The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

Antidisestablishmentarian said:

You didn't read enough b You apparently don't see the part where it talks about SFA and his 300 families. I guess you don't get that it was after Texians outnumbered mexicans that it was made illegal to come to Mexico. They were allowed to be there. You should read more books about it other than a Wikipedia article.

I'm from Texas and own many books on the subject.

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:

You didn't read enough b You apparently don't see the part where it talks about SFA and his 300 families. I guess you don't get that it was after Texians outnumbered mexicans that it was made illegal to come to Mexico. They were allowed to be there. You should read more books about it other than a Wikipedia article.

I'm from Texas and own many books on the subject.

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Carthoris said:

It comes out the same either way. Texas got cut into pieces and now is part of the USA. Don't try to pretend it was some glorious rebellion though, it was just a land grab by the United States. 300 families is only 1500-2000 people tops with 500 or so able to fight. There were thousands in the army that beat Santa Anna, where do you suppose they came from? It is not a rebellion or a revolution when the entire army of the rebelling side are foreigners. It is called an invasion.

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Six months after the congress of the Republic of Texas accepts U.S. annexation of the territory, Texas is admitted into the United States as the 28th state.
After gaining independence from Spain in the 1820s, Mexico welcomed foreign settlers to sparsely populated Texas, and a large group of Americans led by Stephen F. Austin settled along the Brazos River. The Americans soon outnumbered the resident Mexicans, and by the 1830s attempts by the Mexican government to regulate these semi-autonomous American communities led to rebellion. In March 1836, in the midst of armed conflict with the Mexican government, Texas declared its independence from Mexico.
The Texas volunteers initially suffered defeat against the forces of Mexican General Santa Anna--the Alamo fell and Sam Houston's troops were forced into an eastward retreat. However, in late April, Houston's troops surprised a Mexican force at San Jacinto, and Santa Anna was captured, bringing an end to Mexico's efforts to subdue Texas.
The citizens of the independent Republic of Texas elected Sam Houston president but also endorsed the entrance of Texas into the Union. The likelihood of Texas joining the Union as a slave state delayed any formal action by the U.S. Congress for more than a decade. In 1844, Congress finally agreed to annex the territory of Texas. On December 29, 1845, Texas entered the United States as a slave state, broadening the irrepressible differences in the United States over the issue of slavery and setting off the Mexican-American War.

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sync0s said:

I don't know why you guys are arguing about this but here:

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sync0s said:

I don't know why you guys are arguing about this but here:
Six months after the congress of the Republic of Texas accepts U.S. annexation of the territory, Texas is admitted into the United States as the 28th state.
After gaining independence from Spain in the 1820s, Mexico welcomed foreign settlers to sparsely populated Texas, and a large group of Americans led by Stephen F. Austin settled along the Brazos River. The Americans soon outnumbered the resident Mexicans, and by the 1830s attempts by the Mexican government to regulate these semi-autonomous American communities led to rebellion. In March 1836, in the midst of armed conflict with the Mexican government, Texas declared its independence from Mexico.
The Texas volunteers initially suffered defeat against the forces of Mexican General Santa Anna--the Alamo fell and Sam Houston's troops were forced into an eastward retreat. However, in late April, Houston's troops surprised a Mexican force at San Jacinto, and Santa Anna was captured, bringing an end to Mexico's efforts to subdue Texas.
The citizens of the independent Republic of Texas elected Sam Houston president but also endorsed the entrance of Texas into the Union. The likelihood of Texas joining the Union as a slave state delayed any formal action by the U.S. Congress for more than a decade. In 1844, Congress finally agreed to annex the territory of Texas. On December 29, 1845, Texas entered the United States as a slave state, broadening the irrepressible differences in the United States over the issue of slavery and setting off the Mexican-American War.

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Carthoris said:

Note that the statement above says"The likelihood of Texas joining the Union as a slave state delayed any formal action by the U.S. Congress for more than a decade. In 1844, Congress finally agreed to annex the territory of Texas." That means the US was trying to annex Texas before 1834. Texas didn't rebel until 1836. No serious historian would suggest that it was anything but a land grab by the US on Mexican territory. They even paid Mexico 15 million for Texas and California after the war ceased. See how the history kind of hints at the US land grabbing but ultimately tries to paint it more as neutral for blame or even blaming the Mexicans?

As far as why we were talking about it, I was pointing out that Mexicans aren't horrible immigrants coming to steal the white mans land.

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Internal politics of the Republic were based on the conflict between two factions. The nationalist faction, led by Lamar, advocated the continued independence of Texas, the expulsion of the Native Americans, and the expansion of Texas to the Pacific Ocean. Their opponents, led by Houston, advocated the annexation of Texas to the United States and peaceful co-existence with Native Americans. The Texas Congress even passed a resolution over Houston's veto claiming the Californias for Texas.[3] The 1844 presidential election split dramatically, with the newer western regions of the Republic preferring the nationalist candidate Edward Burleson, while the cotton country, particularly east of the Trinity River, went for Anson Jones.[4]

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dukeanthony said:

Why do bad laws need to be Followed?

What site are you on again?

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Carthoris said:

I don't have an issue with limiting immigration, posting our military at the borders, building a 50 billion dollar tall fence My issue is how we treat these people who are just people like us. They aren't evil drug dealers coming over to mooch welfare, they are human beings who are coming here because they know they can make their lives better. Anyone who wouldn't break the laws if their family was starving and destitute is a coward. It isn't like they are robbing people or murdering, they are just crossing a border to come here for work. You get criminals of every race, most Mexicans are not criminals, just poor.

The real solution to the immigration problem has little to do with immigration. If we stopped buying from China and set Mexico up to succeed then we would have a neighbor who prospered and helped us to prosper. Mexico is a trade partner, China is a seller. We buy and sell in Mexico, we only buy in China.

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dukeanthony said:

Looks Like a whole bunch of black people in that Ron Paul stadium picture

I count ...none

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