Sediment buildup.

brwnhornet

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Well i have had 3 harvests in 2 week succession. The stuff is awesome. I have people telling me they think it is G13, LOL. The shit is so sticky it is ridiculous. But i have had an ill turn of fate. I am battling spider mites. I first saw them Easter night. I have been heart broken. A lot is so close to being done i do not think i can use Azamax. Any suggestions?
Sadness.
 

surphin

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How close to harvest are you? I don't know how well Azamax works on spidermites, but you can you use it close to harvest time. Hotshot's No pest strips are supposed to work good on spidermites, but there is some discussion on weather the stuff is safe for indoor spaces. Either way I wouldn't use it if you're within a few weeks of harvest time.
 

brwnhornet

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Yes, i am 2 weeks away. The Azamax seems to have kicked the shit out of them. I applied in the res once and sprayed twice. All gone. Very impressive. Of course i am keeping a close eye out. I will be switching back and forth with foliar spraying using neem and Azamax. Every 10 days for the ones a month out or more. Heat has not been my friend of late either. I have been using many combined techniques to keep it at bay. Fun fun fun.
Another harvest 9 days and counting.
 

brwnhornet

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Yes it is. So i have elected to spray. It is much cheaper and so far very effective. I switch it up using neem every other week.
Quick question. What do you know about putting clones into flower at 12" height? I have seen pix of nothing but solid bud. Have you any idea? My plants are getting to big on average compared to tray constraints. It crowds them out to much for the middle and bottom to get much meat. It also leaves room for much debris which is very difficult to keep clean. I want to maximize the tray output. Any ideas?
 

surphin

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How big were they plants when put them into flower last time? Plants that grow solid colas of bud is more genetics than how big or small they were when flowered. what kinf of light are you vegging them under?
 

brwnhornet

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I just put a tray into flower at 18". These should work out better. The batch before that averaged 26"'s when i put them in 12/12. But the damn things grew to almost 36". If i had used better spacing and less plants this would have been fine. I have seen Pix of clones that were one solid cola and were only 12"'s at the end. I was wondering about that technique.
I Veg my clones under 600 Watt M/H lights.
I just want the best yield with the least mess. So i am still experimenting. Everything is healthy as shit.
 

surphin

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They probably just flowered a small clone that barely had any roots. I don't see the point in keeping plants that small unless you're flowering with t-5's or CF's. Under HID's that person lost out on a lot of final product, by keeping his plant so small.
 

brwnhornet

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Yes, but these buds were fucking huge! The whole plant was a solid Cola. I saw a pic in the Paper last year, where they busted an operation using this technique. Very impressive. I think staring 12/12 at 16"'s will help a lot with my crowding issue. What do you think?
 

surphin

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They may have been, but imagine how much bigger they would have gotten with a little veg time. Putting them in at that height should help if you were putting them in at 26" before.
 

brwnhornet

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I think that is the answer. It already looks right. If i was not keeping them so close the height issue would be non existent.
I forget. How tall do you start your 12/12 cycle at? And how close are you putting them together?
 

surphin

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I veg 'til they're about 10", then flower. But, mine stretch like crazy they wind up around 24" - 28". I try to create a good canopy, not packed to tight but not wasting any light either.
 

brwnhornet

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That is what i have been doing the last two cycles. It is so much easier to manage. I am having an incredible heat problem now. I am using a 12,000 btu portable. It is vented properly. the area cannot be more than 350 sq ft. It is insulated well. But the heat is running amok. I am at my wits end. Any suggestions?
 

surphin

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I need more details to your set-up, I.E. L x W x H of the room, # of lights, how many watts, vented or not, how is the A/C is vented, etc.
 

brwnhornet

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Two conjoining rooms shaped like an "L". Two 600 watt HPS in each room. The rooms are roughly 12x10 with sloping ceilings. The ceilings are 10' at the peak, but slope down steep. The ac is vented outside going straight up. the lights are not vented. I want to connect them. However one is a canopy reflector. Wish i had never gotten it. The rooms are insulated well on the sloped ceilings. But nothing on the sides. I have a 12,000 btu and an 8000 btu portable ac's set up. Both properly vented. Even with the lights off the rooms get very hot if the weather is hot. The reservoir's are getting into the 80's. I am starting to freeze 3/4 filled gallon jugs to help. I am using 4 oz's of 29% Hydrogen peroxide to kill off bacteria, every three days. I have three oscillating fans going at root level. I have turned off the T 5's because of heat build up until the problem is solved. I have heard about several different products that cut heat at the lights. Up to 20 degree difference, so i am told. I will look more into that possibility. I am not sure what to do next.
 

surphin

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Are the portable A/c's, window units and are they mounted in a window?

Fans going at root level, as in fans blowing air on the roots?

If the rooms heat up just from the sun and summer heat, you're undergunned with the amount of A/C you're running. Can the A/C keep the rooms comfortable during the day with no lights ever coming on?

You may wanna look into air cooling your lights. Of course you'll need to invest in new hoods and fan(s).
 

brwnhornet

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Th a/c's are stand alone portables. One is 12,000 btu, the other 7,000. They are both vented outside. No they are not window units.

Yes the fans are at the level of the roots. The tables are sitting on saw horses about 3' off the ground.

The lights are off during the day and the temp stays around 77-83 with the a/c on. It has been getting rather hot out of. At night when they come on is when it heats up.

The hoods on the lights can be connected. I would have to vent a pair of each outside. The fans are expensive. The can filter fan i have will handle one of the pairs. I have priced fans at around $200 that can move 400 cubic ft. I believe that was it.

Venting the hoods will be problematic being as some modifications would have to be done to the structure. Easier said than done.

I know the high heat is ruing my thc levels. I am pissed to say the least. They still produce amber beads when ready. I pick them when the amber is about 2/3's present under a microscope.
 

surphin

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I hate to say it, but you might have to consider shutting down during summer months. Venting the hoods outside will help a little, an exhaust vent for rooms as well would help more than venting the hoods themselves. To be honest I've never heard anything good about portable A/C's, even when vented correctly they just dont perform well. Also check out HTG supply for some cheap fan options.
 
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