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DIY-HP-LED

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White House says new security assistance to Ukraine meets the country's needs
From CNN's Betsy Klein

The White House defended its decision to send Ukraine new rocket systems that fall short of the 200-mile range Ukrainians requested, saying the US assessed that the 49-mile-range systems were what the country needs at this time in a new phase of battle.

"We have tried to get the Ukrainians exactly what we think they needed to be able to fend off this Russian assault on their country. That worked in the early days, the Ukrainians were able to win the battle for Kyiv and drive the Russians away from their capital, now the conflict has shifted to a different phase in the south and east of the country," deputy national security adviser Jon Finer told CNN’s John Berman.

The new weapons will add to Ukraine’s capability, Finer said, and it “will give them the ability to strike with precision Russian targets on the battlefield.”

As CNN has reported, the Biden administration will be sending Ukraine US-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, known as HIMARS. The HIMARS will be equipped with munitions that will allow Ukraine to launch rockets about 80 kilometers, or 49 miles. That is far less than the maximum range of the systems, which is around 300 kilometers, but far greater than anything Ukraine has been sent to date.

“We believe that this does meet their needs,” Finer said when pressed on Ukraine’s request for longer-range systems.
The US, he added, has asked Ukraine “for assurances that they will not use these systems to strike inside Russia” and instead to defend Ukrainian territory.

Finer also reacted to reaction from Russia Wednesday morning that the US action is “adding fuel to the fire.”
The US, he said, does not negotiate its security systems packages to Ukraine.
“Russia has brought this on itself by launching an invasion into a sovereign country from its territory. So we've been very clear and transparent about what we're going to be doing. It has been effective for the Ukrainians thus far and we will continue,” he said.
He declined to comment on Russian gains in the eastern Donetsk region, calling this a “very difficult phase of fighting.” This phase, Finer predicted, will play out “over a period of weeks and months and perhaps even longer.”
The Russians have made “incremental gains,” he said, but declined to “handicap the play-by-play.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Russia might take it as an existential threat against Russia and use the odd nuke. Always something to keep in mind.
It's pretty much a binary choice, knuckle under to threats, or do what you feel in right and the best course of action. These guys have been a pain in the ass for too long. Though I don't have an issue with dealing with them skillfully, I do believe one day they will collapse on the battlefield and that is where this will be decided, on the battlefield. They know nuclear war is suicide for them and perhaps us too, but perhaps not as much. They are increasingly worried about a western first strike capability using superior technology and most of their missile innovations are centered on trying to maintain MAD.

I'm for answering threats with new and more deadly weapons systems and would make it clear every time they made a nuclear threat more weapons would arrive in Ukraine and the range of those weapons would increase along with their destructive potential. I figure that is what is happening with the UK, the more they threaten them with destruction, the more shit they send to Ukraine.
 

printer

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Dozens of convoys carrying weapons to Donbass described in the United States
Journalists from the American publication Politico described the transfer of ammunition and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) from the western part of the country to the eastern front. The publication noted that during the week "we watched dozens of convoys carrying weapons to the Donbass."

The authors of the article note that infantry fighting vehicles and tanks were seen in the columns, as well as Soviet multiple launch rocket systems, including Grad, Smerch and Uragan. In addition, journalists drew attention to the Tochka-U tactical missile system and S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM), as well as Su-25 attack aircraft, which provided air support.

The article states that hundreds of soldiers were sent to the conflict zone, who traveled in buses, military trucks, off-road vehicles and armored personnel carriers. During the transfer of weapons and equipment, dozens of bridges had to be built to cross the rivers.

Earlier it was reported that the head of the Luhansk region controlled by Kiev , Sergei Gaidai , in an interview with Politico, indicated that the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be able to go on the offensive closer to the middle of this summer. The Ukrainian military also told reporters about the US-supplied M777 howitzers, noting their high accuracy.

The State Duma spoke about the losses of Russia during the special operation

Russia has practically ceased to suffer losses during the special military operation in Ukraine. This is the result of a change in the approach to the conduct of hostilities, said Andrey Kartapolov , former Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, head of the State Duma Defense Committee, RIA Novosti reports .

According to him, the latest figures released by the Russian Ministry of Defense in March are 1,351 dead. “Since then, the data has not been voiced by the Ministry of Defense, and I will explain why. At present, of course, there are wounded, but there are no such number of dead, ”Kartapolov specified.

The deputy added that at the initial stage, when the Russian military entered the territory controlled by Kiev , no one used weapons. “But when they began to shoot, burn, capture, mock them, of course, then the tactics were changed, the approach to the very essence of the operation was changed,” he stressed, noting that now the special operation is carried out strictly according to military science.

Earlier, the shooter of the Ukrainian battalion "Donbass" Yuriy Zakopets with the call sign Kalina, who surrendered in the Luhansk People's Republic, spoke about the losses among the officers. During the special operation, more than 50 officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were killed among his friends and acquaintances, he said. Zakopets added that Kyiv, due to a lack of people, sends mostly inexperienced mobilized fighters to the front line.

The State Duma called the condition for the completion of the special operation in Ukraine
The special operation in Ukraine will end when Kiev is “ripe” for negotiations. This condition was called by the head of the State Duma Defense Committee Andrey Kartapolov , TASS reports .

He also assured that the Donbass will be cleared of the remnants of Ukrainian armed forces in the near future. Kartapolov stressed that the special operation in Ukraine is going according to plan.

In May, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported that Russia would continue the special operation despite Western support for Ukraine.

It became known about the plans of Ukraine to hit the Russian Armed Forces in the middle of summer
Ukraine could strike Russian troops by mid-summer. This was stated in a conversation with Politico by the head of the Lugansk region controlled by Kiev , Sergei Gaidai , and several military men.

According to the publication, it is expected that American and Western weapons will be delivered to the country by this time. At the same time, it is emphasized that for the success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU), air defense systems (AD) are needed. “In recent weeks, Russia has stepped up the use of aviation, striking critical infrastructure and military installations,” the report said.

Earlier, a US administration official said that on the evening of June 1, the country's authorities would officially announce a new multi-million dollar military aid package for Kiev. In particular, it will include American HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems) rocket launchers and long-range missiles for them.

The Kremlin said that the United States is deliberately and diligently adding fuel to the fire. “The US is obviously really taking the line of fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian,” said presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov .
 

printer

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It's pretty much a binary choice, knuckle under to threats, or do what you feel in right and the best course of action. These guys have been a pain in the ass for too long. Though I don't have an issue with dealing with them skillfully, I do believe one day they will collapse on the battlefield and that is where this will be decided, on the battlefield. They know nuclear war is suicide for them and perhaps us too, but perhaps not as much. They are increasingly worried about a western first strike capability using superior technology and most of their missile innovations are centered on trying to maintain MAD.

I'm for answering threats with new and more deadly weapons systems and would make it clear every time they made a nuclear threat more weapons would arrive in Ukraine and the range of those weapons would increase along with their destructive potential. I figure that is what is happening with the UK, the more they threaten them with destruction, the more shit they send to Ukraine.
Binary? BS, there are many shades of grey. Just like using a nuke. Will a tactical nuke going off result in missiles flying every which way? Probably not. So if the crooks in power there really feel threatened it is not like they are a moral bunch.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Binary? BS, there are many shades of grey. Just like using a nuke. Will a tactical nuke going off result in missiles flying every which way? Probably not. So if the crooks in power there really feel threatened it is not like they are a moral bunch.
I did say I had no issue with skillful means, however the overall objective is their elimination as a conventional military threat. I favor the traditional cold war methods of proxy war (we have a real good bet) and clandestine operations along with things like broadcast propaganda. They cannot become a liberal democracy without dissolution IMHO, Russia is an empire of conquest and we have seen native and other peoples rediscover their roots and national identities globally. Even European Russia has this problem and the last time they got close to liberal democracy pieces started coming off like Chechnya. Vlad's first job before he even took over the government was to keep it all together by rigged elections and eliminating opposition or ethnonationalists in the republics.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Intentions are everything, give me what I want or I will nuke you, try to take back anything I have taken and I will nuke you, don't obey my commands and I will nuke you. Be careful supplying my victims, or I will nuke you, convict my generals of war crimes and I will nuke you, seize my ill gotten gains and bank accounts and I will nuke you...

I must say the old soviet red rag sure does inspire people...
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BudmanTX

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Intentions are everything, give me what I want or I will nuke you, try to take back anything I have taken and I will nuke you, don't obey my commands and I will nuke you. Be careful supplying my victims, or I will nuke you, convict my generals of war crimes and I will nuke you, seize my ill gotten gains and bank accounts and I will nuke you...

I must say the old soviet red rag sure does inspire people...
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the ol sham elections that no one believes.....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Turkey is not in a strong position, Sweden and Finland are under no threat from Russia, they can't attack them and if they did, either army would go through them like shit through a goose. Now they have security guarantees from the UK and US until they do eventually join NATO. Russia is fucked as it is and Vlad threw 80% or more of his combat power into Ukraine and I doubt he will get it back out, he will have nothing but junk and old men left. Also they had a good look at the Russian army like everybody else and see how pathetic it is, they were scared of a myth, the legend died the day they invaded Ukraine. They are not alone in losing their fear of Russia and as they grow weaker, fewer will fear them, the courage and example of Ukraine will be contagious. As long as Russia causes trouble for Ukraine, they will make sure that example and courage, is backed up by money and support in other places, for Russia's many enemies, both internally and externally.
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Sweden's prime minister says dialogue with Turkey over NATO membership will continue
From CNN's Radina Gigova in London


Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres arrive for a news conference in Stockholm on June 1.

Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres arrive for a news conference in Stockholm on June 1. (Jonathan Nackstrand/AFP/Getty Images)

Sweden's Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said on Wednesday that dialogue with Turkey regarding Sweden's NATO membership will continue, and Sweden will respond directly to Turkey to "sort out" any possible "misunderstandings."
"We have had discussions, dialogue with Turkey, and this dialogue will continue going forward, and I am looking forward to further constructive meetings together with Turkey in the near future," Andersson said at a news conference in Stockholm after a meeting with UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres.
"Our responses to demands and also questions from Turkey, we will take directly with Turkey and also of course sort out any issues or misunderstandings that there might be," she added.
During their meeting, Andersson and Guterres discussed "Russia's brutal aggression against Ukraine," the security situation in Europe and the humanitarian situation in Ukraine, she said.
"Sweden will continue to pressure on Russia and to be a strong supporter of Ukraine," Andersson said, as the world is "witnessing shocking brutality and attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure."
"Russia must be held accountable for its action and I'm grateful for the secretary-general's clear stance on this," she said.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Just giving security guarantees to Finland and their knowledge that the Russians pose no conventional threat to them now could free up a lot of those howitzers and mortars they have sitting around, never to be used otherwise. Many of these weapons could be sent to Ukraine along with munitions, it should use standard NATO ammo. By the time Russia can become a threat to Finland again, much of today's arms will be obsolete. They were armed to the fucking teeth for a big soviet/Russian invasion and now don't need nearly as much of it as they thought, ditto for Sweden. The principle remains the same as with NATO, every tank and weapons system the Ukrainians destroy is one less they potentially have to deal with. US, UK and others guarantees of security on top of that means they could be sending a lot more heavy stuff to Ukraine designed specifically for defeating Russian arms.

With an arsenal of 700 howitzers, 700 heavy mortars and 100 multiple rocket launchers, Finland has the largest artillery capability in western Europe. Homeland defence willingness against a superior enemy is at 76%, one of the highest rates in Europe.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Vladimir Putin 'could already be DEAD with body double taking his place' - new claims
VLADIMIR PUTIN could already be dead with a body double taking his place, it has sensationally been claimed.

Speculation has been high over the state of the Russian President's health with rumours swirling in recent months. And now an MI6 source has claimed that it is even possible Putin could already be dead.

The insider said that if the Russian leader died his loyal inner circle of cronies would cover it up for as long as possible to cling on to power.

The source added that body doubles could be used for public appearances to keep up the ruse.
we really need a "that's very suspect" emoji....it would be too good to be true that putin is dead....but it would also lead to the question, who is in control now?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The 'fog of war' is what it's called.
I had Navy leadership training in NJROTC and ROTC.
I chose not to participate in war.
I chose not to join the mercenary corp for American corporations.
But I understand how war is waged after 8 years of training for military leadership.
America is losing the Ukraine conflict, and it will negatively affect our currency for decades. As well as American power projection around the globe.
America is being downgraded in importance in the world by the actions of incompetent leadership.
really? that's EXACTLY what is happening in russia, what an enormous coincidence....
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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It is your choice to rely on propaganda only.
The guy has been on a TON of legitimate programs and is considered very knowledgeable.
Of course, the mainstream media hates him and puts out all sort of rubbish about him.
And you are a mainstream media kind of person, aren't you?
LOL
"you are a mainstream media kind of person" tells me all i need to know about you...you find horseshit conspiracy theorist who support your biases and preconceptions and listen to them, because they reinforce your already in place prejudices...
the "mainstream media" has one thing going for them that your blogs and podcasts don't...they have people fact checking them, they have other sources of information either confirming or contradicting what they report, and if they get something wrong, they publicly print retractions, and the correct information...while idiots like joe rogan, steve bannon, and the snake oil salesman you linked just double down on their lies, and tell more lies to support the ones they have already told.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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or, you could step out of the basement for the first time in a couple years and join the Ukrainians.
Or are you scared to be on the winning side?
I have a ground floor office and hobby workshop. The Ukrainians have a waiting list of volunteers for the army and people were trying to pay bribes to the territorials to join after the war. The tens of thousands of foreign volunteers also have waiting lists and careful screening. They have over 5 million fit young men they can call upon if required and there are enough leftover soviet arms in eastern Europe to arm many of them.

I'm retired and living the good life with a great corporate pension, government pensions and free healthcare. You could have free healthcare too, if you and people like you, weren't a racist assholes driven to fascism and stupidity by fear and hate.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Russia might take it as an existential threat against Russia and use the odd nuke. Always something to keep in mind.
i know what i decide carrys no weight, but i've decided to ignore the russian nuclear arsenal...i see mounting proof daily that russians are bullies and braggarts, the entire country seems to lack morals and ethics, they've been immersed in bribery and murder for their entire history...most of them are cowards that only faced down the nazis when they had no other choice, the same as they "faced down" Napoleon...the weather beat the nazis, and the weather beat Napoleon....the russians did little but retreat...something they're very good at, they've had plenty of practice.

so, fuck their nukes, they're cowards who will not have the balls to use them.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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White House says new security assistance to Ukraine meets the country's needs
From CNN's Betsy Klein

The White House defended its decision to send Ukraine new rocket systems that fall short of the 200-mile range Ukrainians requested, saying the US assessed that the 49-mile-range systems were what the country needs at this time in a new phase of battle.

"We have tried to get the Ukrainians exactly what we think they needed to be able to fend off this Russian assault on their country. That worked in the early days, the Ukrainians were able to win the battle for Kyiv and drive the Russians away from their capital, now the conflict has shifted to a different phase in the south and east of the country," deputy national security adviser Jon Finer told CNN’s John Berman.

The new weapons will add to Ukraine’s capability, Finer said, and it “will give them the ability to strike with precision Russian targets on the battlefield.”

As CNN has reported, the Biden administration will be sending Ukraine US-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, known as HIMARS. The HIMARS will be equipped with munitions that will allow Ukraine to launch rockets about 80 kilometers, or 49 miles. That is far less than the maximum range of the systems, which is around 300 kilometers, but far greater than anything Ukraine has been sent to date.

“We believe that this does meet their needs,” Finer said when pressed on Ukraine’s request for longer-range systems.
The US, he added, has asked Ukraine “for assurances that they will not use these systems to strike inside Russia” and instead to defend Ukrainian territory.

Finer also reacted to reaction from Russia Wednesday morning that the US action is “adding fuel to the fire.”
The US, he said, does not negotiate its security systems packages to Ukraine.

He declined to comment on Russian gains in the eastern Donetsk region, calling this a “very difficult phase of fighting.” This phase, Finer predicted, will play out “over a period of weeks and months and perhaps even longer.”
The Russians have made “incremental gains,” he said, but declined to “handicap the play-by-play.”
this whole "the Ukrainians can't make strikes inside russia" thing is motherfucking bullshit...the fucking russians should be getting what they fucking dish out, it's only fair. they can murder civilians indiscriminately, but the Ukrainians can't use highly precise munitions to strike military targets inside russia's borders? why don't you tie their other hand, let them attack the russians with pitchforks and tractors? fucking politicians make me sick
 

DIY-HP-LED

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new person of the turret tossing event comes from

That wasn't an internal explosion so much as being blown to Hell with a very fucking big anti tank mine! Them cheap Chinese tires were flying and there was just shattered scrap metal left in pieces scattered around. The crops of Ukraine will be growing in iron rich soil, between the scrap steel and Russian blood scattered all around in small pieces. The scrap dealers hate this kind of shit, ya can't just hook on to what's left and tow it away!
 

BudmanTX

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That wasn't an internal explosion so much as being blown to Hell with a very fucking big anti tank mine! Them cheap Chinese tires were flying and there was just shattered scrap metal left in pieces scattered around. The crops of Ukraine will be growing in iron rich soil, between the scrap steel and Russian blood scattered all around in small pieces. The scrap dealers hate this kind of shit, ya can't just hook on to what's left and tow it away!
i kinda figured it was prolly an anti personel mine or a tank mine it struck, nice explosion overall though....turret went weeeeeeeee
 

BudmanTX

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this whole "the Ukrainians can't make strikes inside russia" thing is motherfucking bullshit...the fucking russians should be getting what they fucking dish out, it's only fair. they can murder civilians indiscriminately, but the Ukrainians can't use highly precise munitions to strike military targets inside russia's borders? why don't you tie their other hand, let them attack the russians with pitchforks and tractors? fucking politicians make me sick
they can still go after Crimea with those, Savestpol shipping dock, and the Kerch Bridge.....

personally i would give them long range and send a volly right smack dab into Moscow
 
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