The CORRECT homemade TERPINATOR/RESINATOR formula!

Skybound420

Skybound420

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I use Agri Sil too and it has more K than Si, it's good stuff! IMO, it's less influential on PH than what GH has mixed in Armor Si. It's still an UP, I just don't have to DOWN as much to offset it. Easier to work with than GH.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Chunky Stool said:
I've had good results with liquid silica and use it often to raise PH in my nute mixes.
Our geraniums live much longer when they get regular doses of liquid silica, often into December -- and still look good! (We pull them when they wilt.)
That didn't happen before I started using the silica. We were lucky of they looked decent through Halloween.
Also much less harmful insect activity.

I will concede that there are other obvious factors at play, like PH change and increased K from the silica.

It's also possible to add silica to organic soil mixes. I recently used one that was made from volcanic dust and will see if I can find it for a pic.
Seemed to work well, but I didn't do side-by-side tests or anything... :leaf::dunce::leaf:
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Bet you dimes to dollars you don't have the (technically) geranium your thinking of.
By the book...A geranium is a genus of 422 species. Commonly called "Cranesbills."

Your thinking of the common bedding plants from the genus Pelargonium.
While both are in the family Geraniaceae. They have been split into 2 differing Genus's since the late 1700's....

Now what you call Geraniums (Pelargoniums) come from a low Si soil (for the most part) in the wild. I'll bet it likes a higher available Si but, I have not studied this genus in any earnest.
However, I remember a paper about how the long term exposure to elevated Co2 effects plants and disease's they may have. They use Pelargonium strains in this work.
They are easy to work with and provided some interesting results...

While it is still being debated what effect elevated Co2 will have on plants long term. It is being found that some infections are effected and these effect the plant.

PM will initially be inhibited but, over time the plant decreases it's ability to fend PM off at Percentage wise, less then non gassed plants. In any effected leaf, reductions in the amount of photosynthesis the leaf can do is alarming. And yes, this is over and above any reduction already from the infection...

These studies are for the increasing Co2 levels and it's to see just what we maybe in for down the road.
While this will not effect us in our lifetime. It's clear this will be an issue not to far away


At any rate. Different plant family and way different genus....

Still stand by cannabis grown in a good quality soil not benefiting from increased Si availability.
 
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PoliticalSlim

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Hello Dr. Who,

Thank you so much for all the wonderful information on here, I’m going to read more of your threads. This may be a silly question; but why does the solution not have any type of aroma like the Terpinator? Not that I think it’s the aroma that affects the smell and flavor of the final product, but are there some key ingredients that may still be missing?
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Dr. Who said:
Bet you dimes to dollars you don't have the (technically) geranium your thinking of.
By the book...A geranium is a genus of 422 species. Commonly called "Cranesbills."

Your thinking of the common bedding plants from the genus Pelargonium.
While both are in the family Geraniaceae. They have been split into 2 differing Genus's since the late 1700's....

Now what you call Geraniums (Pelargoniums) come from a low Si soil (for the most part) in the wild. I'll bet it likes a higher available Si but, I have not studied this genus in any earnest.
However, I remember a paper about how the long term exposure to elevated Co2 effects plants and disease's they may have. They use Pelargonium strains in this work.
They are easy to work with and provided some interesting results...

While it is still being debated what effect elevated Co2 will have on plants long term. It is being found that some infections are effected and these effect the plant.

PM will initially be inhibited but, over time the plant decreases it's ability to fend PM off at Percentage wise, less then non gassed plants. In any effected leaf, reductions in the amount of photosynthesis the leaf can do is alarming. And yes, this is over and above any reduction already from the infection...

These studies are for the increasing Co2 levels and it's to see just what we maybe in for down the road.
While this will not effect us in our lifetime. It's clear this will be an issue not to far away


At any rate. Different plant family and way different genus....

Still stand by cannabis grown in a good quality soil not benefiting from increased Si availability.
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You should you quotes when you paraphrase sporadically.
 
oldbeancounter

oldbeancounter

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Dr. Who said:
Sulfur is an antibiotic.

The forms of sulfur used matter greatly in how it effects soils. The form of S in Molasses is not natural! It contains no S naturally. Sulfur Dioxide is used to lighten or "bleach" molasses for other uses. This adds a very bitter nasty taste to molasses. So, it's on the bottle to tell you that it's not nasty tasting...... What happens when you mix sulfur dioxide and moisture? You get sulfuric acid... This tends to kill plants pretty good.

First thing to point out is that you asked about ACT or AACT to be precise. Never add sulfur compounds or kelp meals to AACT for making simple active bio teas. Each reduce the living bio counts by large amounts. kelp meal can reduce by 40 - 45%.... I would expect about the same or even more so for sulfur... Depends on concentration.

The sulfur in my mix's is in the form of a sulfate.
The Terp mix when done to my specs.... Is about 1.8% sulfate
The Mg sulfate mix is about...................................1.9% sulfate

The use of a sulfate in any growing is due to the ability of the sulfate to be water soluble. (NEVER try using a Ca sulfate as it is not water soluble) The other thing being with K or Mg sulfates is that actual chloride's are removed from the compounds mix. It's use with growing in containers actually reduces chloride build ups and blocks the effects of chloride's in the media it's self.

At any rate. The amounts applied in my formula's remain well below any threshold of soil bio damage.....

To the organic gardener. The use of Langbeinite and Leonite are S sources. Some High Carb grass's also will supply S....And of course we have animal dungs and any composting material will impart some S to soil... Not to mention my loved Gypsum adds in S to all soils....Even minute amounts of S from the air are absorbed by soil.

I use organic sourced dry chemicals.

FYI. The role of S in plant growth and regulation is so great. Every cpl of years when those that discuss such things get together. One of the most debated topics is making S a MACRO nutrient. Yup, right along with N - P - K......It will not surprise me if in some years.....All things "nutrient" begin to be N-P-K-S
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I wondered how much sulfur is in composted cow manure...also incest frass if any?
Great formula you posted, thanks
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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oldbeancounter said:
I wondered how much sulfur is in composted cow manure...also incest frass if any?
Great formula you posted, thanks
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Sulfur content of any composted animal poop. Is going to be directly related to the food content of what they eat.....
The insect frass. Very little, very little.
 
biosphere5

biosphere5

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Hello Dr who n crew. New to RIU.
From down under, deep south, fucking freezing right now but i digress.
Love your posts and info, as it surpasses most folk so i'll make this as short as possible.
Currently :
- C-rtw/dtw, tap water @0.1EC x 6 fertigations p/d, @1.6EC till day 35 from flip then 2.2EC then just sugars and bio activators till trics turn, then ph water till chop @48H darkness no flush
- synth dry G npk @312 & ts
- synth dry B npk @112 & ts
- org biostims potassium humate, Ascophyllum nodosum (tasman BK), Yucca schidigera, Fish hydrolysate,
Soy protien isolate, IronSulfate, Magnesium sulfate, Saccharides.
- agricultural grade liquid/gel silica made by grant low - met-tek, ie integral hydroponics edition 1-4
0.0.20 as K2O, 31 % SiO2 (14.95% Si), 14.1% (PAS) @66 ppm K and 59.8 ppm till week 4
-Your solution @ week 4 as directed.
-Stress syme bennies

We got some dodgy DBS round this joint aye. My local reads 98% sugar and 98% carbs, others are 1-4%. Mate its all over the fucken place.
Whats the carb % is yours roughly?
Should i just make my own from UBM and processed white?
You reckon i should throw some MKP into my lineup along with your solution after potash?
Too much myth/misinformation reguarding P so id love some info straight from docs mouth.
Im on the pretty low end of it throughout, Down here, Rock resinator is 0-8-9 so im not sure if it changed after it was pulled from shelves or if its diff here (where its originated).
Im thinking of adding Bacillus subtilis GB03. Whats your thoughts on the colonys effect on the rhizosphere and the claims it Quickly colonizes roots with beneficial plant growth-promoting rhizobacteria PGPRs.
Worth it in coco?
Other than that, anything your would omit or add to my line? or anything else good bad and/or ugly. I can take it. pushing 40 myself and feeling it.
Mate have a great week and thanks for the info. Love your style
 
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SmichiganOG

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Dr. Who said:
I had posted this before. I made a mistake and THANKS TO MisterBlah getting me looking at where I went wrong and giving actual volumetric math vs. farm charts and misread labels!

I gave you a "sweet raw" formula that costs about a dollar a gallon and works GREAT!

NOW THIS!
Very simple actually

I figure that if you buy 5 lbs of K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate) off Amazon -

https://www.amazon.com/Potassium-Sulfate-Potash-Organic-Pounds/dp/B00L225EXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468941355&sr=8-1&keywords=potassium+sulfate

that will make you OVER 6 gallons of the formula (Adding the powder to the gallon of water will increase the total volume of the solution!). Then you spend what you would need to buy the amount of dark brown sugar to do the same.

The cost per gallon would be LESS then $4.00 a gallon to make it!
The others cost $68 a gallon and $158 for 5L!

Here I had my farm math. I used a formula to make a 300ppm application solution for 1000 gallons and forgot to multiply the answer by a factor of 28(grams) to back it to a 10% solution. What I posted was the application rate of 300ppm and NOT a 10% concentration! (Thanks again to MisterBlah!)

SO then 378.5 grams (volumetric math) of that Potassium sulfate powder from Amazon into 1 gallon of water for the 10% solution.
Add the 1.5 tsp of Dark brown Sugar for the carbs. Mix well till everything is dissolved and jug it! (With my old farm math method, and application charts I got 380 grams [correction]- a simple gain of 1.5 grams from formula shifts over the 1000 gallon conversion in the Greenhouse guide chart)



FEED CHART
(DO NOT mix with Silica - this causes a chemical reaction - precipitation)

STARTING Week 3&4 !
4-ml in 1 gallon of your feed

At week 5&6
6-ml in 1 gallon of your feed

At week 7 till harvest
8-ml in 1 gallon of your feed


I researched the "Rock Resinator" and the "Terpinator" formula's and they use an 8% solution and a 4 % solution respectively!

I formulated a 10% solution to be better effective faster. I used both products feed charts and normal feeding values of "K" to come up with the feed chart I gave you.
FOLLOW IT! NO increasing and you'll be safe and happy with the results!

This should make your lemon taste stronger or deeper, along with the smell!

This formula will increase the trich and terp production just like the Mg Sulfate formula BUT, will give everything a rather citrus smell and taste - more "lemony" for the most part.

Changes the taste and smell of any Berry or sour strain to more lemony/citrusy or fuel like..

Good luck and THANKS AGAIN to @MisterBlah
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So feed this weekly?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
biosphere5 said:
Hello Dr who n crew. New to RIU.
From down under, deep south, fucking freezing right now but i digress.
Love your posts and info, as it surpasses most folk so i'll make this as short as possible.
Currently :
- C-rtw/dtw, tap water @0.1EC x 6 fertigations p/d, @1.6EC till day 35 from flip then 2.2EC then just sugars and bio activators till trics turn, then ph water till chop @48H darkness no flush
- synth dry G npk @312 & ts
- synth dry B npk @112 & ts
- org biostims potassium humate, Ascophyllum nodosum (tasman BK), Yucca schidigera, Fish hydrolysate,
Soy protien isolate, IronSulfate, Magnesium sulfate, Saccharides.
- agricultural grade liquid/gel silica made by grant low - met-tek, ie integral hydroponics edition 1-4
0.0.20 as K2O, 31 % SiO2 (14.95% Si), 14.1% (PAS) @66 ppm K and 59.8 ppm till week 4
-Your solution @ week 4 as directed.
-Stress syme bennies

We got some dodgy DBS round this joint aye. My local reads 98% sugar and 98% carbs, others are 1-4%. Mate its all over the fucken place.
Whats the carb % is yours roughly?
Should i just make my own from UBM and processed white?
You reckon i should throw some MKP into my lineup along with your solution after potash?
Too much myth/misinformation reguarding P so id love some info straight from docs mouth.
Im on the pretty low end of it throughout, Down here, Rock resinator is 0-8-9 so im not sure if it changed after it was pulled from shelves or if its diff here (where its originated).
Im thinking of adding Bacillus subtilis GB03. Whats your thoughts on the colonys effect on the rhizosphere and the claims it Quickly colonizes roots with beneficial plant growth-promoting rhizobacteria PGPRs.
Worth it in coco?
Other than that, anything your would omit or add to my line? or anything else good bad and/or ugly. I can take it. pushing 40 myself and feeling it.
Mate have a great week and thanks for the info. Love your style
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Carb by volume %? < .3%

Watch your Fe in the soil by ppm and have it match or as close to the ppm of Mn that you can. Goal ppm is 100 of each.
Higher Fe is more CBD and equal to slightly more Mn is more THC...

The bene's in Coco are worth it.

Sorry I didn't see this earlier! Next time you want to directly ask me something......add an @ in front of my name - no space.
 
macsnax

macsnax

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Dr. Who said:
Carb by volume %? < .3%

Watch your Fe in the soil by ppm and have it match or as close to the ppm of Mn that you can. Goal ppm is 100 of each.
Higher Fe is more CBD and equal to slightly more Mn is more THC...

The bene's in Coco are worth it.

Sorry I didn't see this earlier! Next time you want to directly ask me something......add an @ in front of my name - no space.
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The bennies in coco are well worth it imo. I'm really happy with the micro life I have going on in coco...... I recently added enzymes that break down salt build up, eat dead root matter, etc. I add hydrogaurd for my res, urb and a carb, and the enzymes. What are your thoughts on the combo I have going? Is it too much? Do I have anything competing with anything else? My res is way cleaner and plants are happy as ever, lol.
 
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LinguaPeel

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PoliticalSlim said:
Hello Dr. Who,

Thank you so much for all the wonderful information on here, I’m going to read more of your threads. This may be a silly question; but why does the solution not have any type of aroma like the Terpinator? Not that I think it’s the aroma that affects the smell and flavor of the final product, but are there some key ingredients that may still be missing?
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Nute companies start with a stupid yet legitimate idea, like changing the mineral/starch/carb profile of your microbe feed to change the strain flavor, and then fuck it up completely to cover more retarded delusional growers. Turns out stupid mother fuckers are bigger business. They add the perfume so shit growers can soak it into the plant at harvest as a last ditch effort to fool themselves and their retard customers. This is why bottle weed sucks. Whatever people think they are doing they are actually fucking things up with bullshit.
 
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Greennner

Well-Known Member
Dr. Who said:
Carb by volume %? < .3%

Watch your Fe in the soil by ppm and have it match or as close to the ppm of Mn that you can. Goal ppm is 100 of each.
Higher Fe is more CBD and equal to slightly more Mn is more THC...

The bene's in Coco are worth it.

Sorry I didn't see this earlier! Next time you want to directly ask me something......add an @ in front of my name - no space.
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-I have epsom salt and i have k2s04 ,
Can i juse both,does it make sense?(or bad idea)

-And i am not sure when to ad it to my hydroponic res.(Like week 4-7epsom and 7-9 k2so4?)

(Jusing canna aqua, and light poolshock)
 
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Mathimus

Member
Hi Dr. Thanks for all your information! Running dwc. I use silica 1 ml/gal through veg or 2 to 3 ml/gal on heavy training before the flip. I cut it about 2 or 3 weeks in flower. When you say don't use silica with this, are you meaning in the same feeding regimen or don't add silica directly to this?
 
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Fernvalley

Member
Mathimus said:
Hi Dr. Thanks for all your information! Running dwc. I use silica 1 ml/gal through veg or 2 to 3 ml/gal on heavy training before the flip. I cut it about 2 or 3 weeks in flower. When you say don't use silica with this, are you meaning in the same feeding regimen or don't add silica directly to this?
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This is my main question also.
 
Mont@n@

Mont@n@

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Fernvalley said:
This is my main question also.
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Don’t add silica to your concentrated mix, it will precipitate, add your favorite silica directly to the reservoir.

so far in my knowledge silica won’t mix in a concentrated mix with nitrates or sulphates.

Sorry for my English :D
 
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Tht_Blk_Guy27

Tht_Blk_Guy27

Well-Known Member
Dr. Who said:
I had posted this before. I made a mistake and THANKS TO MisterBlah getting me looking at where I went wrong and giving actual volumetric math vs. farm charts and misread labels!

I gave you a "sweet raw" formula that costs about a dollar a gallon and works GREAT!

NOW THIS!
Very simple actually

I figure that if you buy 5 lbs of K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate) off Amazon -

https://www.amazon.com/Potassium-Sulfate-Potash-Organic-Pounds/dp/B00L225EXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468941355&sr=8-1&keywords=potassium+sulfate

that will make you OVER 6 gallons of the formula (Adding the powder to the gallon of water will increase the total volume of the solution!). Then you spend what you would need to buy the amount of dark brown sugar to do the same.

The cost per gallon would be LESS then $4.00 a gallon to make it!
The others cost $68 a gallon and $158 for 5L!

Here I had my farm math. I used a formula to make a 300ppm application solution for 1000 gallons and forgot to multiply the answer by a factor of 28(grams) to back it to a 10% solution. What I posted was the application rate of 300ppm and NOT a 10% concentration! (Thanks again to MisterBlah!)

SO then 378.5 grams (volumetric math) of that Potassium sulfate powder from Amazon into 1 gallon of water for the 10% solution.
Add the 1.5 tsp of Dark brown Sugar for the carbs. Mix well till everything is dissolved and jug it! (With my old farm math method, and application charts I got 380 grams [correction]- a simple gain of 1.5 grams from formula shifts over the 1000 gallon conversion in the Greenhouse guide chart)



FEED CHART
(DO NOT mix with Silica - this causes a chemical reaction - precipitation)

STARTING Week 3&4 !
4-ml in 1 gallon of your feed

At week 5&6
6-ml in 1 gallon of your feed

At week 7 till harvest
8-ml in 1 gallon of your feed


I researched the "Rock Resinator" and the "Terpinator" formula's and they use an 8% solution and a 4 % solution respectively!

I formulated a 10% solution to be better effective faster. I used both products feed charts and normal feeding values of "K" to come up with the feed chart I gave you.
FOLLOW IT! NO increasing and you'll be safe and happy with the results!

This should make your lemon taste stronger or deeper, along with the smell!

This formula will increase the trich and terp production just like the Mg Sulfate formula BUT, will give everything a rather citrus smell and taste - more "lemony" for the most part.

Changes the taste and smell of any Berry or sour strain to more lemony/citrusy or fuel like..

Good luck and THANKS AGAIN to @MisterBlah
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all it is is brown sugar and the K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate) together? is that literally it???
 
Tht_Blk_Guy27

Tht_Blk_Guy27

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Vnsmkr said:
Pumpkin, banana and squash. Cut & cubed, add equal parts brown sugar; So 2 lbs of fruit you use 2 lbs of brown sugar (brown sugar, not molasses). Mash as best you can with a mortar (be sure to not use your hands). Cover loosely and let it ferment for a week or a week and a half. Strain and jar again covering loosely to finish the fermenting process. There is your bloom juice, add a teaspoon per gallon.
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are you using that along with you other nutrients or is this a primary feeding regiment?
 
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