There is no pipeline, schools ARE Prisons

I own some land outside of city and town limits, there are no utilities on the land and there is no "paved" road leading up to that land. I do not pay taxes on said land. Well, very very little. Which I then write off the following year.

If the land I own is within town or city limits, and utilities are on, around, or under my land, I justifiably need to pay taxes on that land. You are part of a community, if you wish to not participate in said community, you are more than welcome to purchase land nowhere near a community and avoid taxation.

Your false equivalency and your pedantic approach to the nonsense you espouse is humorous. Your thick skull is clearly too cumbersome for your tiny brain, even the simplest of concepts is very hard for you to grasp. But nice try.

The tax is low because there is nothing on the land. If you don't pay the tax, what can they take? Put shit on the land, and the tax assessor will come by and raise your taxes. How are you more "involved" in the nearest community with a house, garage, and a paved driveway. Build it, and they will come.
 
Yes, its true, home schooled children children when given a structured curriculum do better than public school children in standardized tests. This factoid is interesting but you seem to stop with the conservative idea that public schools are bad.

Class size and a dedicated educator has a lot to do with it. Children of single parents or working couples are left out of the home school option. Better funding for public schools, smaller class sizes and higher pay to increase teacher retention might be a better solution than to insist on home schooling.

Alternatively....Every year, fewer children are living in nuclear families where only one paycheck is enough (without public assistance, that is) to make ends meet with a life style that is acceptable. Would mister undrama be willing to fund the teachers of these home schooled children?



@Rob Roy quoted a diatribe from a site that is currently down and asking for money. Not difficult to understand why. After all, the person he most often quotes was last seen living in an RV and making a living by selling rope sandals at Rainbow Gatherings. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, its just that neither source of information is very inspirational. Neither is his life style -- he depends on the use of a neighbor's refrigerator (who's on the grid) because his home-made solar power grid won't support it. Its a life in poverty that Rob and the idiot asking for money to "buy RAM" are advocating for.

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Home schoolers are not more intelligent.
Those that take the tests are self selecting
 
The tax is low because there is nothing on the land. If you don't pay the tax, what can they take? Put shit on the land, and the tax assessor will come by and raise your taxes. How are you more "involved" in the nearest community with a house, garage, and a paved driveway. Build it, and they will come.

Not true. If I build an off grid homestead with absolutely no reliance on city/town sewage, water or electric I am not obligated to participate in the taxation of said area.

Paved road.. not paved driveway. Huge difference.

However, if you plan on building on your land to upgrade it, requiring permits to be pulled, you are now relying on local government, and public safety, and thus require taxation.

No utilities, no permits, no government "intervention", no taxes. ( Or very little, which can be written off the following year )
 
Home schoolers are not more intelligent.
Those that take the tests are self selecting

Home school children, for the most part, score 15-20% lower on aptitude tests when compared to equal demographic associated individuals. Aka, homeschooled children, for the most part, are dumb-dumbs.

There are exceptions however, some go on to score very high on aptitude tests, get into Ivy League schools and go on to have successful lives. And apparently, those who go on to go to college are more likely to graduate than those who were public/private schooled. Something like 65% to 55% matriculation, respectively.
 
Homeschooled children on average score 30-40% better on standardized tests than their public schooled counterparts.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/30/home-schooling-outstanding-results-national-tests/

The most amazing thing about homeschooled children is the fact they are taught by rank amateurs with no experience and no teaching certificate.

Achievement tests, not standardized test at the national level, or better put, not SATs or the like. Those "achievement tests" have proven to be nothing more than memorization aptitude tests. A plethora of teachers/schools have been caught giving students answers or guiding them to the correct answer without actually teaching them anything.

Homeschooling has increased over the past 30 years by some 200%, and SAT scores have seen a slight increase 30 to 20 years ago, and since 2001 we've seen a steady decline, only in the past year have we started to see an increase. Whites and Asians score the average highest with a ~520 Math and ~504 Read/Write, while Blacks and Others score on the lower ends ~478 and ~432 respectively.

Pointedly, I scored a 1370, while my mother scored an 1800 on her LSATs, one of only 5 people in the entire US to do it that year. ( Not the same year, she did that while I was a toddler )
 
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Home schoolers are not more intelligent.
Those that take the tests are self selecting
Agree about not more intelligent, intelligence is more of a talent and is different than simply a better education. It is plausible that a home schooled kid given structured curriculum and a dedicated parent can do better than a random publicly schooled kid.

I'm not going to copy and paste the whole report. If you are interested, you can read it here: http://www.parentingscience.com/homeschooling-outcomes.html

They talk about the issue of self selection in some studies and show results from a study that was designed to avoid that error. They also avoid the bias that @see4 talks about where kids are taught the test rather than taught a subject. The study has a small sample size so its not perfect but the results did show that home schooled kids in this study with structured curriculum had statistically significantly better outcomes than public school kids. Here is one quote from this report.

To find out, researchers administered a 45-minute achievement test in the children’s homes. The questions—which were borrowed from the popular Woodcock-Johnson Test of Achievement—covered seven distinct academic areas, including reading comprehension, science, and mathematics.

Overall, the structured homeschooling group performed much better than the public school group. And the margin was pretty dramatic.

In 5 of 7 test areas, (word identification, phonic decoding, science, social science, humanities) structured homeschoolers were at least one grade level ahead of public schoolers.

They were almost half a year ahead in math, and slightly, but not significantly, advanced in reading comprehension.

But this is a relatively small study. Was the homeschool advantage due to random factors?

- See more at: http://www.parentingscience.com/homeschooling-outcomes.html#sthash.jiZPZ8EE.dpuf


I'm not claiming definitive answers here but just putting it out there that its plausible that a kid can do better in a properly done home school environment. I'm also not a proponent of home schooling. I'd like to see people use information like this to improve public school systems and not just bash public schools to justify reduced budgets..
 
Not true. If I build an off grid homestead with absolutely no reliance on city/town sewage, water or electric I am not obligated to participate in the taxation of said area.

Paved road.. not paved driveway. Huge difference.

However, if you plan on building on your land to upgrade it, requiring permits to be pulled, you are now relying on local government, and public safety, and thus require taxation.

No utilities, no permits, no government "intervention", no taxes. ( Or very little, which can be written off the following year )

How are building permits a reliance on community? Your just twisting in a strange way because im right......furthermore you've never used det cord, and I have.
 
Agree about not more intelligent, intelligence is more of a talent and is different than simply a better education. It is plausible that a home schooled kid given structured curriculum and a dedicated parent can do better than a random publicly schooled kid.

I'm not going to copy and paste the whole report. If you are interested, you can read it here: http://www.parentingscience.com/homeschooling-outcomes.html

They talk about the issue of self selection in some studies and show results from a study that was designed to avoid that error. They also avoid the bias that @see4 talks about where kids are taught the test rather than taught a subject. The study has a small sample size so its not perfect but the results did show that home schooled kids in this study with structured curriculum had statistically significantly better outcomes than public school kids. Here is one quote from this report.

To find out, researchers administered a 45-minute achievement test in the children’s homes. The questions—which were borrowed from the popular Woodcock-Johnson Test of Achievement—covered seven distinct academic areas, including reading comprehension, science, and mathematics.

Overall, the structured homeschooling group performed much better than the public school group. And the margin was pretty dramatic.

In 5 of 7 test areas, (word identification, phonic decoding, science, social science, humanities) structured homeschoolers were at least one grade level ahead of public schoolers.

They were almost half a year ahead in math, and slightly, but not significantly, advanced in reading comprehension.

But this is a relatively small study. Was the homeschool advantage due to random factors?

- See more at: http://www.parentingscience.com/homeschooling-outcomes.html#sthash.jiZPZ8EE.dpuf


I'm not claiming definitive answers here but just putting it out there that its plausible that a kid can do better in a properly done home school environment. I'm also not a proponent of home schooling. I'd like to see people use information like this to improve public school systems and not just bash public schools to justify reduced budgets..
Homeschoolerz self select for testing.
They don't test all honeschoolers.
Only the ones who volunteer to take the test
 
How are building permits a reliance on community? Your just twisting in a strange way because im right......furthermore you've never used det cord, and I have.

How is a building permit reliance on the community? Ummm, it's letting the community know where you are and what you plan on doing. Duh. Seriously?
 
How is a building permit reliance on the community? Ummm, it's letting the community know where you are and what you plan on doing. Duh. Seriously?
FUCK building Permits. If I want to raise chickens in the city and store their manure right next to my neighbors house I should be able to without permission
 
Why does the community what to know where I am, and what I am doing?

Say you build a house on some land you own. And say once you've completed building your house you decide to hire someone to come paint your house. And say the painter falls through the roof of the house because your construction wasn't very good. And this painter falls to the ground and breaks his hip.

Without permits, and then subsequent insurance, you will be paying his broken hip out of your pocket for the rest of your life. You won't be able to get insurance without proving it was done properly, thus permits.

Now, by all means, buy some land and build a big ass house on it without pulling permits, I personally don't care. But as soon as someone is injured on your property, don't come a cryin' that you and your children will be forever poor because you need to pay legal bills for the rest of your life.
 
FUCK building Permits. If I want to raise chickens in the city and store their manure right next to my neighbors house I should be able to without permission

Just so long as you don't mind if I shoot said chickens from my fence line. >:(
 
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