Purchasing Power in Australia is 23.40% lower than in United States

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i somehow knew you were gonna bring that into it:

[h=1]The U.S. has a $7.25 minimum wage. Australia’s is $16.88[/h]

• [h=6]By Dylan Matthews[/h]

Minimum wage advocates love to point to Australia's $16.88 an hour minimum as evidence that a very high wage floor needn't stifle a country's growth. After all, Australia hasn't had a recession in 20 years. But Australia is hardly an outlier. Most developed countries have a higher minimum wage than we do, as this chart from Business Insider's Matthew Boesler — using data from the ConvergEx Group — shows:

This holds up if you compare the minimums to the median wage in the country in question, as the OECD did. Here's what they found:

The U.S., unsurprisingly, is on the bottom but it's tied with Japan. And Australia isn't on top; that goes to France, which has a lower average wage than Australia, which makes up for a lower minimum wage and leads to a higher ratio.

The Center for American Progress has proposed setting the minimum wage at half the average wage (mean, not median as used above) for production and non-supervisory workers; at the current level, that means a $10.07 minimum. If we were to adopt France's 60 percent ratio, that'd put us at about $12.08.
Of course, there are all kinds of pros and cons to that kind of increase. I went through many of them here. And it's worth noting that Australia's minimum wage comes with all kinds of exceptions, especially for younger workers.
Update: Another point, which Guan Yang reminded me of on Twitter - a large number of countries, including Denmark, Germany, Italy, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, and Switzerland, don't have minimum wages at all. Most of them make up for it with widespread collective bargaining, which sets de facto minimums.

spandy said:

If this 15 dollar an hour thing were to go through this year, I think I will raise my prices at the shop since I know a good many people are going to be getting a raise and will be able to afford a higher priced service, thus putting more coin in my families pocket.

Pretty sure everyone else who knows how to run their businesses will be doing the same thing.

Hence why you need to learn a skill or recieve some form of education if you want to be worth more, otherwise the system will just sort out the over paid burger flippers.

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try that and see how it works..i'll wage you'll lose business.

what you don't understand about minimum wage laws here is they're mostly a guide, and many employers pay "award" rates which, BY LAW have to be higher than minimum wage. Not one person here has raised that, probably because you're not familiar with how that works.

I'm really not one that believes the executive order power was intended for use in this type of situation. If it was done an impeachment would soon follow imo.

schuylaar said:

try that and see how it works..i'll wage you'll lose business.

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If ever one else within my industry is rasing prices, where exactly are these people gonna go without risking a lesser quality service based on the new market trends that will be inevitable with a minimum wage increase as drastic as you are toting?

I dont run a fucking walmart. I have hired a great deal of talent over the years, and if there is more money to be had I can assure you I will be after it for myself and for my employees, as will be every other business in this country. Its kinda how it works, in case you didn't know.

echelon1k1 said:

I know how much this stuff is costing me. I agree with the numbers. Minimum wage does increase consumer prices, but government must play its part.

United States	Australia	Difference
Restaurants	[Edit]	[Edit]
Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant	11.25 A$	17.00 A$	+51.06 %
Meal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course	50.64 A$	80.00 A$	+57.97 %
Combo Meal at McDonalds or Similar	6.75 A$	8.50 A$	+25.88 %
Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught)	3.94 A$	6.00 A$	+52.33 %
Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)	5.63 A$	7.50 A$	+33.29 %
Cappuccino (regular)	4.22 A$	4.00 A$	-5.22 %
Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle)	1.69 A$	3.00 A$	+77.71 %
Water (0.33 liter bottle)	1.41 A$	2.50 A$	+77.71 %
Markets	[Edit]	[Edit]
Milk (regular), (1 liter)	1.13 A$	1.50 A$	+33.29 %
Loaf of Fresh White Bread (500g)	2.48 A$	3.00 A$	+20.91 %
Rice (white), (1kg)	2.64 A$	3.00 A$	+13.43 %
Eggs (12)	2.25 A$	4.00 A$	+77.71 %
Local Cheese (1kg)	10.27 A$	10.00 A$	-2.64 %
Chicken Breasts (Boneless, Skinless), (1kg)	8.16 A$	11.00 A$	+34.70 %
Apples (1kg)	4.07 A$	4.00 A$	-1.78 %
Oranges (1kg)	3.72 A$	3.50 A$	-5.96 %
Tomato (1kg)	3.72 A$	5.00 A$	+34.35 %
Potato (1kg)	2.48 A$	3.00 A$	+20.91 %
Lettuce (1 head)	1.69 A$	2.50 A$	+48.10 %
Water (1.5 liter bottle)	1.99 A$	3.00 A$	+50.61 %
Bottle of Wine (Mid-Range)	13.50 A$	15.00 A$	+11.07 %
Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle)	2.25 A$	5.00 A$	+122.14 %
Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)	3.38 A$	5.00 A$	+48.10 %
Pack of Cigarettes (Marlboro)	6.75 A$	18.00 A$	+166.57 %
Transportation	[Edit]	[Edit]
One-way Ticket (Local Transport)	2.25 A$	4.00 A$	+77.71 %
Monthly Pass (Regular Price)	73.15 A$	120.00 A$	+64.04 %
Taxi Start (Normal Tariff)	3.38 A$	3.80 A$	+12.55 %
Taxi 1km (Normal Tariff)	1.69 A$	2.09 A$	+24.10 %
Taxi 1hour Waiting (Normal Tariff)	31.51 A$	48.45 A$	+53.75 %
Gasoline (1 liter)	1.10 A$	1.50 A$	+36.73 %
Volkswagen Golf 1.4 90 KW Trendline (Or Equivalent New Car)	22,508.00 A$	27,999.00 A$	+24.40 %
Utilities (Monthly)	[Edit]	[Edit]
Basic (Electricity, Heating, Water, Garbage) for 85m2 Apartment	180.06 A$	200.00 A$	+11.07 %
1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff Local (No Discounts or Plans)	0.14 A$	0.99 A$	+633.07 %
Internet (6 Mbps, Unlimited Data, Cable/ADSL)	50.64 A$	60.00 A$	+18.48 %
Sports And Leisure	[Edit]	[Edit]
Fitness Club, Monthly Fee for 1 Adult	45.02 A$	69.00 A$	+53.28 %
Tennis Court Rent (1 Hour on Weekend)	22.51 A$	20.00 A$	-11.14 %
Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat	11.25 A$	17.00 A$	+51.06 %
Clothing And Shoes	[Edit]	[Edit]
1 Pair of Jeans (Levis 501 Or Similar)	45.02 A$	100.00 A$	+122.14 %
1 Summer Dress in a Chain Store (Zara, H&M, ...)	39.39 A$	75.00 A$	+90.41 %
1 Pair of Nike Shoes	84.40 A$	150.00 A$	+77.71 %
1 Pair of Men Leather Shoes	90.03 A$	139.17 A$	+54.57 %
Rent Per Month	[Edit]	[Edit]
Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre	1,069.13 A$	1,800.00 A$	+68.36 %
Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre	813.10 A$	1,400.00 A$	+72.18 %
Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre	1,800.64 A$	3,000.00 A$	+66.61 %
Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre	1,350.48 A$	2,000.00 A$	+48.10 %
Buy Apartment Price	[Edit]	[Edit]
Price per Square Meter to Buy Apartment in City Centre	2,059.33 A$	8,000.00 A$	+288.48 %
Price per Square Meter to Buy Apartment Outside of Centre	1,429.42 A$	5,000.00 A$	+249.79 %
Salaries And Financing	[Edit]	[Edit]
Average Monthly Disposable Salary (After Tax)	3,623.79 A$	4,193.20 A$	+15.71 %
Mortgage Interest Rate in Percentages (%), Yearly	4.00	6.00	+50.00 %
Last update	January, 2014	January, 2014
Contributors (past 18 months)	6896	1768
Currency: AUD

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what the hell?..uh uh..nikes here are $190...rent for a 3 bedroom outside of city $1800. at least.. this is sofla.

schuylaar said:

what the hell?..uh uh..nikes here are $190...rent for a 3 bedroom outside of city $1800. at least.. this is sofla.

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Then maybe your state government should address that issue. Rent here for the same is 800-1200 depending on how many acres you want with it. And 15 dollar an hour minimum across the boards would crush damn near every small business in town. A dollar is worth more here, we would like to keep it that way.

echelon1k1 said:

what you don't understand about minimum wage laws here is they're mostly a guide, and many employers pay "award" rates which, BY LAW have to be higher than minimum wage. Not one person here has raised that, probably because you're not familiar with how that works.

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if someone pays more than minimum, we don't have a special name..they just "pay more"..i took the original percentages you posted and averaged them to be AUS 43.61% more costly based upon your numbers..so then AUS $16.88 and US $7.25 the difference being $9.63..then we take AUS 43.61% from $9.63 and that comes to $5.43 add that to $7.25 equals $12.68 which is what the US should move to.

$12.68 should be the US new minimum (estimated)

spandy said:

If ever one else within my industry is rasing prices, where exactly are these people gonna go without risking a lesser quality service based on the new market trends that will be inevitable with a minimum wage increase as drastic as you are toting?

I dont run a fucking walmart. I have hired a great deal of talent over the years, and if there is more money to be had I can assure you I will be after it for myself and for my employees, as will be every other business in this country. Its kinda how it works, in case you didn't know.

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just saying if you're increasing pricing to make up the difference in payroll..you may find yourself losing clients/customers..you're better to use the wait and see approach..

schuylaar said:

if someone pays more than minimum, we don't have a special name..they just "pay more"..i took the original percentages you posted and averaged them to be AUS 43.61% more costly based upon your numbers..so then AUS $16.88 and US $7.25 the difference being $9.63..then we take AUS 43.61% from $9.63 and that comes to $5.43 add that to $7.25 equals $12.68 which is what the US should move to.

$12.68 should be the US new minimum (estimated)

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we review and increase minimum wage yearly. Our annual increase is around two and a half points. We didn't start at $15 or $16. There are decent Americans running small businesses over there that would be adversely affected by a rapid increase in minimum wage. Consideration should be given to such businesses, individuals etc before jumping $5.43 hourly

spandy said:

And 15 dollar an hour minimum across the boards would crush damn near every small business in town.

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name one business that ever went under because they raised the min wage. just one.

echelon1k1 said:

we review and increase minimum wage yearly. Our annual increase is around two and a half points. We didn't start at $15 or $16. There are decent Americans running small businesses over there that would be adversely affected by a rapid increase in minimum wage. Consideration should be given to such businesses, individuals etc before jumping $5.43 hourly

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unfortunately, we don't review every year..we have scumbag lobbyists..we should actually be around $21 to keep up with inflation:

[h=1]Minimum Wage Would Be $21.72 If It Kept Pace With Increases In Productivity: Study[/h] The Huffington Post | By Caroline Fairchild Posted: 02/13/2013 6:34 pm EST | Updated: 02/15/2013 9:23 am EST










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President Obama's call to increase the federal minimum wage to $9 an hour was one of the more significant proposals he laid out in his State of the Union address Tuesday night. But $9 an hour is still a far cry from what workers really deserve, a 2012 study finds.

The minimum wage should have reached $21.72 an hour in 2012 if it kept up with increases in worker productivity, according to a March study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research. While advancements in technology have increased the amount of goods and services that can be produced in a set amount of time, wages have remained relatively flat, the study points out.

Even if the minimum wage kept up with inflation since it peaked in real value in the late 1960s, low-wage workers should be earning a minimum of $10.52 an hour, according to the study.

Between the end of World War II and the late 1960s, productivity and wages grew steadily. Since the minimum wage peaked in 1968, increases in productivity have outpaced the minimum wage growth.

The current minimum wage stands at $7.25 an hour. In 2011, more than 66 percent of Americans surveyed by the Public Religion Research Institute supported raising this figure to $10.

The last time the federal minimum wage increased was in 2009. Currently observed in 31 states, the federal minimum wage translates to an annual income of about $15,000 a year for someone working 40 hours per week.

You liberals confuse the hell out of me.

There is inflation, there isn't inflation. Big Mac index this, taxes that.

Was there a secret math class I missed?

see4 said:

So you acknowledge and support that Congress is stonewalling government progress. Good to know.

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I didn't complain when Democrats got in Bush's way and I didn't complain when Republicans got in Clinton's way. That's congress' right.

schuylaar said:

what the hell?..uh uh..nikes here are $190...rent for a 3 bedroom outside of city $1800. at least.. this is sofla.

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The super expensive Nikes cost that much. Your average pair of Nike shoes--the kind most people buy--retails for $70-100 in the United States. Florida and South Florida in particular have substantially higher rents than most of the United States, so it makes no sense to measure from that.

Of course, I should say that I think the minimum wage only makes sense if it reflects regional price differences. $10 an hour in a rural area goes substantially farther than $10 an hour in New York City. I would love to see the minimum wage reflect such price differences, but the people who benefit from the disproportionate value of their money and their representatives would certainly oppose such a move.

spandy said:

Then maybe your state government should address that issue. Rent here for the same is 800-1200 depending on how many acres you want with it. And 15 dollar an hour minimum across the boards would crush damn near every small business in town. A dollar is worth more here, we would like to keep it that way.

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where is here?