Vote for O'Bama. Lose your job.

canndo

Well-Known Member
It is now being reported that Olive Garden is cutting back full time employees and firing to avoid Obamacare. Details to come out later.

Yes, turn the employers against the employees and lets see who wins.
Obama is great at division. Races against each other, parties against each other, rich against the poor, employees against the employers, four great years to come!


You got it wrong, it is the right that pits the poor against the rich, it is the right that pits race against race and this particular case shows how employers are perfectly willing to abuse their employees while claiming that Obama is the one fomenting all the trouble.
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
What do Finnish cars, Mexican solar panels, and Danish windmills have in common? They were all funded by your tax dollars.

Thanks to President Obama, taxpayer money, mostly in the form of stimulus funds, ended up in the hands of companies overseas. Instead of creating jobs in America, the stimulus and other Obama policies created jobs or sent money to Finland, New Zealand, Indonesia, India, Mexico, Germany, Australia, Switzerland, China, Denmark, South Korea, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Vietnam, Italy, Russia, Luxembourg, El Salvador, Great Britain, Spain, Japan, and France.

How did this happen? Consider the example of Fisker Automotive. The company received $500 million in loan guarantees from the U.S. government to produce electric cars. Then they took their money and decided to produce their $100,000 electric sports cars in Finland.
President Obama's policies may be spurring job creation in Scandinavia. But here at home, twenty-three million Americans are struggling for work. Millions of middle class families can barely make ends meet.

The billions of dollars that went overseas largely had to be borrowed. In other words, President Obama borrowed money from countries like China to send money to... countries like China. It's that kind of reckless spending that led President Obama to rack up $5.6 trillion in debt over the last three and a half years, bringing our total national debt to $15.8 trillion.
oh so obama is taking control of companies in all those countries? now im confused where does he say that in the speech?
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Thats pretty much sums it up, ginjawarrior.
Basically the way the world works. You have to be "diplomatic" with people you want to use.

With 4 more years we will be a nation of part time workers.

And under Romney we will be a nation of serfs and barrons, what little the middle class has in the way of assets and personal wealth will be stripped from them while the rich will become even richer all the while moaning that they are sooo misunderstood and unappreciated.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

Global Moderator
Staff member
This is free enterprise at work - when a law is enacted in order to help the greatest number and that law is in any way burdensome on business, rather than go along with the program for the greatest good for society, those businesses will go to any length to skirt the law, and the right lauds this sort of behavior. Does the company take into account that usually part time workers are less productive and shorter hours yield less worker output? OF course they do but this is not about their bottom line, it is about their childish obstructionism and their statement of hatred for the present administration - nothing more but they will hide behind their claim of "sound business practices".
I didn't say I was in agreements with the article - I simply posted it due to its relevance to the thread.
 

FreedomWorks

Well-Known Member
oh so obama is taking control of companies in all those countries? now im confused where does he say that in the speech?
Thats not from his speech. I've moved on to explain in greater depth.
Please don't talk to me. You are either are so smoked that you don't see the facts,
or you smoke up the facts, and rub the fact ashes into the rug; until there are no facts.


You should go here: https://www.rollitup.org/politics/570960-any-saved-jobs.html
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Yes there is truth to your statement. Like I told my employees, if I hit the lottery I am done. But, I will just pass all my investment to my foreman and he will take over. I wouldnt leave you guys hanging in the wind, but Id be DONE.
Now at the same time, unless I am exempted from healthcare I am barely hanging on right now as it is. There is no way possible I could pay for their healthcare. I am fortunate that my work stayed constant through the worst of the economy, but its finally catching up. I have been doing good to give the guys 30 hours a week lately. As you see I am sitting at home right now waiting on the next project to start Monday. I will have to let people go, if not just become a full time grower like our boy Uncle Buck if I dont see something change soon.

Ask your employees if they will all take a cut in order to keep everyone on board - strange thing about that, if you have assembled a good team, they will all bear the sacrifice. But in this day and age, ask an owner to do his part by taking a cut as well and you see a distinct lack of leadership, what you see is the guy bailing out with the proceeds that his workers helped him realize - and then blaming that guy in the Whitehouse that the boss never liked anyway. And of course all the time this is going on, the boss and his fellow owners are on the golf course, angry that you can't find good help now adays and his employees are all greedy and lazy. As though this fella did everything with his own two hands and single brain.

This clown gives us all a bad name and you respect that?
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
Thats not from his speech. I've moved on to explain in greater depth.
Please don't talk to me. You are either are so smoked that you don't see the facts,
or you smoke up the facts, and rub the fact ashes into the rug; until there are no facts.
but he has taken "government control" of companies in all those countries right?
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Oh yeah I would. Even strongly suspecting my little Einsteins would probably have it wasted within the first two generations. Atleast I would go to the grave with a peace of mind I did all I could do to give them what I could give.


While virtualy insuring that your progeny would all be hapless, helpless and miserable for their entire lives. Sorry Althor, I can't go to my grave knowing I ruined my children and grandchildren's lives.
 

FreedomWorks

Well-Known Member
but he has taken "government control" of companies in all those countries right?
NO. But in a way yes..Obama has given money to people so they can start new companies and expand new companies in other countries with our tax dollars. They are big campaign donors and bundlers for Obama. The stimulus Obama put in place is creating jobs in China, with money we borrowed from China. Its that kind of wreckless spending that has our national debt increased by 6$ trillion dollars since Obama has been president. We all have to pay that back to China. Not many saved jobs here compared to how many new jobs in China got.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
While virtualy insuring that your progeny would all be hapless, helpless and miserable for their entire lives. Sorry Althor, I can't go to my grave knowing I ruined my children and grandchildren's lives.
This is one of those "debates" where it just gets ridiculous.
If you make a bad thing out of leaving something to your kids, then I can in no way relate to you.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
This is one of those "debates" where it just gets ridiculous.
If you make a bad thing out of leaving something to your kids, then I can in no way relate to you.
What I am doing here is comparing your stance on welfare with your stance on your own family welfare. If you are claiming that welfare for the masses is bad for those people and engenders laziness and a culture of dependency. If you are saying that aside from the financial cost to our country that it is simpply bad societal and moral practice to give people things for nothing, then how can you turn around and decide that very thing is good for your family? The two don't reconcile, they are either both bad practice or neither are.
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
NO. But in a way yes..Obama has given money to people so they can start new companies and expand new companies in other countries with our tax dollars. They are big campaign donors and bundlers for Obama. The stimulus Obama put in place is creating jobs in China, with money we borrowed from China. Its that kind of wreckless spending that has our national debt increased by 6$ trillion dollars since Obama has been president. We all have to pay that back to China. Not many saved jobs here compared to how many new jobs in China got.
building gm plants in china to sell to the chinese makes good business sense? that with keeping gm manufacturing in the usa is a "win win" situation isnt it?
isnt china lending for the opportunity for an american company to sell them stuff?

or were you hoping the plants be built in usa to ship gm cars to china?
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Liberalism is not about logic. Its more a cult of personality.

You know, this is the sort of thing that the right tells themselves as they pat themselves on the back for being oh so logical and reasonable, all the while doing unreasonable things and ignoring not only logic but facts as well. True liberalism is quite logical and fact based even if you congradulate yourself that you are the sole posessor of such traits.

But so long as all of your conservative friends agree with that particular emply assessment, why then it must be true.
 

FreedomWorks

Well-Known Member
building gm plants in china to sell to the chinese makes good business sense? that with keeping gm manufacturing in the usa is a "win win" situation isnt it?
isnt china lending for the opportunity for an american company to sell them stuff?

or were you hoping the plants be built in usa to ship gm cars to china?
The stimulus was supposed to create jobs in America. Remember Obama said "shovel ready jobs?" It did save some jobs, mostly in the auto industry. But as far as the rest goes, it wasn't well thought out and poorly executed.
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
The stimulus was supposed to create jobs in America. Remember Obama said "shovel ready jobs?" It did save some jobs, mostly in the auto industry. But as far as the rest goes, it wasn't well thought out and poorly executed.
so gm got itself back on its feet and then decided to increase its revenues by expanding into china all the time keeping its manufacturing base in usa. still a win win!!

as UB points out theres shovel jobs still in usa.

do i remember the gop trying to block alot of the shovel rdy jobs in usa?
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
The stimulus was supposed to create jobs in America. Remember Obama said "shovel ready jobs?" It did save some jobs, mostly in the auto industry. But as far as the rest goes, it wasn't well thought out and poorly executed.

Yet most of the congressmen who received that stiumulus money, while decrying the inadequacy of the stiumulus claimed that the money THEY got, the programs THEY attended the ribbon cuttings for, created jobs. Romney and Ryan were guilty of that very thing and there are letters from one of them claiming that if they were only given another small portion of that stiumulus money, they could create even more jobs.

None of them are willing to acknowlege that however - they took full credit all the while damning Obama.

Or havn't you followed any of that Freedomworks?
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

Well-Known Member
What do Finnish cars, Mexican solar panels, and Danish windmills have in common? They were all funded by your tax dollars.

Thanks to President Obama, taxpayer money, mostly in the form of stimulus funds, ended up in the hands of companies overseas. Instead of creating jobs in America, the stimulus and other Obama policies created jobs or sent money to Finland, New Zealand, Indonesia, India, Mexico, Germany, Australia, Switzerland, China, Denmark, South Korea, the Dominican Republic, Thailand, Vietnam, Italy, Russia, Luxembourg, El Salvador, Great Britain, Spain, Japan, and France.

How did this happen? Consider the example of Fisker Automotive. The company received $500 million in loan guarantees from the U.S. government to produce electric cars. Then they took their money and decided to produce their $100,000 electric sports cars in Finland.
President Obama's policies may be spurring job creation in Scandinavia. But here at home, twenty-three million Americans are struggling for work. Millions of middle class families can barely make ends meet.

The billions of dollars that went overseas largely had to be borrowed. In other words, President Obama borrowed money from countries like China to send money to... countries like China. It's that kind of reckless spending that led President Obama to rack up $5.6 trillion in debt over the last three and a half years, bringing our total national debt to $16+ trillion.
see: Military Industrial Complex..... see in america, we love starting things, and we cannot seem to stop them, even if that 'thing' is making weapons. what candidate wants to increase war spending again? we waste cash on nonsense like this.
 
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