Superthrive debate...

chuck estevez said:
show me where b vitamins and thiamine additives are essential or even help with growing weed, you do everything wrong, why would i want to grow like you?
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I already did, it is in your data.

Vitamin B-1 (thiamine) is an important component of tissue culture media, in which isolated plant tissues
can be propagated. Its use for stimulating root growth in whole plants is not supported in the literature
and one study reported that root growth was greater in the control treatment (water) than with thiamine.
Plants in the field manufacture their own source of thiamine and it is therefore unnecessary to add any
additional levels. Many fungi and bacteria associated with plant roots also produce thiamine, so it’s
likely that healthy soils will contain adequate levels of this vitamin without amendment.
Why does the mystique of vitamin B-1 transplant tonics still persist after decades of scientific debunking?

The Bottom Line
• Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on
plants outside the laboratory
• A nitrogen fertilizer is adequate for transplanting landscape plants; avoid use of “transplant
fertilizers” that contain phosphate
• Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply
• Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well
• Difficult-to-transplant species may be aided by application of auxin-containing products in
addition to nitrogen, but read the label and don’t add unnecessary and potentially harmful
chemicals (this includes organics!)
• Adequate soil moisture is crucial for new root growth; be sure to irrigate new transplants
frequently and use mulch to reduce evaporation
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chuck estevez said:
there is actual scientific evidence in my favor in this thread, the guys with experience know, But you donkeys just don't want to hear you got jacked by buying this crap.
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Chuck....you are not a scientist and I guarantee that you were never taught to read actual scientific reports. Time to go fishing Chuck or take some more photos of bikes or atvs or tits. See ya Chuck. Dr. Chuck PHD. LMFAO. Tool.
 
i don't think cannabis NEED'S it but it sure dose not not need it :weed:











lol ill edit this for those to see i spelt does .. dose .. stoned lol .. but no excuse ..
 
GandalfdaGreen said:
Chuck....you are not a scientist and I guarantee that you were never taught to read actual scientific reports. Time to go fishing Chuck or take some more photos of bikes or atvs or tits. See ya Chuck. Dr. Chuck PHD. LMFAO. Tool.
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O.k Nerd. people get so mad when they find out they are dumb and have been falsely lead into buying something clearly on the hype of the label. Maybe someday you will quit being a donkey and READ what a scientist wrote, i thought that is what nerds do???
 
By the looks of you I'm surprised you can read. Bye Chucky. Im done wasting my time with you. I'm off to nail that chick on the boat. Even though she's a bit big for my likes.
 
Even if you are scientificaly correct about a subject, it does not give you the right to name call and be an arsehole man. Chill out and smoke some herb brother, no reason to be a dick. You can't change his mind by yelling your opinions at them, just doesn't work. It actually turns someone off to your insight, so try a friendlier approach bro! Good luck, Good grow, Be safe, :peace: out.
 
"shes says shes doubling her yields" yeah ever figure their not talking about weed the guy at mine said you can produce some pounders with this stuff" think he talking about weed..probably not.

Chuck has the upper hand on this he does have science where as the the other is opinion kind of like here the %99 proof of evolution and yet people still believing in imaginary friends called "Gods".

Science is science you cant go writing false articles it doesn't work that way nobody needs to be trained or taught in anyway how to read a scientific article other then a basic reading skill.
 
Relax guys its understandable he was posting non aggressive comments with good information until doofus said fuck off
 
Not true, there are a bunch of scientifically proven instances where its all bullshit. think about the food you eat. scientifically its horrible for you yet it takes more than a basic reading skill to know that.
Tokindaily37 said:
"shes says shes doubling her yields" yeah ever figure their not talking about weed the guy at mine said you can produce some pounders with this stuff" think he talking about weed..probably not.

Chuck has the upper hand on this he does have science where as the the other is opinion kind of like here the %99 proof of evolution and yet people still believing in imaginary friends called "Gods".

Science is science you cant go writing false articles it doesn't work that way nobody needs to be trained or taught in anyway how to read a scientific article other then a basic reading skill.
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What about the rest of the properties in the bottle?
I have heard about Vitamin B1 only, 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid is in the bottle too.
They account for less than 1%. Has anyone got any hard data on the other 99%? Water maybe?


NAA is a synthetic plant hormone in the auxin family and is an ingredient in many commercial plant rooting horticultural products;
it is a rooting agent and used for the vegetative propagation of plants from stem and leaf cutting. It is also used for plant tissue culture.

The hormone NAA does not occur naturally. In the United States, under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA),
products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides.

(Which is why ST is illegal in those certain states most likely.)

NAA is widely used in agriculture for various purposes. It is considered to be only slightly toxic but when at higher concentrations it can be toxic to animals.
This was shown when tested on rats via oral ingestion at 1000-5900 mg/kg. NAA has been shown to greatly increase cellulose
fiber formation in plants when paired with another phytohormone called gibberellic acid. (HEY! I've heard of that!) Because it is in
the auxin family it has also been understood to prevent premature dropping and thinning of fruits from stems. It is applied after blossom fertilization.
Increased amounts of it can actually have negative effects however, and cause growth inhibition to the development of plant crops.
It has been used on many different crops like apples, olives, oranges, potatoes, and various other hanging fruits. In order for it to
obtain its desired effects it must be applied in concentrations ranging from 20-100 ug/mL. In micro propagation of various plants,
NAA is typically added to a media containing nutrients essential to the plants survival. It is added to help induce root formation in various plant types.
It can also be applied by spraying it on to plants and which is typical in agricultural use. It is prohibited in many areas to use it in high concentrations due to the health concerns towards humans and other animals.


So how about another piece of data? Anyone? The more you know.....

As for being ripped off, they sell the stuff everywhere for 10 bucks.
Not really breaking the bank. Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. Not just some dope at the hydro store.

The Brain hit it dead on, it doesn't help healthy plants. Chuck said he never has unhealthy plants.
Congrats dude, wish I knew your secret (K.I.S.S.). The rest of us do have unhealthy plants from time to time.
I like to think of any kind of gardening to be trial and error. If you find something that works for you,
continue to do it. If it's a hassle and you're not getting results you change it up. This really is not rocket science here.
Plants can be like your kids, you feed them right, talk to them and take care of them and they will reward you.
There are going to be scuffed knees and maybe some broken bones along the way, but ultimately the reward
outweighs the risk involved. Ever try and feed your kids brussel sprouts or rice cakes? Kids don't like that shit!
They will tell you vocally, your plants act the same way they're screaming at you but you can't hear them.

Anyway this is going on far too long.

Chuck, stop screaming your opinions at everyone as if they were from God himself.
Attract more flies with honey than vinegar....

In closing,DU-DWYL_1-500x500.jpg!



-dolamic
 
Is this debate still going on?

Superthrive = Super Jive.

They're just plants, there is no magic involved... deal with it.
 
Yes Chuck can be an asshole... don't think that's in dispute at all...

doesnt make him wrong....

I would say.... maybe use Superthrive if you are an experienced grower or if you feel the benefits may outweigh the risks.
I know I didnt believe it was crap till I spent the $12 and saw my plants die in front of me (i used one drop..in one gallon of spring water, once during veg)

I commend the people that use it successfully...good for you!
but... most of us are looking for organic grows...
Superthrive negates that..... so there is that...
unless you want some Monsantoijuana.....
 
SeeRockCity said:
Yes Chuck can be an asshole... don't think that's in dispute at all...

doesnt make him wrong....

I would say.... maybe use Superthrive if you are an experienced grower or if you feel the benefits may outweigh the risks.
I know I didnt believe it was crap till I spent the $12 and saw my plants die in front of me (i used one drop..in one gallon of spring water, once during veg)

I commend the people that use it successfully...good for you!
but... most of us are looking for organic grows...
Superthrive negates that..... so there is that...
unless you want some Monsantoijuana.....
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If asking for a debate and giving one, then being told to fuck off is being an asshole, then YES, I am an asshole. I only defended my position, with evidence, not name calling and going thru people's photobucket accounts and talking shit because they have no leg to stand on.
 
chuck estevez said:
anyone who thinks it does anything is fooling themselves, read up

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

just reading the label should make you feel ripped off.
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Hi Chuck,

The product in question here SuperThrive, itself has NAA which is scientifically proven to help with root (lateral) growth. The link to the PDF is about B-1 added to any product and it's role in plant health. Which I agree is disputed, not the auxin NAA which is scientifically proven.

Naphthylacetic acid (NAA) is also a commonly used auxin and often the active ingredient in commercial
preparations. NAA tends to be toxic to seedling root development, as it inhibits primary root growth and
enhances lateral root growth. This latter activity may account for NAA’s success in regenerating roots of
transplanted and root-pruned trees. Like IBA, NAA apparently suppresses crown growth, which also may
redirect resources to the roots.

I think perhaps marketing is involved, people know the health benefits of B1 in their diet natural assumption good for plant too, easy sell. Who's going by an auxin NAA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superthrive

So I think there is some confusion because the researcher is not saying Superthrive with NAA in it is not beneficial but that B1 is? Superthrive is not the only product claiming to have B1 to support plant health.
 
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