The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

Round and round we go. When it stops, nobody knows.

londonfog, UncleBuck, and Dan Kone are so convinced that their view is the only correct view that arguing is completely moot. Whilst some of us on the RP side have agreed to a degree with their views, they never. If they were in a corner where that was the only option, they resort to turtle fucking.

Intelligent discussion.

londonfog said:

Herion is process from the poppy plant...and can not naturally be found in nature...Heroin is made by scraping the residue of poppies, boiling the gum into opium, then extracting morphine, which is converted into pure heroin...so it is MAN MADE...where do you think herion comes from??? here learn something http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heroin/transform/

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i'm no expert but if you are extracting a natural compound and not adding to it, isn't it still by definition natural? Maybe concentrated, but natural nonetheless?
Wax, oils, hash are all concentrates.

londonfog said:

Herion is process from the poppy plant...and can not naturally be found in nature...Heroin is made by scraping the residue of poppies, boiling the gum into opium, then extracting morphine, which is converted into pure heroin...so it is MAN MADE...where do you think herion comes from??? here learn something http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heroin/transform/

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Hash is man made too, yet you are probably happy enough smoking it. Have you noticed how people grow lately? It isn't exactly natural. At what point does something become man made? How about when we breed a plant into something completely different and then grow it in what is essentially a lab? Opium is really addictive too and is completely natural. If you don't want to take heroin - you don't have to. Lots of completely natural things will kill you dead.

Also, you did note it uses pretty common stuff to make all of that. Lime(you know, the stuff you throw on your natural plants) and acetic anhydride(dehydrated vinegar - hey don't people use vinegar in their plants for PH?!) ohhhhhh scary stuff, next they will be mixing in the sugar! OH NOES. You probably didn't understand the words they were using though, I will forgive you. Hey, lets go squirt some of that ultra safe and natural butane through some buds as a peace offering to each other.

The point was never that heroin was safe or a good idea, and you know it. Why are you obfuscating again?

budlover13 said:

i'm no expert but if you are extracting a natural compound and not adding to it, isn't it still by definition natural? Maybe concentrated, but natural nonetheless?
Wax, oils, hash are all concentrates.

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no you are not..its not natural...you can't go out and find a heroin plant...I can go rub my hands continually on a cannabis plant and get resin on my hand which will be hash...WTF do you guys even grow...see and thats why I fault you Ron Paul fools even when you are shown that you are wrong you still try to argue dumb ass points that make you look stupid and lose credibilty....when I'm wrong I say it...so your argument now is heroin is natural just because I said it should be illegal by the fact its man made..WTF...never seen people so passionate about being fucking wrong...anything that is man made should be illegal or regulated..period end of story..or do you want people to just make any drug and be able to sell it to whom ever ...Hell Ron Paul thinks its your right...WTF...

londonfog said:

follow the conversation...Americans have too much and too spoiled to want a violent revolution...

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Amusing to say the least. I agree with the spoiled and have too much. What happens when the stuff the left and right are doing together such as taxes, magically printing more money, entitlements that cannot be paid for, and wars all come to a head and what we have is nothing? If we stopped adding more government and fighting wars like Ron Paul wants we MIGHT be able to stop and then reverse the trend leading to our country collapsing. What happens when it collapses? The government will still have the military and try to use it to keep her together because they won't want to give up power. The people will fight back. You know, the people who you said have way too much but then have nothing in the blink of an eye.

Carthoris said:

Hash is man made too, yet you are probably happy enough smoking it. Have you noticed how people grow lately? It isn't exactly natural. At what point does something become man made? How about when we breed a plant into something completely different and then grow it in what is essentially a lab? Opium is really addictive too and is completely natural. If you don't want to take heroin - you don't have to. Lots of completely natural things will kill you dead.

Also, you did note it uses pretty common stuff to make all of that. Lime(you know, the stuff you throw on your natural plants) and acetic anhydride(dehydrated vinegar - hey don't people use vinegar in their plants for PH?!) ohhhhhh scary stuff, next they will be mixing in the sugar! OH NOES. You probably didn't understand the words they were using though, I will forgive you. Hey, lets go squirt some of that ultra safe and natural butane through some buds as a peace offering to each other.

The point was never that heroin was safe or a good idea, and you know it. Why are you obfuscating again?

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Cannabis can grow in nature by itself...your argument makes you look dumber then you really are

Carthoris said:

Amusing to say the least. I agree with the spoiled and have too much. What happens when the stuff the left and right are doing together such as taxes, magically printing more money, entitlements that cannot be paid for, and wars all come to a head and what we have is nothing? If we stopped adding more government and fighting wars like Ron Paul wants we MIGHT be able to stop and then reverse the trend leading to our country collapsing. What happens when it collapses? The government will still have the military and try to use it to keep her together because they won't want to give up power. The people will fight back. You know, the people who you said have way too much but then have nothing in the blink of an eye.

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you like using the word IF...soooooo what IF your mother was a man ????? Would you call her dad...Ron Paul is not GOD...he has faults and is not the savior to America...nor is Obama...

londonfog said:

no you are not..its not natural...you can't go out and find a heroin plant...I can go rub my hands continually on a cannabis plant and get resin on my hand which will be hash...WTF do you guys even grow...see and thats why I fault you Ron Paul fools even when you are shown that you are wrong you still try to argue dumb ass points that make you look stupid and lose credibilty....when I'm wrong I say it...so your argument now is heroin is natural just because I said it should be illegal by the fact its man made..WTF...never seen people so passionate about being fucking wrong...anything that is man made should be illegal or regulated..period end of story..or do you want people to just make any drug and be able to sell it to whom ever ...Hell Ron Paul thinks its your right...WTF...

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i was refering more to CO2 extractions and butane honey oil extractions. Rub your hands on bud and make me some please.

budlover13 said:

i was refering more to CO2 extractions and butane honey oil extractions. Rub your hands on bud and make me some please.

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next time you harvest don't use gloves...read whole page on the different ways...you will see you can do it just by rubbing ... http://www.hashish-center.com/hashishmaking.html

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that the entire heroin thing was London's way of not making himself look stupid by actually answering this post:

There is a far cry between my right to choose what my action is and what action I will take. I have the right to smoke cigarettes, I do not. I have the right to get shitfaced drunk every day, I do not. I have the right to paint my house neon pink and stand in a a hula skirt in my front yard dancing with a rifle strapped to my back while singing about revolution. I have the right to do those things, and those rights are very precious to me. Even the right of a woman to have an abortion is important to me. It isn't my right since I can't get pregnant and it is a horrible thing in my eyes, but I would still defend it to the end because it isn't mine, yours, or the governments decision to make for her. (Unless my wife gets me pregnant fucking me with a strap on and I have an asshole baby. Please, vote for my right to abort my asshole baby)

I have no legal responsibility to stop and help people who are broken down on the side of the road, but I still do. Why? Have you ever heard of the Golden Rule? I treat others as I wish to be treated. I look at people doing things I don't agree with and I stop and think to myself: While I would never, if I wanted to worship satan or rub jello in my ass and let some guy have his way with me, I should be able to as long as I don't mind mopping up a jello and shit liquid(remember, jello liquifies with warmth:X) Your theory is everyone should be treated as you wish to be treated. They call that something else. Oppression, maybe?

Obviously having the right to do something, and doing it have no distinction for you. I suppose you would run out and do some heroin if it was legalized.

"Oh noes, without the nanny government to tell me right from wrong I will never be able to live my life correctly", said YOU.

It would be like me using the phrase 'if your friends go an jump off a bridge, would you too' at the end of a page of information and London, instead of actually responding to the ideals of the page, goes on to talk about how jumping off a bridge is dangerous when no one actually said t it was or wasn't dangerous.

Obfuscate is the secret word of the day.

[video=youtube;gxMZgeBlqzQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxMZgeBlqzQ&feature=related[/video]

I don't answer all stupid shit....most of your shit is stupid....I gave my opinion on helping and hurting...take what you will

londonfog said:

next time you harvest don't use gloves...read whole page on the different ways...you will see you can do it just by rubbing ... http://www.hashish-center.com/hashishmaking.html

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I usually just scrape it off my scissors when I get done trimming. Then make butter or use chemicals to hash the rest.

londonfog said:

next time you harvest don't use gloves...read whole page on the different ways...you will see you can do it just by rubbing ... http://www.hashish-center.com/hashishmaking.html

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You cannot make butane honey oil or wax concentrates by rubbing a plant. LOL!!!

If i'm wrong will someone please show me how?

Carthoris said:

I usually just scrape it off my scissors when I get done trimming. Then make butter or use chemicals to hash the rest.

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well I guess you learned something today

londonfog said:

you like using the word IF...soooooo what IF your mother was a man ????? Would you call her dad...Ron Paul is not GOD...he has faults and is not the savior to America...nor is Obama...

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If my mother was a man, then I guess I was an asshole baby like you are. By saying there is no savior, you are admitting that there is something to be saved from.

londonfog said:

well I guess you learned something today

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Well, I did learn how to build a domed ceiling to hang my chandelier from, so I suppose you are right.

budlover13 said:

You cannot make butane honey oil or wax concentrates by rubbing a plant. LOL!!!

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so your argument really is that weed and herion are the same and both are natural so both should be just as legal ?????

Carthoris said:

Well, I did learn how to build a domed ceiling to hang my chandelier from, so I suppose you are right.

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and that you don't need chemicals to make hash...that is if you paid attention

londonfog said:

I don't answer all stupid shit....most of your shit is stupid....I gave my opinion on helping and hurting...take what you will

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No, you answer WITH stupid shit instead. There are 3 options. Help, Hurt, Do nothing. Obviously you never read 'choose your own adventure' books.

budlover13 said:

You cannot make butane honey oil or wax concentrates by rubbing a plant. LOL!!!

If I'm wrong will someone please show me how?

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I was talking hash which Carthorse said is just as natural as herion...again please follow conversation...now again if its MAN MADE it should be illegal or REGULATED...