DIY-HP-LED
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Decades after World War II, darkness returned to Ukraine – Volodymyr Zelenskyy
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Roger A. Shrubber
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the fingernails make it kind of hard to believe she's been sleeping rough....
Roger A. Shrubber
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i was actually kind of commenting on the irony...what is propaganda for them is sometimes the equivalent of good news for us.
i guess it depends on your view point. all is fair in war, up to whatever rules have extrapolated from the geneva accords and NATO/U.N. rulings, which putin has already shit all over. far as i know, there is no rule against providing intelligence to an ally. if the russians don't like it, they can declare war on us. i think i would like that very much, actually.
Roger A. Shrubber
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that is up to the Ukrainians to decide, but i suspect they might fight to the last man...how much is freedom and future security worth? how many lives, how many billions of dollars? i don't know, but we haven't hit that mark yet, and i don't think we're even close
DIY-HP-LED
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The game changers in action, that's why they got it, because it will make the biggest difference where they are fighting, it's tailor made for this stuff. When their artillery is eliminated, next their strong points and tanks, then your people can advance on what's left. Fuel and logistics are prime targets too, no gas no go and no ammo no shoot.
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Ukrainian counter-battery fire using Western supplied"high precision" artillery destroying howitsers
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Ukrainian counter-battery fire using Western supplied"high precision" artillery destroying howitsers
captainmorgan
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Roger A. Shrubber
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-unveils-additional-sanctions-targeting-russian-media-financing-elit-rcna27780
sanctions are good, but wiping the russian army from the face of the earth would be a lot better....
give China the eastern provinces, (and let them know in advance that they're getting everything east of Irkutsk) give Mongolia and Khazakstan nice little 40 million acre sections, then split the rest up between all the states russia has fucked with forever, Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Georgia...
and we all go on with our lives, with a threat to world peace finally eliminated
sanctions are good, but wiping the russian army from the face of the earth would be a lot better....
give China the eastern provinces, (and let them know in advance that they're getting everything east of Irkutsk) give Mongolia and Khazakstan nice little 40 million acre sections, then split the rest up between all the states russia has fucked with forever, Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Georgia...
and we all go on with our lives, with a threat to world peace finally eliminated
DIY-HP-LED
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Actually 80% of Russians live in Europe west of the Urals and close to Belarus and Ukraine all the other republics and districts have minorities dominated by Russians. With his army destroyed in Ukraine and his economy on the rocks, some places might want a quick way out from under sanctions etc. Vlad showed the way to Russia's partial breakup, with his bullshit separatist movements and clandestine support for rebels, or he created them and imported them from Russia. As I said before, blow a couple of highway and rail bridges over a major river in remote Siberia and they would be cut off from the east for months and their air industry will be increasingly crippled, it ain't the old soviet union. No power like China will directly invade them, but they can control local governments who declare their independence, Putin style... With increased liberty, many people rediscover their cultural roots and revive them.
DIY-HP-LED
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Destroying millions of dollars in enemy equipment on the cheap, both for the drone and the bombs. The Russians park and sleep at night. A big agi-drone carrying 20 or more bombs could take out an entire BTG's vehicles and supplies overnight, in a couple of sorties. It could also carry a hundred hand grenades and shower them on enemy troops like cluster bombs.
HOW UKRAINE USES OBSOLETE SOVIET GRENADES TO DESTROY RUSSIAN TANKS FROM ABOVE || 2022
HOW UKRAINE USES OBSOLETE SOVIET GRENADES TO DESTROY RUSSIAN TANKS FROM ABOVE || 2022
printer
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Stopped where? And so what if the former Soviet countries that are not in Nato get absorbed. So what if they have the freedoms of the average Russian. It is not Nato's business to insure they are democratic countries. They will find they have Russian puppets as leaders and part of their GDP will get skimmed off and will go to Putin's friends. Nothing to have a war over.
But seriously, Minsk accord
"What is the ‘Minsk conundrum’?
Ukraine sees the 2015 agreement as an instrument to re-establish control over the rebel territories.
It wants a ceasefire, control of the Russia-Ukraine border, elections in the Donbas, and a limited devolution of power to the separatists – in that order.
Russia views the deal as obliging Ukraine to grant rebel authorities in Donbas comprehensive autonomy and representation in the central government, effectively giving Moscow the power to veto Kyiv’s foreign policy choices.
Only then would Russia return the Russia-Ukraine border to Kyiv’s control. "
Ukraine-Russia crisis: What is the Minsk agreement?
France’s Macron says the 2015 ceasefire deal between Kyiv and Moscow offers a ‘path’ to peace.
So it all could have been resolved if Ukraine would agree to accepting Moscow's influence. Nothing that rises to the level of having a war, is there? It really was the West that caused the problem. Sending weapons and such. Ideas of Nazi styled democracy. How many billions spent so far, how many billions needed to rebuild Ukraine? And where is this money going to come from? Just due to Putin wanting to put the world back in order before a coup cause a duly installed Russian puppet to run back to Moscow. Just because the Ukrainians gave up their nukes?
printer
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And unlike others that think this will not last long I can not see the Russians leaving while they still have one m,ore shell to lob. After all, the Russians do not concern themselves with pinpoint accuracy, just turn the place into a parking lot.
Roger A. Shrubber
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they're rapidly running out of shells, men to load them, and weapons to fire them with...i don't see this ending in a few days, but i don't see it going into 2023...
DIY-HP-LED
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War and peace are up to the people on the ground and the Russians attacked a sovereign country, not just once either and the war was really going on since 2014. We in the west made our judgements about this conflict and they evolved with the development of the conflict and Ukrainian victories. They survived the onslaught and we are supporting the efforts of a liberal democracy in an existential fight. Policy evolved to the point where we are now giving full throated support and US policy is to destroy the Russian army and ability to project power beyond it's borders. That is our goal and war aim and one we share with the Ukrainians who are spilling the blood. The opinions of Russians mean nothing as they are mere slaves and not free people, and they will die as slaves in Ukraine, this is the cost of not being free.Stopped where? And so what if the former Soviet countries that are not in Nato get absorbed. So what if they have the freedoms of the average Russian. It is not Nato's business to insure they are democratic countries. They will find they have Russian puppets as leaders and part of their GDP will get skimmed off and will go to Putin's friends. Nothing to have a war over.
But seriously, Minsk accord
"What is the ‘Minsk conundrum’?
Ukraine sees the 2015 agreement as an instrument to re-establish control over the rebel territories.
It wants a ceasefire, control of the Russia-Ukraine border, elections in the Donbas, and a limited devolution of power to the separatists – in that order.
Russia views the deal as obliging Ukraine to grant rebel authorities in Donbas comprehensive autonomy and representation in the central government, effectively giving Moscow the power to veto Kyiv’s foreign policy choices.
Only then would Russia return the Russia-Ukraine border to Kyiv’s control. "
Ukraine-Russia crisis: What is the Minsk agreement?
France’s Macron says the 2015 ceasefire deal between Kyiv and Moscow offers a ‘path’ to peace.www.aljazeera.com
So it all could have been resolved if Ukraine would agree to accepting Moscow's influence. Nothing that rises to the level of having a war, is there? It really was the West that caused the problem. Sending weapons and such. Ideas of Nazi styled democracy. How many billions spent so far, how many billions needed to rebuild Ukraine? And where is this money going to come from? Just due to Putin wanting to put the world back in order before a coup cause a duly installed Russian puppet to run back to Moscow. Just because the Ukrainians gave up their nukes?
DIY-HP-LED
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When the Ukrainians are done with them, there won't be much left by summer, between the drones, long range artillery, technology and a guerilla warfare campaign that will be absolutely nuts. In addition to the new troops the Ukrainians are training on a constant basis and some of the smarter ones are being trained on the high tech shit. But the most important factors are morale, training and organization and the sergeants and corporals will shine, the tradesmen of war.
printer
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The Russians have all the Soviet arsenal. They may have tanks gone to rust but I doubt they have run out their supply of cold war ammo. As long as they have men to load the guns they will send them to be slaughtered. They said today that conscription will be 20-30 year old men. After that, 30-40 men, after that 40-50. We will find out tomorrow, or maybe not. It is not like Putin has to level with them. They are nothing to him. It can go on another year or more. The fighting in the area has been going on since 2014. What will magically change people's minds, the cost of war?
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So you are saying Putin can keep the war going on until they win or he accepts defeat. Do you seriously think Putin will accept Russian defeat?
DIY-HP-LED
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Right now the point is to kill the fuckers, not change their minds, we will worry about that later.
DIY-HP-LED
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Well, you can't always get what you want? A least that has been my experience. The idea is to leave him no choice about defeat, in a way some hope he doesn't and will continue to grind Russia into the ground. Next up Belarus and other places, it won't end with Ukraine either, not until Vlad and his bunch are gone, sanctions and constant trouble until then.
DIY-HP-LED
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Some interesting commentary and news about the war. The Ukrainian government numbers of Russians killed is over the top and exceeds the invasion force! He says the Russians have a couple of hundred KIA a day so around a 1000 total casualties daily. A switch blade system includes ten drones so a total of 700 systems should equal around 7000 switch blades, then there are the other drones, military, civilian for recon and adapted to drop bombs. Keep this up and they will have more people flying drones than shooting rifles! The pros are betting on the long range artillery to change the game though.
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FIRST Kamikaze Switchblade Drone VIDEO Released in Ukraine
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FIRST Kamikaze Switchblade Drone VIDEO Released in Ukraine
printer
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You are thinking like a normal human being. You have to think of them as Mob bosses run by one who does not have that many years of life left. If they do not win the war they may lose grip on Russian society. There is no going back. On the flip side they can cut off Russia from the West and only deal with the countries like Iran, China, North Korea. As long as the guys up top tow Putin's line they will not end up in some dark hole or have poison on their lips.