SoG Grow Room Discussion

GypsyBush said:

WOW!

So your op is surrounded by 120F air? on all 4 sides?

YIKES!!! godd thing for insulation, EH?!?! lol...

Hey I wanted do ask you... are you familiar with the Ice Box?

http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product3.htm

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yep, I'm surrounded by easy 120 degrees by noon time
hence the extra room build and insulation project
I've seen the icebox, a must have for any exhausting op
I'd like to see something that cools down the main exhaust
rather than individual light tube, makes deploying this
very complicated for one running more than one set of lights

I am sure you know where to find an old radiator..lol... and some sheetmetal...

I read on another forum that a dude in FL was using one per light on a 10 light op...

He ran the water from his swimming pool and had to watch the temps as it would get too cold in the room...

They say that if you have 60F water , you can shut off the AC...

Not sure of it's true, but still gotta help tone the AC down a bit...

sooo...

What do you think?

DIY with a big ass radiator?.. lol..

I don't need it in Alaska, but I would be ALL OVER making one of I was in the heat..lol...

GypsyBush said:

I am sure you know where to find an old radiator..lol... and some sheetmetal...

I read on another forum that a dude in FL was using one per light on a 10 light op...

He ran the water from his swimming pool and had to watch the temps as it would get too cold in the room...

They say that if you have 60F water , you can shut off the AC...

Not sure of it's true, but still gotta help tone the AC down a bit...

sooo...

What do you think?

DIY with a big ass radiator?.. lol..

I don't need it in Alaska, but I would be ALL OVER making one of I was in the heat..lol...

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lol
Hmm... let me get this straight, you want to see me to build or grow
I've been rethinking parts of my room design
now that i ended up building a whole room around
exhausting been troubling me for a while now,
I'm trying to come up with a solution that satisfies me
was thinking of using the plumbing air tubes in the attic
to send the hot air down the sower
another idea was to spiral the heat around the attic
enclosed in insulated tubes, and just keep pausing it around the attic
with fast air movement, by the time it will exit it should be cooled down
or i can simply just exhaust to the attic since its already piping hot anyways
I'm not comfortable yet,
i wish they had an icebox for the main line, who'd solve my problems

as for the pool temps, been trying so hard to get the pool to worm up so it can be used
i jumped in at 68 almost had a hart attack, its pointless to own a pool and have the water so cold

68F ?!?!?! HOLY CRAP MAN...That's some nice water...

At best I see those as AIR temperatures... I think you'd be hard pressed to find water warmer than 40F in AL...lol..

68 is like .. warm bath water.. it doesn't even HURT...lol..

But I hear you.. I'm just making a scene..lol..

As for your exhaust situation...

I would really really think about this for a moment...

The actual ice boxes sell for $150... not bad considering...

But, all it is, is a radiator with a baffle to guide air over it..

Someone as invested in your op as you are oughta at least consider the idea...

A small car radiator, maybe even a big motorcycle radiator... and I am sure you know, but when they are new, they are all shinny and new and shit... so I am not suggesting you bring an old oily tractor part in to the op, although I probably would..lol...

Now, some sheet metal with some pop rivets and you could easily manage a duct over it...

Holy cooling ideas SOG!!!

Can you imagine if you could cool the exhaust enough to actually lower the temps in your attic???

How much cooling costs would lower...

Well, what do I know?

I got the hokiest, improvised, ill planned set up of everyone I know....

And I'm here pretending to be giving you advice...lol..

Fucking Gypsies..lol...

But really I have been thinking about that icebox, and it makes so much sense in my head...

A res downstairs in a cool place may not even need a chiller...

i hear you Gypsy, it should be a very easy thing to build
one can buy some cooper piping and build a neat layered mesh
tap it to the chiller and run it through the exhaust tube
your right, the ice box is a very simple concept

now that you brought this up,
I've seen some DIY redneck pool heaters design,
hmm... that might work perfectly reversed for this purpose
check this out ...

Holy Macro!

That would make a mean jazz horn!!!! lol...

I like that!!!

Man... you know it...

I would be itching right now... hell I am and I have no use for the thing...lol..

But I can most certainly see it...coll off the attic around the op and dump the heat in the pool...

I'd still go with a radiator... those little fins work wonders....

But yeah!

Sooo.. you gonna do it?...lol..

GypsyBush said:

Holy Macro!

That would make a mean jazz horn!!!! lol...

I like that!!!

Man... you know it...

I would be itching right now... hell I am and I have no use for the thing...lol..

But I can most certainly see it...coll off the attic around the op and dump the heat in the pool...

I'd still go with a radiator... those little fins work wonders....

But yeah!

Sooo.. you gonna do it?...lol..

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this is by far the best idea I've come across so far,
you pushed the right buttons, thank you bra
fins work great in a narrow design to allow more of surface area when the air passes through
imagine a rectangle shape, i can even go up to two feet long x foot high
allowing up to two feet of cool surface area as the air passes trough on the main
exhausting this 12" in diam directly to the attic,
moving the hot attic air around
this can possibly cool the whole attic along the way

sense your got your room built, why not go totally sealed? just run a mini split a/c?

the pool thing sounds like it would be hard.

sparat1k said:

sense your got your room built, why not go totally sealed? just run a mini split a/c?

the pool thing sounds like it would be hard.

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i was thinking of maybe revamping my design a bit
and control the entire room temps from outside the tents
instead of inside each individual tent, i have two 14k BTU portable units at hand

sparat1k said:

sense your got your room built, why not go totally sealed? just run a mini split a/c?

the pool thing sounds like it would be hard.

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I agree that the heat exchanger idea is not the simplest to implement...

But when you consider that you may be able to reduce the AC usage by running a small water pump, one must stop and ponder...

SOG those AC units are about 1k watts each right? I imagine the less they run, the happier you will be...

And a sealed would greatly benefit from this technology...

I think...lol..

GypsyBush said:

I agree that the heat exchanger idea is not the simplest to implement...

But when you consider that you may be able to reduce the AC usage by running a small water pump, one must stop and ponder...

SOG those AC units are about 1k watts each right? I imagine the less they run, the happier you will be...

And a sealed would greatly benefit from this technology...

I think...lol..

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forget the pool,you guys are not looking at it right; it is simple!
been brain storming this idea for couple hours,
the more i think of it, it seems very logical and the best solution by far!
here is what I'm thinking of-
a construction similar to the DIY redneck pool heater
I'm only talking about the manifold cooper portion of it
built a simple 12" tube from a 24" square sheet of metal
plant this in the middle rivet and seal the seem,
with in and out for the water circulation sticking out of the tube,
tap the ends into a chiller and a res setup with a pump
install the monster inline on the main exhaust line,
exhausting directly into the attic!
this can potentially reduce my attics temp dramatically,
and help keeping the house cooler in the summer
and as an added value, the heat exchanger can be turned off during the winter
to help with heating the house

Oh I agree...

I just also couldn't disagree with post above... plugging in the AC is easier...lol..

Do you really think that the "jazz horn" can work as efficiently as a radiator?

I like fins I guess...lol...

GypsyBush said:

Oh I agree...

I just also couldn't disagree with post above... plugging in the AC is easier...lol..

Do you really think that the "jazz horn" can work as efficiently as a radiator?

I like fins I guess...lol...

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i believe it will work much better,
as we are not constricted to narrow space design
we can have anywhere from a foot long to two feet or even three feet long
if needed more cooling surface for the air to be cooled against
lets do the math, passing along a 2 inch finned surface
or passing along a two / three feet of cooled almost freezing tube
which air will be cooler on the other side?
this is to be placed on the main exhaust line, at the closest point of leaving the room
not for the individual exhaust lines coming out of the cool tubes

I hear you on the narrow vs not...

But I was just thinking that when you have the fine grid created by the fins, you are allowing less air to go by without it's "molecules" touching the heat exchanger...

Hundreds of small channels seem, in my opinion, to distribute the air a little better...

I am just afraid that the bigger gaps between your pipes will hurt it's performance...

I promise to stop arguing with you, but how about 2 or more radiators, in series, or inline, back to back...

We could have it be as deep as needed, and you could regulate temps by adding or removing radiators... for Winter/Summer times...

Now..

You are way smarter than I am, and I am just tickled pink that I could help... shit as much help as you have given me, it makes me feel a little better...lol...

So OBVIOUSLY go with what you know... but even if it works, I believe I will still think that the radiator would be more efficient...

Fucking Gypsies... so stubborn...lol....

i cant sleep, this is keeping me up
someone bounce this with me, lets tackle this the other way around
assume a 12" in diam main exhaust line (this is not for individual tube cooling)
here is what I'm thinking

Y split the end of a 12" exhaust line into 2 x 6"
then Y split each again into 2 x 3", all in Semi-Rigid Flexible Aluminum Ducting
spiral the 4 x 3" portion of the exhaust line through a large chilled water res
something like the mandatory blue/green large recycle bins we all have outside
y split back up to 12" on the other side of the res, and out to the attic
instead of making it run through a finned radiator, we go the other way around
any thoughts guys?

condensation much?

ok.. I'm up still, it's only midnight here..lol.

So you are thinking of running multiple, small diameter ducts, through the water, like a tunnel??

I am not sure.. I have to think about it for a sec...

I am not sure it would cool it enough... then there's leaks

But this is one of those situations where I have no basis to say anything...

I have never tried to cool air that way...

It would be an interesting experiment, but it would suck if it didn't work that well... the time and parts invested...

I just don't have enough knowledge of the properties of air to be able to judge how fast it will cool under what conditions..

But I do know that radiators keep most of the engines in the world cool... and there is very little chance of failure when you choose a proven design.. the whole standing on the shoulders of giants thing...

I vote for you implementing existing technology to your op, rather than try to develop new technology...

Dude, I swear that I wrote this post 4 times...

And every time I started on the radiators again..

So I finally decided to go with it... cause it is how I feel.. but I did hear you say you want to go a different route.. I am just being a prick...lol...

Sorry...lol..

I just can't see anything being more efficient...

I wish I was a little bit smarter...lol...

LoudBlunts said:

condensation much?

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i was thinking of a collection pan with drain at the bottom

GypsyBush said:

It would be an interesting experiment, but it would suck if it didn't work that well... the time and parts invested...

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time invested will go to waist if it didn't work,
parts are all returnable to home depot with purchase receipt
with the exception of the duct tape
2 x 12x6x6 Y split (returnable)
2 x 6x3x3 Y split (returnable)
8 x 3"x8' flex alum ducting (dry & return)
1 x large recycle bin (returnable)
1 x 1/4 hp water chiller (will be used in the design)

there's also a way to force the air flowing inside the tube
to be spiraled toward the outside walls with an internal round fin cut

Well, a heat exchangers efficiency is directly related to it's exposed surface area right?